Vega/Navi Rumors (Updated)

[Snarf Snarf]

Not your fault but I hate amd and their comparison to older generations that are not the most current. I mean Fiji and Polaris have occurred I don't care about a comparison to an architecture as old as Hawaii...

I think this implies that AMD is positioning this particular Vega card as a 390x replacement. Does this mean that there's a bigger Vega card? We can only hope that big Vega and GP102 go head to head and bring some better perf/$ for everyone.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

30% shader efficiency vs 300 series possible.

0% vs 300 series is also possible. What are you basing this on? The name AMD gave it? Seems like you're falling for marketing hype (to the extent it even exists yet).

 

[flopper]

0% vs 300 series is also possible. What are you basing this on? The name AMD gave it? Seems like you're falling for marketing hype (to the extent it even exists yet).

Plausible guess based upon the 16% efficiency increase for Polaris vs the 300 series and the way they redesigned the GCN to NCU.
Its pure calculation based on whats there as far.
It wont be 16% as Polaris already has it...so is vega just going to have a Polaris efficiency?
I dont think so.
so again, calculated plausible Spock guess.

 

[Headfoot]

0% vs 300 series is also possible. What are you basing this on? The name AMD gave it? Seems like you're falling for marketing hype (to the extent it even exists yet).

There's no chance at all that Vega will have less of an IPC uplift than Polaris did....

 

[happy medium]

0% vs 300 series is also possible. What are you basing this on? The name AMD gave it? Seems like you're falling for marketing hype (to the extent it even exists yet).

yes I would like to see some factual links also.

 

[IllogicalGlory]

There's no chance at all that Vega will have less of an IPC uplift than Polaris did....

I don't think I it will be 0% either. The point is, I have just as much basis for that as for 30% (what I meant was no improvement over Polaris). I don't like people spreading around made up stuff is all. Besides 300 series has 3 generations of GCN, so a blanket statement like that doesn't mean anything.

Until we have an inkling of a what an NCU might be, assigning numbers like 0% or 30% seems like pointless hyping/downplaying.

 

[HurleyBird]

You can be confident that there will be some uplift higher than 0%, but that's about it. NCU might turn out to be something really significant, or not very significant at all.

 

[Glo.]

http://ve.ga

New information on next gen. arch. from AMD is coming in 3 days.

 

[.vodka]

Oh, this is gold.

Poor Volta, unpredictable engine performance, somnum industries... LOL, that video is something!

Looking forward to CES!

 

[flopper]

Vega beats everything on the market and coming

 

[guskline]

Good ad. Very creative. Sounds interesting.

 

[HurleyBird]

If they're positioning Vega against Volta, that sounds like it could be a good thing. Would be silly to do if Vega was below still Pascal. On the other hand, I don't have much trust in RTG after Polaris.

 

[Shmee]

I am looking forward to more vega news. Good stuff.

 

[Mopetar]

I still think a lot of the issues with Polaris came down to problems with the process at GloFo than the design from AMD.

Hopefully they have it sorted for Vega or they're using Samsung because I don't think they'll be able to have a truly competitive product otherwise.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Vega beats everything on the market and coming

And polaris is a $299 980Ti.

 

[guskline]

I still think a lot of the issues with Polaris came down to problems with the process at GloFo than the design from AMD.

Hopefully they have it sorted for Vega or they're using Samsung because I don't think they'll be able to have a truly competitive product otherwise.

True to some degree but Polaris was NEVER meant to be high end only the mid range building block.

I have 2 reference Polaris Sapphire RX 480s in CF in my 6700k rig below.

AMD had the very early power problem which they quickly addressed through drivers prior to the aftermarket cards being released. This was a bad way to start but credit AMD for quickly addressing the issue.

The RX480 is not a great OCer in my book BUT a nice improvement from my previous R9 290s.
Less heat and much less power draw for the performance.

As drivers mature for Polaris RX480, it appears to have drawn even, if not slightly surpassed the GTX1060. Is it competitive with the GTX1070 and GTX 1080? - NO. Not unless you CF like I did and then you have the inherent problems with multi gpu setups. But at the price point it is in one should not expect it to take on the GTX10790/1080.

Nonetheless the RX 480 is a great 1080 gpu and provides decent performance at 1440p also.

I think Vega should be a big setup up and be competitive with the higher end Nvidia cards. It will likely be much more expensive than the RX480.

With this CES Radeon event in @ 3 days, hopefully we will come closer to finding out.

 

[guskline]

I am looking forward to more vega news. Good stuff.

Agree. We have waited quite a long time for this.

Shmee: I did the CF RX 480s as a lark since after selling my CF R9 290s, I thought I was done with CF/SLI.

The price for the second RX480 and the performance gain tipped me over toward doing it together with the rather late release of Vega. I really wonder if Vega will be ready by June of this year.

 

[zinfamous]

And polaris is a $299 980Ti.

Is that something that Polaris was supposed to be?

Man--you must have been SO disappointed!

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Is that something that Polaris was supposed to be?

Man--you must have been SO disappointed!

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/am...ffer-near-980-ti-performance-for-299-usd.html

Since amd said it would be "VR for the masses" I was expecting something a bit ahead of the 290/970 VR minimum spec.

Was disappointed in the price though, a 390 was about 350 euros and an aftermarket 8GB 480 is 280 euros now. So only 20% cheaper. Sure it uses way less power, but with all that hype I was hoping for a big step in price/performance.

 

[Shmee]

Fair enough. I understand the frustration of having no high end parts from AMD, as the 480 is really more mid range, and even the Fury series is now more mid-high range. In a nutshell, they released a new mid range product which effectively replaces the previous high end 390 series, but they have not yet released the high end. Still looking forward to Vega.

The good part of the 480 series does have some benefits over the 390 series: they tend to be a bit cheaper, they tend to OC better, and a few of the 4 GB models can be unlocked to 8 GB RAM! They also use less power of course.

 

[guskline]

Flapdrol1337, you accurately quoted the article about the RX480 but in the quote they also talk about a RX490 then seem to shift back to a RX480.
The Polaris 10 GPU is the successor to the 300-series, which AMD views as its mainstream range. This means Polaris 10 is not the next Fury and Fury X, but rather a 300 series successor, which is up to and including the R9 390X. That equates to the eventual Polaris 10 powered Radeon R9 490X being capable of GTX 980 Ti performance for a price tag in the region of $300-400. Click to expand Polaris Price Performance Comparison The Polaris 10 GPU itself has a maximum TDP of 175W, but AMD claims it will generally consume far less than that. Early benchmarks have the Polaris 10 scoring in the region of 4000 points in 3DMark Fire Strike Ultra, which puts it firmly in the ballpark of the Fury X and the 980 Ti. If AMD can hit the rumoured $300 price point with such a graphics card then it could have an absolute monster on its hands.

This pertains to Firestrike Ultra scores so I ran some tests with Firestrike Ultra on my RX480 below both in single mode and Crossfire and my GTX980TI SC. I caution that the RX480 CF is paired with a 6700k @ 4.6 while the GTX980TI SC is paired with a 4790k @ 4.7 so the physics scores vary somewhat which slightly affects overall score.

My RX 480s are reference (1266 max) while my GTX980TI SC is @100 over reference.

Here are the Firestrike Ultra scores:

RX480 single mode
Overall 2780
Graphics 2736
Physics 14958
Combined 1324

RX480 CF mode
Overall 5258
Graphics 5424
Physics 14877
Combined 2392

GTX980TI SC
Overall 4301
Graphics 4231
Physics 13369
Combined 2272

Though not conclusive, it appears that there is no way a single RX 480 can approach a GTX980TI in Firestrike Ultra without some crazy OC. I think the commentator was mixing up a proposed RX490 (perhaps a dual 480).

In addition, though the prices of GTX980TIs have dropped significantly from original retail they are still in another price bracket than a RX480.

Finally the comment about a Rx480 or RX490 appeared to be an early comment before the chip was released. Also did the commentator mean GTX980 instead of GTX980TI?

 

[Flapdrol1337]

I was only saying flopper should try to not build up hype to unreasonable levels. That's what people did with the 480 and when it launched there was disappointment even though it's a decent product.

 

[dacostafilipe]

Someone found some "hidden" files on http://ve.ga

Source: https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=11252606#post11252606

 

[Krteq]

Nice find

List:

• 8x Capacity/Stack
• 4x Power Efficiency
• 2x Bandwith per Pin
• 2x Peak Throughput per Clock
• High Bandwith Cache + Controller
• Next Generation Compute Engine
• Vega NCU
• Next Generation Pixel Engine
• Draw Stream Binning Rasterizer
• Primitive Shaders
• Rapid Packed Math
• 512TB Virtual Address Space

 

[dacostafilipe]

The question is here ... compared to what?