good point. I think that is a chart about software anyway, measuring efficiency that isn't exactly GPU-related.
The same graph shows Fiji outperforming the TitanXP, so I wouldn't read that much into it. Chances are that it's Vega 10 in both the Doom test and this new professional card.
If one is an AMD buyer, this is a big step up from what you can buy today. I don't get why people seem "disappointed" in it.
Other rumours say that Small Vega will have 8GB of HBM2, and if so, I wonder how much it will sell for? I thought HBM was expensive?
Anyway, I don't know why people are so desperate for there to be a higher performance Vega...this thing seems to go toe-to-toe with the 1080 (even edging it out), which itself is 20-30% faster than the Fury X.
It will probably consume less power than the Fury X, so it'll be substantially more efficient.
If one is an AMD buyer, this is a big step up from what you can buy today. I don't get why people seem "disappointed" in it.
So you're telling me there's no room in between a 5.8TFLOP RX 480 and a 12.5TFLOP Fury Next for a "small Vega"? Interesting.
Excellent, excellent post. You speak from a commonality that once ALL video card enthusiasts shared; the desire for increased competition.Because we want competition in the GPU market. If there isn't anything to compete with the Titan XP or "1080Ti", we'll be stuck paying ridiculous prices for top-tier performance. I would think everyone would be hoping for Big Vega to compete with Titan XP and not just with the 1080.
At the enthusiast level, I doubt most care about efficiency. I would much rather have a 300W Titan XP competitor than a 175W 1080 competitor.
Why does this have to be about AMD and Nvidia buyers? Doesn't everyone want more competition in the video card arena?
I see there are some rumours that Small Vega (whether it is 10 or 11 doesn't matter to me) will replace Polaris 10. If so, I hope it gets released soon because I'm currently in the market for a Polaris 10. Also, I wonder if they mean exactly replace? Or, introduce at $299 to complement the existing Polaris 10?
Other rumours say that Small Vega will have 8GB of HBM2, and if so, I wonder how much it will sell for? I thought HBM was expensive?
Because we want competition in the GPU market. If there isn't anything to compete with the Titan XP or "1080Ti", we'll be stuck paying ridiculous prices for top-tier performance. I would think everyone would be hoping for Big Vega to compete with Titan XP and not just with the 1080.
At the enthusiast level, I doubt most care about efficiency. I would much rather have a 300W Titan XP competitor than a 175W 1080 competitor.
imo Vega 11 is the smaller chip and is a refresh of Polaris 10 with Vega GFX9 architecture . This architecture is supposed to bring a new Compute unit design and improvements to efficiency and throughput. AMD seems to be calling it NCU (New Compute unit or Next Compute unit). The Vega NCU combined with 20% higher clocks as seen in Vega 10 and probably G5X should bring a significant improvement in performance for Vega 11 over Polaris 10. imo AMD will be targetting the USD 199 - USD 299 price segment for Vega 11 and its variants (partially cut Vega 11 ). If the perf/sp (IPC improvements) are 15-20% this chip could turn out to be very impressive.
Vega 10 is the big flagship chip and the first GPU with Vega GFX 9 IP . Vega 10 will launch in Q1 2017. Vega 11 is most likely to come in late Q2 2017 (towards mid 2017).
Big and little are, of course, relative. We're probably looking at 7970 and 290 successors respectively, I dont think they're venturing into Fury/GM200 style 600mm2 size dies just yet. They have to save the super die for the mid process node refresh. GP100 being the exception due to the extreme price and total HPC focus, it's almost not even a GPU anymore and more a co-processor. The real question is whether AMD is going to have a 600mm2 die or whether they're showing up to HPC fighting a 600mm2 die with a ~400mm2 die
Excellent, excellent post. You speak from a commonality that once ALL video card enthusiasts shared; the desire for increased competition.
Big and little are, of course, relative. We're probably looking at 7970 and 290 successors respectively, I dont think they're venturing into Fury/GM200 style 600mm2 size dies just yet. They have to save the super die for the mid process node refresh. GP100 being the exception due to the extreme price and total HPC focus, it's almost not even a GPU anymore and more a co-processor. The real question is whether AMD is going to have a 600mm2 die or whether they're showing up to HPC fighting a 600mm2 die with a ~400mm2 die
I'm just speculating, but I think these may be both the high end and mid range (big and little vega) for the Vega/Polaris family, but mid-range relative to the 16nm process node. And if big vega only targets 1080 levels of performance then AMD wont get above mid-range performance versus the market (i.e. nVidia) for the entire generation. I hope that's not the case but it seems like it may come to pass.Does that mean we are looking at mid-range GPUs?
imo Vega 11 is the smaller chip and is a refresh of Polaris 10 with Vega GFX9 architecture . This architecture is supposed to bring a new Compute unit design and improvements to efficiency and throughput. AMD seems to be calling it NCU (New Compute unit or Next Compute unit). The Vega NCU combined with 20% higher clocks as seen in Vega 10 and probably G5X should bring a significant improvement in performance for Vega 11 over Polaris 10. imo AMD will be targetting the USD 199 - USD 299 price segment for Vega 11 and its variants (partially cut Vega 11 ). If the perf/sp (IPC improvements) are 15-20% this chip could turn out to be very impressive.
Vega 10 is the big flagship chip and the first GPU with Vega GFX 9 IP . Vega 10 will launch in Q1 2017. Vega 11 is most likely to come in late Q2 2017 (towards mid 2017).
I've heard rumours like this, but it would surprise me, because it would mean Polaris 10 would be the shortest lived AMD chip ever made. Only a few months on the market before it is replaced!
Besides which, the Polaris 10 currently competes very well with the Nvidia 1060, and in fact, with recent driver updates, is now solidly ahead of it. Makes no sense to replace it now when it is making AMD money.
Personally I think Big Vega will slot in between 1080 and Titan, and Small Vega will be around 1070 level.
You replace if the new is better way better and cheaper in the long run for the same pricepoint. so while I dont think that may happen in this case its a possibility.
still the Vega demoed does 4k as well or better than the 1080.
and they be having a card along the way that address the 1070 market also.
no reason to demo that card btw...
Polaris derivatives are also used by Apple and both big consoles. I'd venture to say AMD has at least reached a minimum of profitable ROI already from Polaris.
It was nice to see that Vega is up and running at the AMD Horizon event today (near the end of presentation). Hopefully, Vega launches around the same time as RyZen
My guess is May. Last year we got the first public demo of Polaris later in January and it released in June. This year we got a demo earlier in December so if thats any indication it seems like we are looking at a May release.Indeed, I do hope a release date is leaked soon. I'm hoping it's Q1 2017, though I guess it could still be June if they are waiting for yields to improve?