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Also from pcgh is that it seems they got the memory configuration of vega. 8Gb on the doom system, so it should be 16gb on mi5. Actually leading to two HBM stacks with 512Gb/s.

Another important part from computerbase:https://www.computerbase.de/2016-12/amd-vega-details/
They say Raja mentioned the Vega samples are just a few weeks old. So anybody who still dreamed of Vega in early Q1 should see, that Vega is really a end of Q2 product. Polaris samples which were shown in december last year were also pretty fresh and then needed more than 6 months to launch. Won't be different with Vega.
 
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Only 10% in DOOM and 4K as absolute best case. So as expected Vega ends up between 1070 and 1080 in average but using 250-300W.
 
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About one thing and the Vega MI25 GPU. MI stands for Machine Intelligence. 6 and 8 stands for FP32 performance. So why the hell the GPU - MI25 has 25 there? There are two possibilities. Either it is 300W 12.5 TFLOPs FP32 GPU, or it is dual GPU, with 12.5 TFLOPs of FP32 compute performance, each. There is also no need for that huge package of the single GPU package if it uses HBM memory.

Few things are not exactly straight here. In my opinion the MI25 is dual GPU card.

Only 10% in DOOM and 4K as absolute best case. So as expected Vega ends up between 1070 and 1080 in average but using 250-300W.
Well, what if it is not 300W like I have pointed out in this very post?

Also 8 GB of HBM suggest its smaller one of the Vega GPUs.
 

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Another important part from computerbase:https://www.computerbase.de/2016-12/amd-vega-details/
They say Raja mentioned the Vega samples are just a few weeks old. So anybody who still dreamed of Vega in early Q1 should see, that Vega is really a end of Q2 product. Polaris samples which were shown in december last year were also pretty fresh and then needed more than 6 months to launch. Won't be different with Vega.
It might be little bit different, since production process was also new (not to say not ready). So they (GF and AMD) will probably need less time to start full production of Vega chips, due to lessons learned from Polaris project
 

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People already claiming things about vega in this thread with certainty, when it took about 5 months after polaris release to really get a better view on what it is capable.
 

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Only 10% in DOOM and 4K as absolute best case. So as expected Vega ends up between 1070 and 1080 in average but using 250-300W.
If it's 10% faster than a 10% overclocked 1080 (1900mhz which is a 10% OC), isn't it ~20% faster than a stock 1080?

Also, where are the power consumption numbers?
 

Glo.

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It's FP16 performance, not FP32.

With Vega having the possibility to pack FP16 this explains the 25 TFLOPs.
http://videocardz.com/63700/exclusive-first-details-about-amd-vega10-and-vega20
http://videocardz.com/63715/amd-vega-and-navi-roadmap

Vega 10 x2 - 300W TDP. Small Nano Radeon Pro - looks like Videocardz was more correct than they thought initially they will be.

MI25 might turn out to be dual GPU, after all.

Hah, Vega 10 has 2048 bit memory controller, so only way to get 32 GB of HBM on this GPU is to put TWO GPUs on one board. MI25 has 32 GB therefore it is dual, 300W GPU, with 25 TFLOPs FP 32 performance, total, and 12.5 TFLOPs, each.
 

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Only 10% in DOOM and 4K as absolute best case. So as expected Vega ends up between 1070 and 1080 in average but using 250-300W.

Best case? What? Did you bother to read the rest of the post, the article, or logic at all? What the journalist saw is the worst case performance.

From the article
Note, however, that first, no Vega-optimized driver was used, but simply a Fiji driver with a little additional debugging work. Second, any view on the graphics card should be denied, so that all the fan slots were taped and there was no airflow in the housing. The graphics card was noticeably noisy and dusted neat hot exhaust air backwards.
 

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About one thing and the Vega MI25 GPU. MI stands for Machine Intelligence. 6 and 8 stands for FP32 performance. So why the hell the GPU - MI25 has 25 there? There are two possibilities. Either it is 300W 12.5 TFLOPs FP32 GPU, or it is dual GPU, with 12.5 TFLOPs of FP32 compute performance, each. There is also no need for that huge package of the single GPU package if it uses HBM memory.

Few things are not exactly straight here. In my opinion the MI25 is dual GPU card.

Well, what if it is not 300W like I have pointed out in this very post?

Also 8 GB of HBM suggest its smaller one of the Vega GPUs.

According to the leak, it's a 12.5 Tflop fp32 card that can do 25 Tflop of fp16 calculations.
 

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Only 10% in DOOM and 4K as absolute best case. So as expected Vega ends up between 1070 and 1080 in average but using 250-300W.
Yep, with throttling card in completely closed case running Doom in debug mode with Fiji drivers.

Let's wait for final card to make conclusions
 

ShintaiDK

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Best case? What? Did you bother to read the rest of the post, the article, or logic at all? What the journalist saw is the worst case performance.

From the article

Yes, I can see the lineup of excuses is long. Not the right drivers, its really a dual card for 300W and so on and on

Vega performs as expected when you look at Polaris.
 

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Vega 10 x2 - 300W TDP. Small Nano Radeon Pro - looks like Videocardz was more correct than they thought initially they will be.

Please read what you post.

They talk about 24 TFLOPs for a single V10 @ 225W ... by this logic MI25 can not be a dual gpu card.
 

Samwell

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It might be little bit different, since production process was also new (not to say not ready). So they (GF and AMD) will probably need less time to start full production of Vega chips, due to lessons learned from Polaris project

It's a way more complicated Chip and bigger chips always need more time. In addition it uses interposer and stacking. This alone makes production time a bit longer. If things run good, then they'll need maybe a small bit less time, but it won't be much. Best case early Q2, but probably later.

It doesn't make sense to talk too much on performance at this point of time. They have very early drivers it's just new silicon.
 

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Best case? What? Did you bother to read the rest of the post, the article, or logic at all? What the journalist saw is the worst case performance.

From the article

Not really worst case either. Certainly unoptimised drivers (Fiji drivers if to believe), and closed case for possible throttling. But also 4K which is to be one of the best scenarios to show AMD product. If they were to show 1080p under DX11, we might see very different behaviour (yes talking about AMD's driver overhead once again).

Anyways, looks quite decent.
 

Glo.

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According to the leak, it's a 12.5 Tflop fp32 card that can do 25 Tflop of fp16 calculations.
Single GPU - yes, that is correct. But naming scheme, and technicalities are not in line. MI25 should stand for Machine Learning 25 TFLOPs of FP32.

Also Vega has 2048 bit memory bus, so only, ONLY way to get 32 GB of HBM2 on single board with those GPUs is to use dual GPU setup.

MI25 is 300W, dual GPU setup. With 25 TFLOPs of FP32.
Please read what you post.

They talk about 24 TFLOPs for a single V10 @ 225W ... by this logic MI25 can not be a dual gpu card.
So how you will the explain potential of 32 GB of HBM?
http://semiaccurate.com/2016/12/12/amd-launches-radeon-instinct-ai-card-lineup/
For memory the MI6 has 16GB, MI8 has 4GB, and the MI25 is again unspecified but likely to be 32GB

If that is the case, then it has to be dual GPU setup.
 

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Well, as the main site article says, if it can get even vaguely close to P100 in the learning markets and stuff then it'll do OK there. That would make it much more credible overall than Fiji ever really managed.

Suppose the compute version of Volta isn't all that far away though, and especially not on the time scale of this thing launching.
 

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