Vega/Navi Rumors (Updated)

[Snarf Snarf]

AMD still has a huge advantage in DX12 and Vulkan, in fact the new overclocked RX 580's to 1445MHz match the 1070FE in Doom.

So I do expect Vega to win in DX12 and Vulkan titles, at least in most of them even against the 1080TI. I expect it will be about 10% faster in Vulkan and DX12 titles, about 10% slower in DX11 titles. That is my expectation.

In specific extremely optimized titles for either Nvidia or AMD I expect it to lose/win more. But on average I expect it to be about 10-15% faster in Vulkan/DX12 and about 10%-15% slower in DX11.

When Vega launches I'm hoping reviewers do a DX11 vs DX12 on all configurations (Vega w/ Intel and Vega w/ Ryzen.) If the performance lead is there on an all AMD platform I hope their marketing department really drives that point home.

Not sure where all this doom and gloom comes from, historically the more AMD has shouted about a product the more it has disappointed. Outside of 2 very targeted demo's (remember the 3 GHz locked test?) and a non turbo bench run, we saw/knew very little of Ryzen. The Lisa Su run AMD seems a lot more tight lipped when it comes to products, reading her interviews she believes their products will speak for themselves. If the rumors of Prey being the first title from Bethesda to be specifically optimized for AMD are true, I'd put my money on us seeing a joint presentation from the two companies and a paper launch for AMD to follow.

I'm thinking ConsoleLover is pretty close in thinking that big Vega beats 1080ti in DX12, and I'll take that a step further, it will show even better gains in DX12 with Ryzen platform. 15% above 1080ti on Ryzen platform, 8% above on Intel. In DX11 about 10% behind and maybe a little worst on Gameworks, but no less than 15% slower at worst case.

 

[Stiliyan]

Rumor has it that someone I know has his mitts on a couple Vega cards as of today. And that is all I can say about that rumor right now.

That someone being me I can neither confirm or deny.

What is approximately the date on which you will start spreading facts instead of rumors?

 

[unseenmorbidity]

They are easily making $500 profit on each. The production cost is nothing compared to the sales price.

You cannot just ignore research cost. The "production" cost of a piece of software has basically became zero.

I am not sure why you guys are focusing on that though, since I clearly said they aren't selling it at a loss. For that matter, the last thing they would want to do is gain the ire of the governments for breaking anti-trust laws.

This had nothing to do with pricing amd out of the market either.

It had nearly everything to do with that. If it didn't, then they would have just offered this card to people several months ago.

The plan, which was likely formulated the minute they found out AMD wouldn't be competing in the high end GPU market, was to overprice the 1080, and to sit on the 1080ti until AMD was about to release Vega. And then they drop the price and re-saturate the market just before vega comes out, thus maximizing their own profits, while keeping AMD's down. This isn't rocket science.

NVidia absolutely doesn't want AMD to fail. That would mean RTG gets sold off and guess who buys it. Intel.

Do you think NVidia wants to compete with an Intel that has a useful GPU division? NVidia might get some short term gain from being the only show in town, but Intel having better graphics IP and engineers would be a far worse threat to NVidia because Intel could fab the GPUs on their own, better process, devote an R&D budget that would allow for better products, and would absolutely want to get into the lucrative markets that NVidia has carved out for itself in HPC.

You are of course right, except they also don't want AMD to succeed either. They have to balance a fine line between allowing AMD to live, and pushing them completely out of the market.

EDIT: I am not sure if acquiring AMD's RTG would be that simple though. I believe there are some issues with patents or something.

 

[HumblePie]

What is approximately the date on which you will start spreading facts instead of rumors?

When I get the go ahead to do so.

Well technically I got my amd hardware through a high up connection, but he basically told me not to reveal much about the hardware or take any pictures so he doesn't get in trouble at work. So I'm not an "official" tester in that regards bound by an NDA. Still, he hooked me up for free with a bunch of expensive AMD hardware so I am not about to jeopardize that.

I don't think generalities though would be too out of the question I think. Meaning if someone asked if I knew if a specific rumor was true or not I may be able to answer something like that. Just not specifics.

That being said, I'm not privy to AMD business decisions at all. So asking me stuff like when Vega is due out, what the prices are going to be, and other things along those lines I won't have any answers for.

 

[n0x1ous]

When I get the go ahead to do so.

Well technically I got my amd hardware through a high up connection, but he basically told me not to reveal much about the hardware or take any pictures so he doesn't get in trouble at work. So I'm not an "official" tester in that regards bound by an NDA. Still, he hooked me up for free with a bunch of expensive AMD hardware so I am not about to jeopardize that.

I don't think generalities though would be too out of the question I think. Meaning if someone asked if I knew if a specific rumor was true or not I may be able to answer something like that. Just not specifics.

That being said, I'm not privy to AMD business decisions at all. So asking me stuff like when Vega is due out, what the prices are going to be, and other things along those lines I won't have any answers for.

does it come with a radiator?

 

[crisium]

Use a random number generator and give us the frequency it runs at within +/- 20mhz. It'll be wrong, but close enough for us. Can't blame him for the rumour of 1428mhz Vega if the sample he has runs at 1435Mhz, for example.

Unless it's 1200Mhz again. Old news!

 

[Ajay]

Is it faster than your Gigabyte 1080 G1?

 

[HumblePie]

Use a random number generator and give us the frequency it runs at within +/- 20mhz. It'll be wrong, but close enough for us. Can't blame him for the rumour of 1428mhz Vega if the sample he has runs at 1435Mhz, for example.

Is it faster than your Gigabyte 1080 G1?

Haven't even installed or finished building the Ryzen system with parts I was given. I was waiting for another good deal on DDR4. Of course he also hooked me up with 16GB of some DDR4 as well today which was quite unexpected too. Need to order a new case and hard drive next.

PS Ajay....

Both of them are the same speed. 0 mph sitting on my desk. Same speed as my desk too for that matter. I'll have to attach wheels and a motor to get them to race properly

 

[Mr Evil]

...Bethesda [...] optimized...

I chortled slightly as I read this.

...if someone asked if I knew if a specific rumor was true or not I may be able to answer something like that....

Are the LEDs on the side a GPU activity meter, like the ones on the Fiji cards?

 

[tential]

When you're given a Vega gpu I guess all your other hardware you may have had is useless. Must get all new!

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[n0x1ous]

@HumblePie AIO liquidcooled ?? pretty please??

 

[Crumpet]

@HumblePie - perhaps there's one thing you can clear up for us without breaking the NDA.

Has it been delayed indefinitely? /s

 

[Stiliyan]

@HumblePie - perhaps there's one thing you can clear up for us without breaking the NDA.

Has it been delayed indefinitely? /s

Read again his previous posts. I guess the core clock is the most interesting thing as we would what progress made AMD on this. They already have said that they work on it.

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[Harmaaviini]

Can you say anything about the power connectors: Are they black and rectangular? Oh, and is it 8+6?

 

[Crumpet]

Read again his previous posts. I guess the core clock is the most interesting thing as we would what progress made AMD on this. They already have said that they work on it.

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I was joking, making fun of an earlier troll.

The fact that ES are leaking out is very promising.

 

[HumblePie]

People!! The new hardware is sitting all in a box on my desk here at work with me. I have nothing setup at all.

@HumblePie - perhaps there's one thing you can clear up for us without breaking the NDA.

Has it been delayed indefinitely? /s

From my source. No. Still Q2 expected release. That I was told.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

I chortled slightly as I read this.

It actually excites me that a Bethesda game will be on a modern engine and not run like pants

@HumblePie are you able to say if this is production final spin silicon or just an engineering sample?

 

[HumblePie]

It actually excites me that a Bethesda game will be on a modern engine and not run like pants

@HumblePie are you able to say if this is production final spin silicon or just an engineering sample?

I don't know that. I do know it was used in a demo recently though.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

I don't know that. I do know it was used in a demo recently though.

Thanks, now I'm going to be refreshing this thread every 5 minutes for days until you get that system up and running

 

[HumblePie]

Thanks, now I'm going to be refreshing this thread every 5 minutes for days until you get that system up and running

LOL, it didn't come in any retail like packaging. It's just a plain padded cardboard box. I don't even have drivers for the darn things either at the moment that I can tell. Going to see if I can get what I need on a thumbdrive or something.

Again I can't release any real details as I am treating this like an NDA, despite not having to sign an NDA. But I might have a bit more wiggle room for generalities though that an NDA may prevent.

 

[HumblePie]

Can you say anything about the power connectors: Are they black and rectangular? Oh, and is it 8+6?

Friend told me not to take any pictures of them. So I would assume that talking about physical connectors would be a no go.

 

[SpaceBeer]

I can't believe such a big company allows its stuff to give production samples to someone who doesn't work, not just in AMD, but even on that specific project. Especially if it is such a big and important project. Totally unprofessional.

I can't wait to find out more about Vega, but I think you shouldn't reveal any details here.

 

[Glo.]

If the GPU is from recent demos then it has 8+6 pin connectors.

I do not have a specific question right now.

 

[sandorski]

Friend told me not to take any pictures of them. So I would assume that talking about physical connectors would be a no go.

On a scale of 1 to 10. where 1 is a Start point and 10 is an End point, how would you rate these cards?

 

[zinfamous]

Nvidia is a better run company than Intel, which in turn is better than AMD. Plus Intel doesn't know graphics.

All their process advantage did not help them outside of their core competency. Heck, Nvidia has the market for Deep Learning and Automobiles that neither AMD or Intel has. AMD is nowhere at HPC either. Xeon Phi and Xeon is better there.

Other points: Yes it's possible that AMD knew what Nvidia was going to do with Ti and still be able to do little about it. If they were having some problems and that's the best they could do. Unless your product is decisively better you have to somewhat hope the worst doesn't happen. Which may not be the case here.

nVidia makes one thing, so that helps.