Vegas hurt by low tipping foreigners

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Eug

Lifer
Mar 11, 2000
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Raise their Wages. Problem solved.
What's doubly stupid though is that in Canada, the wages for servers is much higher due to minimum wage rules, but you're still expected to tip like Americans, 15-20%.

I do tip decently, but not because I feel I should. I do it because etiquitte dictates that I should, because somehow a waitress deserves to be paid significantly more than a janitor in the same restaurants that cleans the toilets. To me that doesn't make that much sense to me.

Err yeah? Say fifty dollar plate, that two hundred is four plates.
Not sure if you're just joking, but of course he was referring to an expensive restaurant vs a cheaper one.

Note, I use to tip the shoe shine guy on the street 2000% to 2500%, but that's because he only charged 25¢. So I'd give him 5 or 6 bucks or something like that.
 
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kage69

Lifer
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I feel the outrage towards the Japanese is a little unfair, tipping isn't really done in Japan. There is a cultural connection between money and duty there that you don't really see anywhere else. It's a bit like judging American cops as lazy suspicious pricks because they don't emulate their Japanese counterparts wrt to an intoxicated person who can't drive but needs to get home (Japanese cops will loan you cab fair almost no questions asked)

I think this is less a story about the tipping characteristics by nationality and more a view into the reality of working for places like casinos, run by those who don't take great care of their employees.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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I thought most Chinese and Asian tourists ate at many Vegas buffets instead of fine dining. And having experienced the piss poor service at Vegas buffets, I would say no tip is warranted in most cases. Service at $10 Golden Corral buffet anywhere in the US is way superior to $60 Vegas buffet.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

Lifer
Aug 10, 2001
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In some countries they do pay the employees a decent wage, which means that they don't need such a big tip. And surprisingly enough the businesses don't go bankrupt over it there, Even fastfood places can afford to pay at least minimum wage without going under there. There you tip for extraordinary service, and if people don't tip the servers can still survive. Of course people don't return to bad restaurants, so if they are served poorly they'll either complain or not return, and the restaurants thus keep their own staff in check to make sure their customers return.
 

amdhunter

Lifer
May 19, 2003
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I started holding back on tips. Never more than $5 anymore. I got pissed a few months ago when I bought an expensive meal that tasted like shit. About $120 and it had recommended tips up to $35. I put 0 and left a $5.

Tipping shouldn't be a source of guilt and embarrassment.

I don't give a shit if they think I am an asshole. I'm an asshole with money in my pocket.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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It's considered an insult to tip in Japan

It used to be considered a bribe in the United States until prohibition caused a drop in restaurant profits and owners had their wait staff ask rich people to subsidize their salary. That horrible model has stuck with us ever since.
 

norseamd

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Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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We need our resident tipping expert to come in and explain why dealers can't perform at a high function without tips.
 

Six

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I agree with the other posters that Vegas services is generally under par until you get to high end services. There really isn't a middle.
 

turtile

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Is it really surprising that foreigners don't understand our customs when, according to this thread, the people who live here don't know how our tipping system works?

If a server doesn't get a tip, they have to pay out of their pocket to serve the table.

Why is this?

There is no way to prove the tip received by the server. Therefore, tip-outs (money paid to bartenders, food runners, bus boys etc.) are based off sale amounts. The system is assuming that a server will receive at least 15%.

So let's say a table's bill is $200. They spend $120 on food and $80 on alcohol.

Food @ 3% = $3.60
Al @ 5% = $4.00
(not sure what bussers usually get)

So at this point, the server has to pay at least $7.60 for a no tip table.

In addition, most POS systems require that 9% of sales is claimed. That means the server has to claim that he made $18 and pay the tax on that amount in addition to paying $7.60. So in addition to serving your table, the server is paying $10 for doing the service.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Is it really surprising that foreigners don't understand our customs when, according to this thread, the people who live here don't know how our tipping system works?

If a server doesn't get a tip, they have to pay out of their pocket to serve the table.

Why is this?

There is no way to prove the tip received by the server. Therefore, tip-outs (money paid to bartenders, food runners, bus boys etc.) are based off sale amounts. The system is assuming that a server will receive at least 15%.

So let's say a table's bill is $200. They spend $120 on food and $80 on alcohol.

Food @ 3% = $3.60
Al @ 5% = $4.00
(not sure what bussers usually get)

So at this point, the server has to pay at least $7.60 for a no tip table.

In addition, most POS systems require that 9% of sales is claimed. That means the server has to claim that he made $18 and pay the tax on that amount in addition to paying $7.60. So in addition to serving your table, the server is paying $10 for doing the service.

And yet members of this very board will proclaim this is the only compensation model that will achieve good service.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Is it really surprising that foreigners don't understand our customs when, according to this thread, the people who live here don't know how our tipping system works?

If a server doesn't get a tip, they have to pay out of their pocket to serve the table.

Why is this?

There is no way to prove the tip received by the server. Therefore, tip-outs (money paid to bartenders, food runners, bus boys etc.) are based off sale amounts. The system is assuming that a server will receive at least 15%.

So let's say a table's bill is $200. They spend $120 on food and $80 on alcohol.

Food @ 3% = $3.60
Al @ 5% = $4.00
(not sure what bussers usually get)

So at this point, the server has to pay at least $7.60 for a no tip table.

In addition, most POS systems require that 9% of sales is claimed. That means the server has to claim that he made $18 and pay the tax on that amount in addition to paying $7.60. So in addition to serving your table, the server is paying $10 for doing the service.


How is that even legal?
 
Reactions: Brainonska511
Mar 11, 2004
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The Mastercard survey was done how? Asking people? Customers or servers? Or was it based on tips on credit card charges (which likely ignore cash tips that I would wager make a huge difference)? If they were just asking people, well we're finding out in science that is based on people self-reporting that people are goddamned liars and I expect they would be even moreso with regards to money (especially if it comes to money they can get away with not reporting).

I feel the outrage towards the Japanese is a little unfair, tipping isn't really done in Japan. There is a cultural connection between money and duty there that you don't really see anywhere else. It's a bit like judging American cops as lazy suspicious pricks because they don't emulate their Japanese counterparts wrt to an intoxicated person who can't drive but needs to get home (Japanese cops will loan you cab fair almost no questions asked)

I think this is less a story about the tipping characteristics by nationality and more a view into the reality of working for places like casinos, run by those who don't take great care of their employees.

Exactly. And America is rife with stupid inconsistencies with regards to a lot of so called "societal/cultural norms" that make it nearly impossible to actually know (not to mention how much of it literally comes down to someone's personal opinions). Tipping is major one.

That's an interesting thing. Not sure it holds up here since there's usually a fair amount of services that offer free rides if you're intoxicated, and yet people still regularly ignore it. But DWI is a big revenue generator for some places.

I agree with that last part.

Regardless, learn the cultural norms of the place/country you are visiting.

That's basic travel etiquette.

Like others pointed out, so exactly what norm in the US are you talking about? I've seen people say everything from 10-30% (seems like most servers say at least 20% and anything mostly legal or in writing uses 15%) and 25-40% (Isn't 35% the common forced gratuity for groups?) for large groups should be "standard tipping etiquette" there's hardly anything more than personal opinion.

How many episodes of Seinfeld featured disputes about tips being a focal point too?

We need our resident tipping expert to come in and explain why dealers can't perform at a high function without tips.

That brings up an interesting point. Perhaps the custom in other areas of the world, in casinos it isn't that they don't tip they just tip only certain people and that's where the incongruity comes from. So servers here might get screwed but certain other people might be getting tipped and not including it (or the casinos intentionally not including that, I'm not going to just take their side of things on face value that's for sure). Not to make gross assumptions either, but plenty of places "tips" are in actuality bribes, so knowing who to "tip" makes all the difference.

Is it really surprising that foreigners don't understand our customs when, according to this thread, the people who live here don't know how our tipping system works?

If a server doesn't get a tip, they have to pay out of their pocket to serve the table.

Why is this?

There is no way to prove the tip received by the server. Therefore, tip-outs (money paid to bartenders, food runners, bus boys etc.) are based off sale amounts. The system is assuming that a server will receive at least 15%.

So let's say a table's bill is $200. They spend $120 on food and $80 on alcohol.

Food @ 3% = $3.60
Al @ 5% = $4.00
(not sure what bussers usually get)

So at this point, the server has to pay at least $7.60 for a no tip table.

In addition, most POS systems require that 9% of sales is claimed. That means the server has to claim that he made $18 and pay the tax on that amount in addition to paying $7.60. So in addition to serving your table, the server is paying $10 for doing the service.

I'm guessing that has to do with places passing laws saying that if the earnings on tips + wage doesn't equal the minimum wage then the business has to pay to makeup the difference, and so the casinos are assuming they're meeting that level (and its their fault if not)?
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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I would most certainly agree with you that half of Vegas tips should be labeled bribes.

Aka $20 trick
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Here in California they get minimum wage + tips so they make pretty good money for something that's in their basic job description.
 

turtile

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Aug 19, 2014
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How is that even legal?

I'm guessing that has to do with places passing laws saying that if the earnings on tips + wage doesn't equal the minimum wage then the business has to pay to makeup the difference, and so the casinos are assuming they're meeting that level (and its their fault if not)?

Yes, they are supposed to pay minimum wage but that generally only practiced by chains. Most small businesses just won't pay and trying to fight that takes forever if they even help you in the first place.
 

Murloc

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Jun 24, 2008
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Here are the results of the Mastercard tipping survey amongst Asian countries.

WTF Japan! Only 4% tip!

And I'm quite shocked at how high India and Bangladesh are. I assume mostly the rich have credit cards there.

idk about asia but in europe tips are usually paid with coins, people don't even know that a credit card tipping function exists.


I think that servers having to pay other staff is just beyond retarded and it's the first time I read about it.
Seriously, isn't the employer supposed to pay employees?
 
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