I think its laughable that you would need to know how to plan, develop, and execute a product, just to know AMD does it much slower than Nvidia and that's my entire point.
Its more than obvious that AMD's Vega is at least 11 months behind the high end gpu tech curve and needs a product that represents a NEW IMPROVED mid 2017 high end, not just something that matches last years Pascal performance.
AMD needs to be 20 to 30% faster than "last years" high end Pascal to catch up, thats what I'm saying, not just " as good as" last years 2016's high end Pascal.
If the New Vega gpu just matches last years Pascal tech, they should, and I expect AMD to price it very very cheap, mabe like $549.99 for big Vega.
I mean at least make it a "worth the wait" price, otherwise for $150 more ,most people could have bought the same performance from a gtx1080ti for 3 or 4 months now.
If I were a Fury/ r9 290/390 owner for the past 2 or 3 years and was waiting for the new high end AMD card for over a year now instead of buying a gtx1080 ,I would be pretty pissed if they just offered me a card 5% faster than a gtx1080 for $75 less.
That would suck!
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For $150 more? No.... For $1000+ more. Because you're not factoring in Gsync.
Do you not use Gsync?
I would rather have no card than a 1080Ti without Gsync. I'm dead serious. If you gave me a 1080Ti without a Gsync monitior and wouldn't let me sell the 1080Ti, I'd throw it away. I'm not using some useless monitor without Async. Pointless. To me anyway.
Big Vega + Freesync Monitor is less than the Gsync monitor by itself. So that's why SOME people are willing to wait.
I'm not spending $1000+ on a monitor I won't use in 2018 when 4K 144hz is available.
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This is the classic issue of thinking it's Nvidia VS AMD rather than thinking of a business of simply trying to maximize profits. This isn't some football game or something where you root for a team it's business. Nvidia and AMD compete with COMPLETELY different things at the highend and get COMPLETELY different consumers.
Nvidia will get those willing to pay a premium to be on the cutting edge
AMD will get those who want a budget conscious ecosystem
Yet people will cry about it and make every excuse for why Nvidia is a better "price/perf" deal or whatever. That's the saddest way to talk about Nvidia's strengths because it completely misses the picture that Nvidia is FIRST to market. Among other things. A product is it's WHOLE. The 1080Ti is a great product.
But honestly, if you're a truly intelligent person, you won't cross shop them (For those who can only have 1.... Obviously some people will pick up both for fun or whatever).
Those who want to be on the cutting edge and can afford to will pick up the high end Nvidia cards and Gsync monitors
Those who want to be on the cutting edge, but can't afford to and only want to pretend to will have Nvidia cards without Gsync monitors.
Those who want to be budget conscious and are willing to wait (for everything... thanks amd) will get AMD + Freeysnc monitors.
And those poor souls who decide to just get an AMD card without freesync?
Not a gaming life I want to live....