Vendors pleased with Bay Trail-T performance & power ($329 8'' W8.1 Toshiba tablet)

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Nothingness

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Android (which is free) can run on Bay Trail as well, so i'm confused as to why vendors have not opted for a full fledged Bay Trail android device yet. It is obviously early in the game, though.
Perhaps because Intel hasn't yet fully optimized Android for BT? Or perhaps most OEM don't care about Android on Intel, leaving it to ARM SoC?
 

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Perhaps because Intel hasn't yet fully optimized Android for BT? Or perhaps most OEM don't care about Android on Intel, leaving it to ARM SoC?
I can agree with your first point but are you really saying that oems dont like free moneys? because that is what android is.
 

Nothingness

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I can agree with your first point but are you really saying that oems dont like free moneys? because that is what android is.
Yes, but do you know if BT and ARM SoC are similarly priced? Most people don't care about performance (remember: you, I and all people in this forum are not representative), so BT wouldn't mean anything to them and a higher price would mean it wouldn't sell.

But that's pure speculation
 

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intel has had multiple devices on android (yes they all sucked) so at this point im expecting them to optimize android on BT, esp when they know its a growing market

as for cost, im guessing intel is on par with competition. s800 is not a $15 chip and intel is targeting those designs. from OEM point of view, they can make a windows tab and release android an tablet on the same design. helps them amortize the cost
 

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In terms of Android. Its far from loved by OEMs. Just look at Samsung, they are doing everything they can to get rid of Android in favour of Tizen.
 

Nothingness

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intel has had multiple devices on android (yes they all sucked) so at this point im expecting them to optimize android on BT, esp when they know its a growing market
Of course they are working on it, isn't it what I wrote (note the 'yet' )?
 

Sweepr

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Yes i will punch you if you buy it
Fortunately that situation will not happen.
I dont care what cpu is inside but you seem to do. You just have to explain to me why others want to pay for this low res win and not eg. The nexus 7.
Is it speed? Excell?
Just plain tell me because i dont understand it!

Let me explain to you then: a $330 tablet that can be used as real Windows 8.1 laptop replacement (like LOL_Wut_Axel said) and run lots of programs that I use everyday and are not available on Android (hopefully with great battery life) + microUSB port, microHDMI video output + Z3770 (rumoured to be inside this Toshiba Encore) is probably a lot faster than the N7's S4 Pro on the CPU side (yes I do care about CPU performance and I'd rather have 4 Silvermont cores @ 1.46-2.4GHz or a Tegra 4/S800 chip in my tablet than a slow 3.9W TDP chip with 2 Jaguar cores @ 1GHz) + I have an iPad mini so I'm quite used to ~720p on ~8'' tablets, 1080p is better but I'm sure there will be similar Bay Trail-T tablets with high-PPI displays very soon.
 

krumme

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Let me explain to you then: a $330 tablet that can be used as real Windows 8.1 laptop replacement (like LOL_Wut_Axel said) and run lots of programs that I use everyday and are not available on Android (hopefully with great battery life) + microUSB port, microHDMI video output + Z3770 (rumoured to be inside this Toshiba Encore) is probably a lot faster than the N7's S4 Pro on the CPU side (yes I do care about CPU performance and I'd rather have 4 Silvermont cores @ 1.46-2.4GHz or a Tegra 4/S800 chip in my tablet than a slow 3.9W TDP chip with 2 Jaguar cores @ 1GHz) + I have an iPad mini so I'm quite used to ~720p on ~8'' tablets, 1080p is better but I'm sure there will be similar Bay Trail-T tablets with high-PPI displays very soon.

I agree for the highend 1080p and good quality like apple does there is a market. Its just small. And notice how qualcomm is shutting the door effectively giving s600 speed instead of the labelled s4 pro. I think the reason is bt so compettition is good
 

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Move them goalposts! First it was, performance will be awful. AMD APUs will have better GPU performance. TDP will be too high. And now it's about Windows 8.1. What will it be next week?

Bottom line is that there is a clear difference in terms of what one can accomplish on full fledged Windows as compared to Android. I can't believe i'm stating this because it's just obvious, but this is what happens when arguments and goalposts continually shift from one week to the next.
 
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I think the problem with that is that up till now the reason why tablets weren't that important (when Intel was nowhere) was "because you can't do x,y,z on a tablet". That all appears to be changing now and suddenly tablets are supposed to be productivity machines (but only with Windows).

That's where the goalposts have changed most recently.
 

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Move them goalposts! First it was, performance will be awful. AMD APUs will have better GPU performance. TDP will be too high. And now it's about Windows 8.1. What will it be next week?

Bottom line is that there is a clear difference in terms of what one can accomplish on full fledged Windows as compared to Android. I can't believe i'm stating this because it's just obvious, but this is what happens when arguments and goalposts continually shift from one week to the next.

Maybe the majority of people are actually happier with what Android let them achieve on this kind of tablet.
Why would you want to run your legacy Windows apps on a 8" tablet? it would be mostly unusable anyway.

Bay Trail may be very good, but for a tablet usage, it will need Android to be relevant.
 

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Maybe the majority of people are actually happier with what Android let them achieve on this kind of tablet.
Why would you want to run your legacy Windows apps on a 8" tablet? it would be mostly unusable anyway.

Bay Trail may be very good, but for a tablet usage, it will need Android to be relevant.

maybe we will see the rise of more hybrid w8.1/ android devices. i dont really think adding android would be incrementally expensive.
 

Sweepr

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Micro-USB and micro-HDMI allows you to to plug in a full size keyboard + monitor and suddenly you have a <500g $329 tablet that you can carry around everywhere turning into a fully capable x86 Windows 8.1 PC based on the quad-core Z3770 (pretty good CPU performance). In term of productivity yes, this would beat a $200-300 iOS/Android for my personal use.
 
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Erenhardt

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Micro-USB and micro-HDMI allows you to to plug in a full size keyboard + monitor and suddenly you have a <500g $329 tablet that you can carry around everywhere turning into a fully capable x86 Windows 8.1 PC

I want that <500g keyboard and monitor
 

Sweepr

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I want that <500g keyboard and monitor

They will be at home or work waiting for you while you can still use the machine as a very portable tablet and do most of the stuff you can with Android/iOS + Windows-only applications if you need them (or the same/more if they launch Windows 8.1/Android hybrids) everywhere you go.
 

Erenhardt

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They will be at home or work waiting for you while you can still use the machine as a very portable tablet and do most of the stuff you can with Android/iOS + Windows-only applications if you need them (or the same/more if they launch Windows 8.1/Android hybrids) everywhere you go.

They why even bothering with taking the device with you? All this plugging in and out, so much hassle. I bet the cheapest desktop is better when it comes to any productivity tasks. Cloud offers access to your data everywhere you are.
And it is rather hard to forget to take the cloud with you in the morning rush, when you are late. And I find myself often forget my: phone/keys/wallet etc when I woke up late. Now I will have to remember to take the tablet as well... No thank you.

Btw. I can't imagine doing anything in Excel on such a small screen.
 

Sweepr

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They why even bothering with taking the device with you? All this plugging in and out, so much hassle. I bet the cheapest desktop is better when it comes to any productivity tasks. Cloud offers access to your data everywhere you are.
And it is rather hard to forget to take the cloud with you in the morning rush, when you are late. And I find myself often forget my: phone/keys/wallet etc when I woke up late. Now I will have to remember to take the tablet as well... No thank you.

Btw. I can't imagine doing anything in Excel on such a small screen.

I kinda agree on some points but you have to think about this (using a Bay Trail-T device as a reasonably capable PC that you can still carry everywhere) as a ''+'' to the regular tablet experience, not the main use of the device. If they can deliver a good tablet experience (fluid performance, great battery, competitive price) with W8.1 or Android (or both) + some of the productivity you can find on a regular PC, why not?
 

krumme

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I kinda agree on some points but you have to think about this (using a Bay Trail-T device as a reasonably capable PC that you can still carry everywhere) as a ''+'' to the regular tablet experience, not the main use of the device. If they can deliver a good tablet experience (fluid performance, great battery, competitive price) with W8.1 or Android (or both) + some of the productivity you can find on a regular PC, why not?

Because its not happening now.

I havnt tried current atom generation on a win 8 tablet on eg. 8 inches, but is it really the speed keeping sales down?

Besides i find myself using my ultrabook far less now than one year ago. The move from s3 to s4 made a small difference but it just means i do a lot of the task on the phone now. I dont see what an win tablet gives here for the usage pattern. Just half a year ago i was quite certain i would end up with an x86 win phone now i dont think so. I am not going into win unless its absolutely nessesary and never without a keyboard.
 
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