Vendors pleased with Bay Trail-T performance & power ($329 8'' W8.1 Toshiba tablet)

[seitur]

32 GB is way not enough for a drive with Windows 8 as an OS. Even when I try to be conservative. It is doable certainly but it is not within comfort zone for me.

 

[Sweepr]

You can get a brand new 16GB MicroSD memory card for like $10. Better than 64GB internal storage and a ~$400 price tag in my opinion.

 

[Roland00Address]

Having less than 10 gbs (a guess) free on crappy emmc

1280x800 is that enough resolution for the snap feature? I know it isn't enough resolution with normal windows 8, but microsoft is changing the snap feature with windows 8.1.

 

[sequoia464]

So basically the user will have almost no space left? How large is a windows 8.1 install? Is it a lot smaller than Win 7? Because my win 7 is 25 Gb alone and if you add Office and the fact that 32 GB is actually only 29.8 usable...

I made the mistake of getting a 32 gb tablet - HP elitepad - really like the tablet but 32 gb was a big mistake on my part.

After deleting the restore files, eliminating pagefile and hiberfile I have 14.9 gigs left. All of my files and programs are on a microSD. Could not even use Office 365 because it will only install on C.

One of my pet peeves with Windows7 and 8 is the WinSXS file and how it grows the windows install. Check the size of it out on your machine - on one of our office machines that gets light use it is already 10.2 gigs and growing. I have had some as large as 12 gbs. I don't know exactly what this file does but it grows constantly. Think it monitors all changes that happen to the OS. This file alone will eat up a big portion of what I have left on the EMMC. Not like you can swap out to a larger SSD on these things.

Just my experience, but I wouldn't buy another 32 Gb windows tablet.

 

[sequoia464]

The Encore also features 2 GB of RAM and 32 GB of internal memory, which can be extended by another 32 GB through the micro-SD card slot.

My Elitepad was rated for a max 32 gb microSD but it actually works fine with a 64 gb version. Had a conversation with a HP rep at another site about this but with the newer hardware and drivers I would speculate that the Toshiba might also work with a 64 gb card?

 

[Roland00Address]

One of my pet peeves with Windows7 and 8 is the WinSXS file and how it grows the windows install. Check the size of it out on your machine - on one of our office machines that gets light use it is already 10.2 gigs and growing. I have had some as large as 12 gbs. I don't know exactly what this file does but it grows constantly. Think it monitors all changes that happen to the OS. This file alone will eat up a big portion of what I have left on the EMMC. Not like you can swap out to a larger SSD on these things.

Yes it monitors all the changes to the OS, from microsoft technet blog

Can I delete the Winsys folder?

NO

Why? Because the component store (\Winsxs) is needed to repair the OS binaries in the event that a file becomes corrupted or, in worst case scenarios, compromised. There are a few directories in the component store so let’s look at them and what their general role is in Windows.

\Winsxs\Catalogs: Contains security catalogs for each manifest on the system
\Winsxs\InstallTemp: Temporary location for install events
\Winsxs\Manifests: Component manifest for a specific component, used during operations to make sure files end up where they should
\Winsxs\Temp: Temp directory used for various operations, you’ll find pending renames here
\Winsxs\Backup: Backups of the manifest files in case the copy in \Winsxs\Manifests becomes corrupted
\Winsxs\Filemaps: File system mapping to a file location
\Winsxs\<big_long_file_name>: The payload of the specific component, typically you will see the binaries here.
http://blogs.technet.com/b/joscon/a...s-directory-and-what-s-the-deal-with-vss.aspx

bad things happen if you delete the winsxs folder. I was a person who foolishly did so years upon years ago with my first ssd. The computer worked for a while, but I couldn't install or update and the computer became an unstable mess. A reinstall fixed all this.

 

[TuxDave]

Toshiba’s first Windows Tablet announced at IFA

8'' Windows 8.1 (x86, not RT) tablet featuring a Bay Trail-T processor for $330! November launch.

The Encore is an 8-inch tablet that runs Windows 8.1. Toshiba has announced that it has worked closely with Microsoft to ensure that the tablet is optimised for Windows 8.1, which is set to launch in October. The tablet also features dual-microphones and is certified for Skype.

This is Toshiba’s first tablet in the Windows ecosystem. The Encore features an 8-inch screen with a resolution of 1280 x 800, and is powered by Intel’s new quad-core Bay Trail processor. In a benchmark that was released yesterday, it was revealed that the Bay Trail Z3770 processor scored three times what the current-gen Clover Trail Z2760 scored.

The Encore also features 2 GB of RAM and 32 GB of internal memory, which can be extended by another 32 GB through the micro-SD card slot. The tablet comes with an 8-megapixel rear camera at the back and a 2-megapixel camera at the front. The Encore comes loaded with Microsoft Office Home & Student 2013 and the Xbox SmartGlass software which allows it to be used as a second screen for the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One, when it launches.

The tablet also features Micro-USB and Micro-HDMI ports, and connects using Wi-Fi. Toshiba has mentioned that the tablet will be available starting November and that it will cost $330.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/toshibas-first-windows-tablet-announced-ifa/55075.html#ixzz2e1lfPP5O

Nice! Looks like I need to prepare my wallet for the hurting I'm going to put to it by the end of the year.

 

[tential]

The single core single thread PC I'm posting on right now is much slower than this. This is certainly relevant to my interests.

 

[SiliconWars]

$330 is the new iPad Mini territory and that is likely to ship with Retina display. Even the $100 cheaper Nexus 7 has a 1900x1200 screen. :\

Is a fast CPU and Windows worth $100 and a worse display in a tablet? If you think so you'll be the 1 in 1000 that buys this instead.

 

[Lonyo]

Why does it say 32GB MicroSD? You can get 64GB MicroSD cards now that work in most devices... that means 64GB of storage, plus the few GB left on the device itself.

 

[Sweepr]

$330 is the new iPad Mini territory and that is likely to ship with Retina display. Even the $100 cheaper Nexus 7 has a 1900x1200 screen. :\

Is a fast CPU and Windows worth $100 and a worse display in a tablet? If you think so you'll be the 1 in 1000 that buys this instead.

Faster CPU, probably twice the RAM of the next iPad mini, microSD slot, full Windows 8.1 x86 experience for the same price of an A5/A6-based iPad with OS? Yes, I'll be one of those 1/1000. And I'd also pick a U$499 10'' Bay Trail-T tablet with 1080/1600p resolution instead of a full size iPad too.

 

[Blandge]

I really don't buy into the 7 inch tablet when my phone is already 4.5 inches. Phablets I get, and I can even see the appeal of a 10 inch tablet (Although I'd rather have a 13 inch detachable laptop), but 7-8 inches is too small to watch movies on and too big to fit comfortably in a pocket. Makes no sense to me.

 

[krumme]

Faster CPU, probably twice the RAM of the next iPad mini, microSD slot, full Windows 8.1 x86 experience for the same price of an A5/A6-based iPad with OS? Yes, I'll be one of those 1/1000. And I'd also pick a U$499 10'' Bay Trail-T tablet with 1080/1600p resolution instead of a full size iPad too.

Yes you will be perhaps not one in thousands but one in hundred to do so. What will you use it for?

Have you tried those low res screens?. Its a hell. I just say before anyone goes and buys office on a 8 low res tablet, better try the alternatives and judge if you realle need anything more than quad krait 300 cpu speed. Its plenty.
The comparison to apple speed is a little off. Apple sell tons of ip4.

People want smart watches and 4k video recording, lte speeds they never need. Retina screens and more angry birds.

No wonder the oem wants Intel to lower prices. What a mess to get into. And while they fight 4k recording and retina screens with ipc talk from the last century, they try to rip the stagnating desktop market, as if they wanted it to stagnate faster, forgetting where they earn their money.

 

[Sweepr]

Yes you will be perhaps not one in thousands but one in hundred to do so. What will you use it for?

Have you tried those low res screens?. Its a hell. I just say before anyone goes and buys office on a 8 low res tablet, better try the alternatives and judge if you realle need anything more than quad krait 300 cpu speed. Its plenty.
The comparison to apple speed is a little off. Apple sell tons of ip4.

The low-res 1024x768 screen didnt stop Apple from selling millions. Very far from ''hell'', it's actually a pretty good IPS screen. I can say that because I have an iPad mini. Fun toy, but a Windows tablet with similar size would allow me to leave my laptop at home much more often than a low-end Android/iOS device. Maybe the average joe that only does web browsing and casual gaming doesnt share this opinion, but many people do.

 

[krumme]

The low-res 1024x768 screen didnt stop Apple from selling millions. Very far from ''hell'', it's actually a pretty good IPS screen. I can say that because I have an iPad mini. Fun toy, but a Windows tablet with similar size would allow me to leave my laptop at home much more often than a low-end Android/iOS device. Maybe the average joe that only does web browsing and casual gaming doesnt share this opinion, but many people do.

Apple sell because of brand and desing.
Windows does not sell and a cpu does not make any difference. Windows failed. The consumers dont like it.
Who in their sane mind - sorry - thinks a cpu in 2013 can sell low res windows tablets.
Its just not going to happen. Period.
And practically no one will buy this 8 low res stuff. And neither will you. Get real. Perhaps some higher end bigger stuff as you mentioned but not this.

 

[Sweepr]

Who in their sane mind - sorry - thinks a cpu in 2013 can sell low res windows tablets.
Its just not going to happen. Period.

People care about performance. If a Bay Trail Windows tablet/laptop is noticeably faster than a Clovertrail model they will look for the Bay Trail-T stuff.

And practically no one will buy this 8 low res stuff. And neither will you. Get real.

Why? Will you punch me if I buy this just because there isnt an AMD CPU inside?
Surface might not be an iPad killer but it was pretty succesful compared to other Windows tablets and that was Tegra 3 + Windows RT. Call me crazy but I think a similarly priced Bay Trail + Windows 8.1 tablet (8-10'') with good build quality and decent screen would do pretty well.

 

[jpiniero]

If it was at the $200 price range, then yeah a 1280x800 screen might work. At $320, no way, especially with the Nexus 7 here and the iPad Mini Retina incoming. Intel's promised Android tablets in the $200 range, so we might have to wait until those ship before getting any kind of idea of whether Intel can make a dent. I also wonder how bad the GPU's gonna be.

Intel's getting closer, but they seriously needs to kick the Windows 8 habit.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Nice! Looks like I need to prepare my wallet for the hurting I'm going to put to it by the end of the year.

Yea, this is something I definitely think is appealing. I spent a lot of time in Best Buy looking at convertibles and they dont seem to have the "just right" formfactor.

I think you really need to have a tablet you can comfortably hold in one hand. I just did not see this. Either the tablet portion did not detach completely or the tablet is just too big and heavy once it is detached.

The most appealing thing to me was the Surface Pro, but it is too expensive with a decent SSD and the keyboard dock. I would even be willing to accept some performance compromises for an easier to handle formfactor.

 

[frozentundra123456]

$330 is the new iPad Mini territory and that is likely to ship with Retina display. Even the $100 cheaper Nexus 7 has a 1900x1200 screen. :\

Is a fast CPU and Windows worth $100 and a worse display in a tablet? If you think so you'll be the 1 in 1000 that buys this instead.

Well then, count me in as the 1 in 1000, although I dont agree with those numbers. I have a cheap android tablet, 7", with only a 600p display. The display actually looks fine to me, but the rest of the tablet is a POS, including wireless connectivity, android OS, and battery life. Most of us operate perfectly with 1080p on a 22 plus inch monitor, so for a low/mid range 10 inch or less tablet, I dont really see the need for a 1200 or even 1080p display.

 

[blackened23]

There's a pretty obvious difference between what one can accomplish with Windows 8.1 and Android. Come on. Android is nice for the simple stuff like media consumption, but having the option for a full fledged Windows 8.1 system for 300$? Sounds good to me. Although I do agree I would like a higher resolution, even if it costs more.

On that note, this leaves Windows RT in an even more undesirable position. If Bay Trail T can do full Windows 8.1 at a 300$ price point, what's the point of Windows RT existing *at all*? Microsoft should just ditch Windows RT and forget it ever happened. It's quite obvious that the entire premise behind RT was a mistake. I'm sure Surface RT 2.0 will fail just as the original did, although I *am* very excited for the second generation Surface Pro. I thought the Surface Pro was an excellent product.

Anyway, back to Bay Trail T and Windows 8.1 - I'm guessing the lion's share of the cost with these devices is not Bay Trail-T, but rather the Windows OS license. Android (which is free) can run on Bay Trail as well, so i'm confused as to why vendors have not opted for a full fledged Bay Trail android device yet. It is obviously early in the game, though. We haven't seen anything yet, so to speak, with regards to Bay Trail. A month or two from now will paint a much more clear picture.

 

[krumme]

People care about performance. If a Bay Trail Windows tablet/laptop is noticeably faster than a Clovertrail model they will look for the Bay Trail-T stuff.



Why? Will you punch me if I buy this just because there isnt an AMD CPU inside?
Surface might not be an iPad killer but it was pretty succesful compared to other Windows tablets and that was Tegra 3 + Windows RT. Call me crazy but I think a similarly priced Bay Trail + Windows 8.1 tablet (8-10'') with good build quality and decent screen would do pretty well.

Yes i will punch you if you buy it
Fortunately that situation will not happen.
I dont care what cpu is inside but you seem to do. You just have to explain to me why others want to pay for this low res win and not eg. The nexus 7.
Is it speed? Excell?
Just plain tell me because i dont understand it!

 

[krumme]

There's a pretty obvious difference between what one can accomplish with Windows 8.1 and Android. Come on. Android is nice for the simple stuff like media consumption, but having the option for a full fledged Windows 8.1 system for 300$? Sounds good to me. Although I do agree I would like a higher resolution, even if it costs more.

On that note, this leaves Windows RT in an even more undesirable position. If Bay Trail T can do full Windows 8.1 at a 300$ price point, what's the point of Windows RT existing *at all*? Microsoft should just ditch Windows RT and forget it ever happened. It's quite obvious that the entire premise behind RT was a mistake. I'm sure Surface RT 2.0 will fail just as the original did, although I *am* very excited for the second generation Surface Pro. I thought the Surface Pro was an excellent product.

Anyway, back to Bay Trail T and Windows 8.1 - I'm guessing the lion's share of the cost with these devices is not Bay Trail-T, but rather the Windows OS license. Android (which is free) can run on Bay Trail as well, so i'm confused as to why vendors have not opted for a full fledged Bay Trail android device yet. It is obviously early in the game, though. We haven't seen anything yet, so to speak, with regards to Bay Trail. A month or two from now will paint a much more clear picture.

Yes win on tablets have their audience as we can see. Its just small.
The volume for BT is on Android.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Yes i will punch you if you buy it
Fortunately that situation will not happen.
I dont care what cpu is inside but you seem to do. You just have to explain to me why others want to pay for this low res win and not eg. The nexus 7.
Is it speed? Excell?
Just plain tell me because i dont understand it!

...Because it can run a real OS with real programs (e.g. Office) and not just small apps, meaning you can use it as a laptop replacement?

No, that can't be it.

 

[monstercameron]

...Because it can run a real OS with real programs (e.g. Office) and not just small apps, meaning you can use it as a laptop replacement?

No, that can't be it.

you would be surprised by some of the things android can do...

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

you would be surprised by some of the things android can do...

It's still nowhere near as good as Windows if you want to run any sort of productivity programs.