Vega/Navi Rumors (Updated)

[caswow]

2×8-pin power, up to 375 W, for 13 TFLOPS: not sure whether over-specced like after-market products, or actual power requirements.

the card he held in his hand was 1x8 and 1x6 Pin.

 

[CatMerc]

I made this after feeling Deja Vu with the "Frontier Edition" naming

 

[Bacon1]

the card he held in his hand was 1x8 and 1x6 Pin.

Are you sure?

The images are all 2x8pin

They have a new page up too:

http://radeon.com/en-us/vega-architecture/

 

[Maverick177]

So Raja doesnt want to state Vega's actual performance. I'm gonna take a guess and say big Vega is 10% slower than GP102 and costs $600.

Edit: If this is the case then I'm vastly disappointed. Wonder how they will react if review shows Vega is slower than GP102 and how misleading the bs "Poor Volta" was.

 

[kush120]

I like the look of Vega. I hope the Rx version will have OEM versions though and not like the fury with only a reference design.

 

[Bouowmx]

I watched the stream, and I personally recall seeing 1×6-pin and 1×8-pin.

 

[caswow]

Are you sure?

The images are all 2x8pin

They have a new page up too:

http://radeon.com/en-us/vega-architecture/

100% sure. i had to rewind because i thought i was seeing not right. he clearly held a card with 8 + 6 config.

 

[Valantar]

100% sure. i had to rewind because i thought i was seeing not right. he clearly held a card with 8 + 6 config.

Well, given that all the press and web images are 2x8-pin, wouldn't that point towards the demo card being a pre-production "show card" rather than a fully finished one?

 

[caswow]

Well, given that all the press and web images are 2x8-pin, wouldn't that point towards the demo card being a pre-production "show card" rather than a fully finished one?

i guess they copy pasted the illustration without changing anything.

 

[Malogeek]

A Pro card will likely be clocked lower as well. I don't think that tells us necessarily what the consumer Halo part will have.

Heck my 970 has 8+6.

 

[Crumpet]

I made this after feeling Deja Vu with the "Frontier Edition" naming

2 completely different things... One is effectively a premium overclocked reference card, the other is a new step in direction of machine learning, aka, stepping into a new frontier.

 

[Maverick177]

Btw this is Gp102 running Sniper Elite 4 opening scene, same scene Vega was running: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wFdGFMPp3Y&feature=youtu.be&t=43s

Vega is clearly behind Gp102, at least in this game, which is ironically an AMD title.

AMA on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6bklro/we_are_radeon_technologies_group_at_amd_and_were/

 

[PhonakV30]

Btw this is Gp102 running Sniper Elite 4 opening scene, same scene Vega was running: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wFdGFMPp3Y&feature=youtu.be&t=43s

Vega is clearly behind Gp102, at least in this game, which is ironically an AMD title.

AMA on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6bklro/we_are_radeon_technologies_group_at_amd_and_were/

Vega with Ryzen vs 1080Ti with Core i7-7700K. How much different?

 

[majord]

http://pro.radeon.com/en-us/vega-frontier-edition/

Only 90gp/s fill rate? Doesn't seem to match spFP rate..

 

[krumme]

Agree. Doesnt look promising to me either. Contrary to ryzen leaks before this is not good. Damn. We could use some competition. Not a new fury card at a high price.

 

[Bacon1]

100% sure. i had to rewind because i thought i was seeing not right. he clearly held a card with 8 + 6 config.

Yep!

Interesting I missed that as the image on the slide and website all have 2x8.

 

[OatisCampbell]

So Raja doesnt want to state Vega's actual performance. I'm gonna take a guess and say big Vega is 10% slower than GP102 and costs $600.

Edit: If this is the case then I'm vastly disappointed. Wonder how they will react if review shows Vega is slower than GP102 and how misleading the bs "Poor Volta" was.

I'd call that a big win for everyone. A card that splits the difference between 1080 and 1080Ti for a price that splits the difference as well? And you can get a cheaper Freesync monitor to save another couple hundred?

You can buy a good gaming CPU for $300 saved on a Ti/GSync, that's worth doing.

Might make their "Poor Volta" untrue, but good news for consumers. I care more about what I can buy for my money than the marketing speak.

 

[tviceman]

So Raja doesnt want to state Vega's actual performance. I'm gonna take a guess and say big Vega is 10% slower than GP102 and costs $600.

Edit: If this is the case then I'm vastly disappointed. Wonder how they will react if review shows Vega is slower than GP102 and how misleading the bs "Poor Volta" was.

It looks like Vega will be 10% slower than 1080 TI in titles skewed heavily in AMD's favor like Sniper Elite, which means it'll be 20% slower in a much larger swath of titles. If this ends up the case, it'll average 15+% slower than 1080 TI. I'm still curious as to the die size and power consumption metrics since neither was discussed. All in all though, as a halo gaming card it's too late and going to be VERY short lived with Volta likely hitting in Q4/Q1 next ear.

 

[tviceman]

Yep!

Interesting I missed that as the image on the slide and website all have 2x8.

It appears to me we have AMD's wooden screw fiasco in front of us. It's more likely the card Raja held was a mock up than all the slides and circulating info courtesy of AMD is false in regards to the PCIe connectors.

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[OatisCampbell]

Wow, dude, chill out.

I don't have an ounce of contempt for the general public here (or on any other forum/site I frequent - if I did, I wouldn't stay), but I've been here long enough to know that there are quite a few screwballs around, and of many different kinds. That's just humanity for you. I do have some odd ideas of my own, when compared to the general public here, and don't consider that a problem at all. It's what makes for interesting discussion. Still, I (and many/most others here, from my experience) spend a bit of our time trying to guide others a bit. That's what forums are for, after all.

Also, contempt for AMD? What on earth are you on about? Are you seriously denying that AMD has (and has had) that kind of reputation? If so, how do you explain Nvidia's history of dominating marketshare even in times when they have had clearly inferior products? I mean, I could have added "(undeserved)" into that sentence, but for some reason I expect the people reading my posts to be able to tell the difference between commenting on a phenomenon that exists in society and expressing the same as an opinion. A clue: I was doing the first, not the latter. Now please shut up, and leave your straw men lying where they are. Or just work on your reading comprehension.

I'm not angry with you, in spite of your less than friendly discourse at times.

I simply don't share your opinion there's some vast market of people buying $500 video cards who have no idea why they need (or don't need) one. $500 is a fair amount of money for most people, I can't believe there are a lot of people throwing it away without any knowledge of what they're doing.

Last, yes, I know some ATi parts have had public opinion issues, but some NVIDIA parts have as well. I'll judge Vega on what it is, not indvidual past cards.

I also won't judge them failures if their halo part is CF, there can only be one fastest chip in any market. NV has a lot more cash to chase that. AMD can compete on price/performance and still gain marketshare. I think their biggest problem now is lack of parts people can get excited about.

470s/480s are great, but the 1080p market has been a yawn for a lot of years.

 

[krumme]

I'd call that a big win for everyone. A card that splits the difference between 1080 and 1080Ti for a price that splits the difference as well? And you can get a cheaper Freesync monitor to save another couple hundred?

You can buy a good gaming CPU for $300 saved on a Ti/GSync, that's worth doing.

Might make their "Poor Volta" untrue, but good news for consumers. I care more about what I can buy for my money than the marketing speak.

Yeaa. We are perhaps forced to buy it even if it isnt such good value because nvidia tries to lock us out with their stupid expensive gsynch and a 1080ti that isnt really the most futureproof dx12 gpu to say the least. What a mess. Volta might bring some more modern capability into the nv portfolio and do it with a perf and efficiency that outweighs the gsynch tax and horrendeous monitor prison.

Meh. Lets hope for better perf and lower prices. 1080ti minus 10% is okey as long as its 500 usd.

 

[CatMerc]

That's what Raja said in this interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwcUMZLvjYw

You misunderstood him. It will have a benefit regardless, but the real point is that games can be free to use larger data sets now.

 

[Bacon1]

Btw this is Gp102 running Sniper Elite 4 opening scene, same scene Vega was running: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wFdGFMPp3Y&feature=youtu.be&t=43s

Vega is clearly behind Gp102, at least in this game, which is ironically an AMD title.

They approached at different angles so hard to compare, but when they both are at the same place the FPS is actually very similar.

https://youtu.be/590h3XIUfHg

And that is against a 1962MHz 1080 Ti! Boost is under 1600 MHz. So its an OC'd 1080 Ti vs Vega and Vega is performing very well.

 

[Paratus]

I'd call that a big win for everyone. A card that splits the difference between 1080 and 1080Ti for a price that splits the difference as well? And you can get a cheaper Freesync monitor to save another couple hundred?

You can buy a good gaming CPU for $300 saved on a Ti/GSync, that's worth doing.

Might make their "Poor Volta" untrue, but good news for consumers. I care more about what I can buy for my money than the marketing speak.

I'll be disappointed if it's not at least on par with the TI. However a good price could help that disappointment a la the 4870.

Plus in 2 years it'll be faster than the 1080Ti anyway.

 

[Crumpet]

Reddit is already awash with people believing that Sniper Elite demo was run on 2gb vram.

Fml.