The mainstream and performance tier cards will be filled by a second Vega chip. This chip is known as Vega 11 and is the smallest of the two. I am personally more excited about this as it will be aimed at a wider audience due to its cost and design. The Vega 11 graphics core will be replacing the Polaris 10 graphics core as AMD’s mainstream chip so we can expect pricing to be under $300 US.
...Based on the performance tier of this graphics card, we can expect it to go the the traditional memory route. AMD may end up using GDDR5/X memory if they don’t find the prices of HBM2 too feasible or we can see a single stack design. As with Vega 10 which features 8 GB HBM2 on two stacks, Vega 11 might come with a single HBM2 stack that offers 4 GB VRAM at speeds close to 256 GB/s, along a 1024-bit interface. AMD will have multiple options open to them and a single die stack would mean higher yields and less chances of error during production.
"replacing" polaris 10. holy crap what a bunch of FUD.
Polaris 10 is going to have a very long life in OEM and iGPU sales. Do these guys actually think that AMD is going to replace a $140-240 line of cards with a $300+ line of cards? FUD central, everybody.
That being said, AMD putting out a $300+ tier as well as the $500+ line is certainly welcome, but perhaps overdue.
The Vega 11 graphics core will be replacing the Polaris 10 graphics core as AMD’s mainstream chip so we can expect pricing to be under $300 US.
Where are you getting that Vega 11 will be $300+?
WCCFTech specifically say that they expect it to be below $300:
you're right--I misread the below part.
But we're still left with marketing speech. "below 300" usually means that the product or series of products will be priced at $299 or up to ~299.
Polaris was initially advertised as "up to $250" and that is pretty much where 480 8GB settled rather quickly, if not much cheaper. It is more realistic, these days, to find a good one for ~$230. This pricing still leaves a large gap where a ~$300 Vega 11 doesn't really fit.
...now, that being said, I'll concede that the on-going deep discounts on Polaris GPUs could be a sign of AMD clearing inventory.
If there is a decent architectural improvement going from Polaris to Vega, there could be reason to keep P10 around even with V11 on the market. If the architectural improvement come at a cost of increased die space and a Vega 11 ends up being decently larger than P10, even more reason to keep a full stack with P10 Pro, P10 XT, V11 Pro and V11 XT. 8GB RX 480 is already available for $215, so a $200 480 would fit well with $250 Vega Pro and $299 Vega XT.First off I don't really think the "below $300" qualifies as marketing speech, since it's not coming from AMD, but is rather just some random speculation from WCCFTech.
Also for what it's worth AMD originally claimed that Polaris would cover price points all the way up to $300 (presumably they were thinking of high end aftermarket versions of the RX 480 at the time), this admittedly never really came to fruition though.
Assuming that WCCFTechs specs can be trusted (which is one hell of a long shot), Vega 11 is probably a 44 CU / 2816 shader part (most sensible number compared to the 64/4096 of Vega 10). This would mean that the cutdown version will probably be a 36/2304 part, which is identical to a full Polaris 10 chip. As such I wouldn't be too surprised if AMD decides that they are too close to keep both on the market. On the other hand that would leave a very large gap between the 16/1024 of Polaris 11 and the ~36/2304 of a cutdown Vega 11, so who knows.
If there is a decent architectural improvement going from Polaris to Vega, there could be reason to keep P10 around even with V11 on the market. If the architectural improvement come at a cost of increased die space and a Vega 11 ends up being decently larger than P10, even more reason to keep a full stack with P10 Pro, P10 XT, V11 Pro and V11 XT. 8GB RX 480 is already available for $215, so a $200 480 would fit well with $250 Vega Pro and $299 Vega XT.
I can't believe anybody thought Vega 11 was some mythical "big Vega." Vega 10 is and always will be "big Vega."
I can't believe anybody thought Vega 11 was some mythical "big Vega." Vega 10 is and always will be "big Vega."
Obviously there's more Vega coming, they wouldn't skip another gen without a DP compute monster for the pro sector. Hawaii can only last so long...
Edit: oh, I just ruined that dude's reasonable burn ^
The DP part is 7nm Vega, called Vega 20.
Ugh this is one thing AMD needs to clamp down on. We have had teasers on teasers on teasers about Vega, which really makes the wait seem even longer.
I can't believe anybody thought Vega 11 was some mythical "big Vega." Vega 10 is and always will be "big Vega."
Agreed, these would be OK if we at least knew the release date but not knowing and doing a slow roll like this repeatedly is a little much.Ugh this is one thing AMD needs to clamp down on. We have had teasers on teasers on teasers about Vega, which really makes the wait seem even longer.
I'll eat my words if this is an actual Vega card announcement but if its just another small teaser I'm going to get annoyed.
This stupid naming debate we've had on here of not being able to understand the product lineup is quite depressing of a technical forum.
Despite 11 being a larger number than 10, Polaris 10 is actually a larger, higher end GPU than Polaris 11. Chief Architect & head of AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group confirmed at Capsaicin that the naming scheme is time-based & Polaris 10 had simply been designed before Polaris 11, hence the smaller numerical designation.
Removed.any capture?