Does your store do preorders? Anyone calling to try to preorder Vega? Obviously it's too early to do so but still curious to see what the early demand is
Does your store do preorders? Anyone calling to try to preorder Vega? Obviously it's too early to do so but still curious to see what the early demand isThe recent crypto boom has me worried about this release now too. I've been getting calls everyday at our shop with miners looking to gobble up every RX 480 and 470 they can get their hands on. It appears that there is an actual shortage and the retail prices are going to be 30-40% higher than MSRP for a while. If the capacity they have to make GPU's can't satisfy a small surge in sales, it leaves me really worried that if Vega is a good miner that these things are going to be a repeat of Hawaii all over again and a lot of gamers will end up buying 1080ti's that are easier to get a hold of.
A shortage due to miners isn't alone enough to conclude that they don't have the capacity to meet demand - there are far more factors than immediate demand that apply. How long will demand last? For a mining surge, not long. So it's better to underproduce than overproduce and be left with loads of unsellable stock. Not to mention delivery times: to most of the world, shipping times from east Asian assembly plants are in the vicinity of three weeks. That's a long lead time for increasing production. For all they know, the boom might be over before the cards actually hit store shelves. And so on, and so on. This isn't a "Oh, we'll just turn it up to 11 then" situation.The recent crypto boom has me worried about this release now too. I've been getting calls everyday at our shop with miners looking to gobble up every RX 480 and 470 they can get their hands on. It appears that there is an actual shortage and the retail prices are going to be 30-40% higher than MSRP for a while. If the capacity they have to make GPU's can't satisfy a small surge in sales, it leaves me really worried that if Vega is a good miner that these things are going to be a repeat of Hawaii all over again and a lot of gamers will end up buying 1080ti's that are easier to get a hold of.
Does your store do preorders? Anyone calling to try to preorder Vega? Obviously it's too early to do so but still curious to see what the early demand is
A shortage due to miners isn't alone enough to conclude that they don't have the capacity to meet demand - there are far more factors than immediate demand that apply. How long will demand last? For a mining surge, not long. So it's better to underproduce than overproduce and be left with loads of unsellable stock. Not to mention delivery times: to most of the world, shipping times from east Asian assembly plants are in the vicinity of three weeks. That's a long lead time for increasing production. For all they know, the boom might be over before the cards actually hit store shelves. And so on, and so on. This isn't a "Oh, we'll just turn it up to 11 then" situation.
I have a feeling that you might be right - AMD's mining strength comes from Radeons having a kind of "brute force" approach to performance, while Nvidia has a lot of tricks and tweaks giving them better perf/flop.The real concern comes from the unknown right now, will Vega 10 be a mining power house? If it is, I fully expect a repeat of the Hawaii launch where AMD won't be able to keep up with the demand for the cards and we'll see price gouging all over the retail landscape. However, I am hoping that the changes being made to Vega (big clock speed jump, HBCC, and Tiled Rasterizer) will have little effect on hash rate of these cards leaving the RX 400-500 series cards as the de facto MH/$ kings. I say I'm worried about capacity because the RX 500 series isn't exactly a massive change over the 400 series and thus shouldn't have yield issues. Either AMD has preemptively shifted manufacturing capacity to Vega line to build up stock for the impending launch, or GF's foundries are being tied up by other things (Threadripper, Epyc, Vega FE)
it leaves me really worried that if Vega is a good miner that these things are going to be a repeat of Hawaii all over again and a lot of gamers will end up buying 1080ti's that are easier to get a hold of.
GTX 780 was going for less than R9 290X when I was buying.
That's the same reason I ended up with a 780ti instead of a 290x. Simply wasn't willing to pay $700+ for a 290x compared to around $530ish I think I paid for the 780ti on sale. Massively hoping vega delivers and is available. This 1070 just isn't enough for 1440p/144hz.And potentially cheaper. That's how I got on the NV boat. GTX 780 was going for less than R9 290X when I was buying.
Wasn't the 290 not 290x the 780 competitor? Had a MSRP of only $400 vs $550/500 on 290x/780.
That's the same reason I ended up with a 780ti instead of a 290x. Simply wasn't willing to pay $700+ for a 290x compared to around $530ish I think I paid for the 780ti on sale. Massively hoping vega delivers and is available. This 1070 just isn't enough for 1440p/144hz.
Wasn't the 290 not 290x the 780 competitor? Had a MSRP of only $400 vs $550/500 on 290x/780.
None of that mattered when stores (even online retailers) were gouging through the roof for AMD cards.
Correct. I remember when I was in the market for another video card after my HD 7950, and the 290 and 290X custom cards were nowhere to be found. Only the terrible reference cards were available. Not only that, BTC mining was in full effect, and so was price gouging. That being said, an aftermarket 780 was very enticing, especially when a lot of them could hit 1150-1200Mhz on the core bringing them ever so close to the stock 780 Ti. We all know how Kepler aged, but back then, they performed very well, and even better when overclocked. There was only a couple 290X's on this forum that could keep up with my 780 @ 1400MHz+
Back in the days when Balla and Silverforce were very active, just to name a few. Ahh, those were the days.
Back in the days when Balla and Silverforce were very active, just to name a few. Ahh, those were the days.
Ya I guess I'm in the camp of its painfully obvious what Vega 10 performance is going to be about and whether you want one or not. If you waited this long to see Vega 10 performance only to buy a gtx 1080ti you're a hilarious human being who should have never played this waiting game.Given that no one really knows what to expect, most people are in the wait and see camp from what I have gathered. Most of the people willing to wait for Vega are looking for that or a 1080ti and are usually pretty well informed consumers and follow the GPU news pretty regularly. The amount of people who just grabbed a 1080 or a 1070 and will ride it out to Volta is actually pretty high (in regards to my customers) and a lot of them won't even consider Radeon a viable alternative.
The real concern comes from the unknown right now, will Vega 10 be a mining power house? If it is, I fully expect a repeat of the Hawaii launch where AMD won't be able to keep up with the demand for the cards and we'll see price gouging all over the retail landscape. However, I am hoping that the changes being made to Vega (big clock speed jump, HBCC, and Tiled Rasterizer) will have little effect on hash rate of these cards leaving the RX 400-500 series cards as the de facto MH/$ kings. I say I'm worried about capacity because the RX 500 series isn't exactly a massive change over the 400 series and thus shouldn't have yield issues. Either AMD has preemptively shifted manufacturing capacity to Vega line to build up stock for the impending launch, or GF's foundries are being tied up by other things (Threadripper, Epyc, Vega FE)
My point was you said you bought a cheaper 780 than a 290x... but even MSRP (ignoring miner's buying them all) the 290x is $550 vs $500 on the 780. It was the 290 that was MSRP of $400 and the same speed as the 780.
Oh, that was a typo on my behalf, since I meant 290, not the 290X. My 780 Lightning cost less than the MSI 290 TwinFZR (or however it was written) back then.
The gouging was real back then!
Indeed. I remember some epic debates about the 290 vs 780.
Because then we actually had choices.Indeed. I remember some epic debates about the 290 vs 780.
Now, we're getting screwed into an "ecosystem". That's why I'm getting Vega, because Vega even $100 more expensive than a GTX 1080Ti is "cheaper" as a package deal. I wish it was completely unlocked and Nvidia and AMD competed.
Yeah I really can't believe that Nvidia doesn't get enough "hate" from reviewers for not supporting Adaptive Sync. It's a bloody free standard! Every GPU they release that doesn't support an display standard should be blasted as a negative. Why should you have to pay them an extra $100-300 for the same features.
The first maybe 'open' (bad word here) implementation of the adaptive sync is arguably an AMD extension rather than an industry standard.
Adaptive-Sync is a proven and widely adopted technology. The technology has been a standard component of VESA’s embedded DisplayPort (eDP™) specification since its initial rollout in 2009. As a result, Adaptive-Sync technology is already incorporated into many of the building block components for displays that rely on eDP for internal video signaling. Newly introduced to the DisplayPort 1.2a specification for external displays, this technology is now formally known as DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync.
What are you talking about?
https://www.vesa.org/news/vesa-adds-adaptive-sync-to-popular-displayport-video-standard/
Nvidia had no issues supporting it in their laptops and calling it GSync there. I'm not talking about Freesync which covers Displayport as well as HDMI and other features like LFC.
I'm talking about the displayport standard that Nvidia has ignored for years so they can force you to buy a more expensive monitor where they get a solid $100 or more profit off and lock you into their hardware.
Almost every monitor you can buy now will have adaptive sync.
That's why so many people are holding out for Vega since it will support their monitor.