Vega/Navi Rumors (Updated)

[french toast]

Somebody got a toy @ HardOCP

Looks pretty cheap compared to other Vega cards, hopefully it is.

 

[n0x1ous]

Looks pretty cheap compared to other Vega cards, hopefully it is.

maybe thats the XT and the XTX with AIO will have a fancier shroud like the FE

 

[Magic Hate Ball]

maybe thats the XT and the XTX with AIO will have a fancier shroud like the FE

I think it's a generic reference card.

I have a feeling there'll be a premium "limited edition" BS thing going on with that fold-out self-lit box they teased.

EDIT: Confirmed by Kyle @ HardOCP to be a Engineering Sample.

 

[beginner99]

Somebody got a toy @ HardOCP

looks huge especially depth. like almost 3-slot. Probably not but doesn't bode well for power use.

 

[caswow]

looks huge especially depth. like almost 3-slot. Probably not but doesn't bode well for power use.

i only see two slots

 

[french toast]

Pair one of those bad boys up with an overclocked skylake x and you would certainly cut down on the heating bills this Christmas.

 

[Veradun]

And that could actually be the problem.

Nope.

looks huge especially depth. like almost 3-slot. Probably not but doesn't bode well for power use.

Nope.

 

[OatisCampbell]

These are the same factors that were to sell AMD cards in the past, but they have not moved marketshare much. They need something disruptive, and this doesn't seem to be it.

Do they?

Or do they just need to sell 30-40% of the $500 price point market for a year for this to be profitable? 20% of it?

Again, AMD is a business and recouping investment for the firm and making some money to show the shareholders is all they care about.

 

[n0x1ous]

Kyle Bennett - "ASUS hand delivered this card to my house on Saturday morning, and took it with them Saturday evening. That all said, this card was an engineering sample but I was specifically told that it was representative of retail product. So basically a "reference" card built outside of mass production."

 

[Muhammed]

Yep 1080 level confirmed at this point:

Why the 1080Ti? shouldn't this be compared to the 1080 (the way AMD did it)?
Because I wanted to. AMD wanted me to use a 1080.

https://hardforum.com/threads/amd-r...i-g-sync-coming-soon.1940447/#post-1043127153

 

[OatisCampbell]

Somebody got a toy @ HardOCP

Interesting that Kyle is going along with the "blind freesync vs gsync" methodology AMD has been showing, albeit with a 1080Ti.
1. With the counter off and his "playable only" settings, he could probably compare to that Volta making an odd appearance in this thread.
2. Wonder if the Vega review kits and AMD themselves are asking sampled sites to follow this test procedure to shift focus from raw numbers to Freesync savings.
3. Sad to see that rectangle blower box. From what we've seen with FE, the Vega is asking for an open air at least or a AIO at best. Anyone who said "OMFnGodxorz teh 1080 cooler is a crime NV pulled with all of us." should start thinking some even more overblown reaction to this because that HSF doesn't look good stacked against NVs chiseled aluminum look. (and Vega has been no 1080 in terms of heat and clocks under that cooler)

I guess thee AIO was too much to hope for at the price point they had to hit. :-(

 

[William Gaatjes]

Oh , don't worry. AMD (RTG) always had to do some catching up on the driver side being constraint and all.
Still working hard to get in a good position. Vega will not be different.
Vega seems to have double the amount of transistors compared to fury.
Those cannot all be spend in the new NCU alone.
I have a strong gut feeling this VEGA actually will be a 2 in one.
5 days that all will be revealed, maybe, but not on the raw fps front.
Give it 2 months more.

 

[railven]

Kyle Bennett - "ASUS hand delivered this card to my house on Saturday morning, and took it with them Saturday evening. That all said, this card was an engineering sample but I was specifically told that it was representative of retail product. So basically a "reference" card built outside of mass production."

Does that mean the review is already done? Or was this just a "proof it exists" kind of thing?

The plot thickens! We're so close! I wanna see them numbers! Regardless the results, this has been one hell of a ride.

EDIT:

Yep 1080 level confirmed at this point:


https://hardforum.com/threads/amd-r...i-g-sync-coming-soon.1940447/#post-1043127153

Missed this follow up. Guess the review is done? This is definitely going to be a paper launch.

 

[Elixer]

https://videocardz.com/71090/amd-radeon-rx-vega-3dmark-fire-strike-performance

Benchmarker is Thegametechnician, Jason Evangelho who works for Radeon in their marketing department.

So, basically, slightly better than what we saw for Vega FE?
(not exactly the same, but close... http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12987144?_ga=2.232791959.883445742.1498655120-1193447733.1498655120

 

[IEC]

So, basically, slightly better than what we saw for Vega FE?
(not exactly the same, but close... http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12987144?_ga=2.232791959.883445742.1498655120-1193447733.1498655120

If I had to venture a guess based on the small sample of 3, that means reference RX Vega at stock about matches an aftermarket GTX 1080, and on quiet mode falls between an aftermarket GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 in performance.

The real question now is price.

 

[Despoiler]

Vega is as bad for non-gaming market as it is for gaming. Vega is to late to the market and the competition is disrupting the market with a big bang product.



That isnt even close to the truth. nVidia is pushing much more boundries. Pascal is superior to Polaris in every way. Maxwell is superior to Hawaii and Fiji. Fermi was a powerhouse with an architecture copied by AMD. There are only a few generations where AMD has pushed more boundries and delivered a better product.

Almost a P6000 for @1100 dollars. Sounds terrible
http://www.tomshardware.de/vega-ben...tungsaufnahme-gaming,testberichte-242375.html

If you want to go up to MI25 AMD gives you WAY more FLOPs/dollar than Volta. It's actually comical that for the price of a DGX-1 AMD will give you 3 PETAFLOPS. All of this is truly, truly terrible.
https://exxactcorp.com/blog/digging...instinct-gpus-miopen-gpu-accelerated-library/

BTW What features does Pascal have that makes it superior? It's got some magically fast transistors to be sure, but what features are pushing any boundaries? Same question for Volta. What exactly is forward thinking?

Nope, its around the corner


nope (again). It's already here:
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/07/22/tesla-v100-cvpr-nvail/

No it's not here. You cannot actually buy that card or anything like it in the same form factor. All of those were gifts to that school. I'm not even seeing specs of that card anywhere. JHH turned product beta testing into a PR event. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Just calling it what it is from a product development standpoint.

 

[Elixer]

Vega RX sample (from https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6ph6r0/oh_hey_its_a_vega/)

I was linked here to correct your statement. AMD hand delivered the card to me Saturday morning, and left with it Saturday evening.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6ph6r0/oh_hey_its_a_vega/dkph7oe/

This seems to be the same crap blower as before. Throttling awaits, until Sapphire & XFX and the others slap on a Tri-X type of cooler.

 

[Maverick177]

So Vega performs worst than a 15 month old GTX 1080 and consumes 1.5x more power. Is this Bulldozer 2.0 ?

 

[DidelisDiskas]

I wonder if vega is actually pretty good at per/watt, but is being pushed really hard with the high clocks and voltage, just so that they could get near 1080~ performance, losing the efficiency and still ending up as a massive failure in the eyes of gamers? Looking at rx 570 aftermarket cards, they range from consuming close to 120w, all the way to 200w. So even after a rather small overclock they start to really suck up the juice.

 

[french toast]

I wonder if vega is actually pretty good at per/watt, but is being pushed really hard with the high clocks and voltage, just so that they could get near 1080~ performance, losing the efficiency and still ending up as a massive failure in the eyes of gamers? Looking at rx 570 aftermarket cards, they range from consuming close to 120w, all the way to 200w. So even after a rather small overclock they start to really suck up the juice.

Thats what a low power process will do for you, it falls off a cliff past a certain threshold.

 

[Stuka87]

I wonder if vega is actually pretty good at per/watt, but is being pushed really hard with the high clocks and voltage, just so that they could get near 1080~ performance, losing the efficiency and still ending up as a massive failure in the eyes of gamers? Looking at rx 570 aftermarket cards, they range from consuming close to 120w, all the way to 200w. So even after a rather small overclock they start to really suck up the juice.

This is par for the course with AMD since forever. They clock them up to get more performance, and end up with poor PPW. With my RX480, I was able to drop a 100mA off the core voltage and it dropped temps by ~20C (it went from high 80's down to high 60's).

 

[Accord99]

I wonder if vega is actually pretty good at per/watt, but is being pushed really hard with the high clocks and voltage, just so that they could get near 1080~ performance,

The problem is that all video cards have better per/watt if they're not pushed to the limits as well. A 1080 Ti can can be powered down to 200W or even 150W with only modest drops in performance.

 

[railven]

Just read a little bit more on the HardOCP posts. If they're goal is to show there is no gaming difference between the two - can't someone show something similar with a GTX 1060/GTX 1070/RX 580/Fury if they scale the settings back a little? Most often then not, it's argued Ultra vs High settings are diminishing returns unless someone is staring at their screen looking for it.

Feels like AMD is prepping to shoot themselves in the foot if their overall comparison is "look its cheaper and you get the same results."

 

[CatMerc]

Vega is a 484mm^2 GPU. If it can't beat 1080 without being pushed to the limit that's still a failure.

 

[Malogeek]

Vega is a 484mm^2. If it can't beat 1080 without being pushed to the limit that's still a failure.

Well for AMD it's only a failure if they can't sell it