Ironic? If you think making your customers livid is ironic than sure. Me? They're walking a fine line with me. Each product they release has a fatal flaw that renders it terrible for my applications.It would be very ironic to tell someone to be prepared for Prey with Radeon Vega, only for AMD to not prepare Vega in time for Prey launch.
That being said...
Ironic? If you think making your customers livid is ironic than sure. Me? They're walking a fine line with me. Each product they release has a fatal flaw that renders it terrible for my applications.
Ryzen 7 doesn't have a decent smt implementation currently, who knows when it will be fixed? As a result, my, multi user 1080p gaming server upgrade is on halt since 3 cores (6 threads) should be enough for that level of gaming, but without smt I'm just left with 3 cores per rig with 2 cores left over for other low commitment server tasks.
Not ideal for me.
Now Vega if it's not released on time, relevant performance, etc. That's a massive blow to amd. They'll alienate a large amount of users of Ryzen 7 and Vega just aren't great at gaming and I won't e surprised if that's how it plays out.
Utter BS. Ryzen's SMT in fact scales BETTER than HT. How could you not know that??
Well there are games where it is broken, but a windows update should fix it as it works correctly in windows 7. But even with that, Ryzen looks very very nice. The 1500/1600 should make excellent cheap gaming cpus and 1700 makes a great productivity and gaming chip too.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-ryzen-cores&num=2With Dota 2's OpenGL results we see it really doesn't scale with the increasing cores exposed... This isn't a surprise but was mainly for adding context to Dota 2's Vulkan performance:
With our Ryzen 7 1700 and 1800X benchmarks, we found very very low Vulkan performance with Dota 2... These CPU core scaling tests seem to indicate why.
With Metro Last Light Redux the OpenGL Linux gaming performance scaled up to four threads before flatlining.
Well there are games where it is broken, but a windows update should fix it as it works correctly in windows 7. But even with that, Ryzen looks very very nice. The 1500/1600 should make excellent cheap gaming cpus and 1700 makes a great productivity and gaming chip too.
There are games where it is broken on intel HT as well, its not an AMD SMT specific phenomenon. Plus as we can see it scales very well in other software, so its not SMT that needs fixing its the application that is using it needs to optimize for it.
Not a valid comparison. Intel hasn't had serious competition for 6-7 years. Nvidia and AMD have been neck-and-neck for years, with only the latest generation breaking that trend.NV is in the place they are right now because they've spend years building a brand and much like Intel prior to Ryzen had a segment of the market all to themselves where there wasn't any direct competition. It will be only a year after the 1070 and 1080 launched that AMD will have any current generation competition.
Because there's a limit to how much people are willing/able to pay. A $999 GPU wouldn't even come close to the sales of a $699 GPU.Why the hell would NV charge less than they can get away with when there's no one else with a competing product?
That's demonstrably false. Nvidia has made some serious turds along the way (although it's been a while since they truly messed up), yet have kept >50% market share at all times based on their brand and marketing. Neither the FX5800 nor AMD beating them soundly with the Radeon 9000 series made serious dents in their market share.If Nvidia is winning its because they've got a history of making good products and have built a good brand while continuing to engineer products that people want to buy.
Utter BS. Ryzen's SMT in fact scales BETTER than HT. How could you not know that??
I need to see not only that, but the Ryzen 7 benches with cores disabled. It just makes me so annoyed that no reviewers have done indepth testing of how the 4 and 6 cores would perform.
I fully expect Vega to be a monster on paper--but with even more of the "Well, if only devs utilized the cool tricks and designs we have in our silicon, it would be that much better!" issues that you often have with AMD. I'm definitely going to be on board with Vega 11 or maybe even 10, but with the understanding that it will mostly likely underperform the 1080ti on launch, with a pile of performance left on the table.
Because there's a limit to how much people are willing/able to pay. A $999 GPU wouldn't even come close to the sales of a $699 GPU.
That's demonstrably false. Nvidia has made some serious turds along the way (although it's been a while since they truly messed up), yet have kept >50% market share at all times based on their brand and marketing.
Not to be annoying, but you're arguing against yourself. In one sentence you say Nvidia is leading due to their brand, in the other due to a history of making good products. While Nvidia has made many good products, they've made just as many bad ones as AMD. And even when they've had good products, AMD has beaten them from time to time (HD 4xxx series, 780 (Ti) vs. 290(X)). But due to huge marketing budgets and long-term successful brand building and PR, they're able to sweep failures under the carpet while bragging about their victories - with idolizing fans screaming for more. AMD, on the other hand, has consistently stumbled in terms of PR, and have suffered a lot of negative PR by being the (vastly weaker, budget-wise) underdog in both the GPU and CPU markets. While that narrative might be compelling when they do well, it acts as an excuse for fans of other brands to piss on them when they do badly. Which is why every single failure of AMDs is front-page news for years, while Nvidia's failures tend to go away quickly. You're right about one thing though: that's the power of a good brand. Unfortunately it has only a tangential (and definitely not a causal) relation to making good products.Thing is though, NVidia owned both of those segments of the market. If you didn't want to buy the $999 NVidia GPU, you could always buy their $699 GPU. Of course that doesn't really address the point, because they could sell the $999 GPU for $9,999 for sake of argument. However, someone ran the numbers and found that about the same number of people would buy at $999 as would at $899 (or possibly even $799) and the sales would only really drop off at $1,099. So if you know that sales won't change by more than a few percent, you charge $999 because it maximizes profit.
If there's competition in the market, then you have to consider what the competition is selling for. If AMD had a GPU comparable in performance, features, etc. to NVidia's $999 GPU selling for $799, then NVidia would lose sales unless their brand alone is worth $200 to consumers.
That's the power of a good brand though. It can get you through a few missteps. They'd have to have a few turds in a row to really hurt their brand. Not every vehicle made by Ford or Chevy is great, but you've still got people who will always go to those brands first when buying a new car. Even people to do more product research still might defer to certain brands because of good past experience, etc.
Will change of course. Even Polaris has higher clock speeds and AMD stated that Vega (with those NCUs) is optimized for higher clock speeds.Not sure about frequencies... final ones or will it change for a production cards?
I'd love for that illustration to be representative rather than illustrative. 2x IPC and 2x clock speed? Yes pleaseWill change of course. Even Polaris has higher clock speeds and AMD stated that Vega (with those NCUs) is optimized for higher clock speeds.
The MI25 is a 12.5 TFLOPS Vega card so i think we'll see the same with a consumer Vega. For those 12.5 TFLOPS Vega needs >=1500MHz.
Right, buyers would really enjoy firebreathing performance in the 3 supported games.I predict Vega will come in a dual-chip version (RX Vega2 @ $899), featuring AMD's new fabric and be 80% faster than the 1080ti at 4k. At nearly the same power...!
Come back in July an applaud me.
Right, buyers would really enjoy firebreathing performance in the 3 supported games.
Right, buyers would really enjoy firebreathing performance in the 3 supported games.