Venezuela and Private Gun Ownership

[rudder]

So Venezuala didn't like private gun ownership and all personal firearms were confiscated. So now we see the socialist government collapsing. How do they intend to stay in power? Guns.... 400,000 of them. Distributed to regime loyalists.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...-supporters-after-confiscating-civilian-guns/

Very convenient. I am sure Maduro is a billionaire... and he can buy loyalty. His 400,000 newly minted militia members will likely have frst dibs on any food. While the disarmed populace fights each other for scraps.

Just a lesson for you all. The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting. The constitution was put in place to give the people power over the government.

Sure we have to put up with cheeto in the oval office..... but Neil Gorsuch will make sure our 2nd amendment rights are not messed with.

Your original title, "This is why leftists hate the 2nd amendment," is an inflammatory strawman better "argued" in your OP but misleading and unfit as a thread title. That said, carry on!

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[SViscusi]

I could have sworn it had to to do with the immensely higher rates of gun violence in comparison to other first world nations. Good thing you had a strawman to set me straight.

 

[ivwshane]

You should take all your guns and shoot up that straw man you keep propping up as ideals from the left.

 

[dank69]

So Venezuala didn't like private gun ownership and all personal firearms were confiscated. So now we see the socialist government collapsing. How do they intend to stay in power? Guns.... 400,000 of them. Distributed to regime loyalists.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...-supporters-after-confiscating-civilian-guns/

Very convenient. I am sure Maduro is a billionaire... and he can buy loyalty. His 400,000 newly minted militia members will likely have frst dibs on any food. While the disarmed populace fights each other for scraps.

Just a lesson for you all. The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting. The constitution was put in place to give the people power over the government.

Sure we have to put up with cheeto in the oval office..... but Neil Gorsuch will make sure our 2nd amendment rights are not messed with.

Yeah Garland was a real gun grabber. Thank God for Trump.

 

[rudder]

I could have sworn it had to to do with the immensely higher rates of gun violence in comparison to other first world nations. Good thing you had a strawman to set me straight.

Well we have this war on drugs you see. There is a financial incentive to fight for ones territory especially in areas where unemployment is high and drug sales provide a comfortable income. Study gun violence statistics and get back with me. I will help you out. Look at total firearm murders... remove suicides and violence related to drug/gang activity... the compare to other nations.

I watch the Nashville news regularly. Multiple shootings occur weekly.... but they are generally limited to specific neighborhoods and 99% of the time involve drugs. yet during my time in nashville I feel fairly confident i will not be a victim of gun violence.

 

[rudder]

Yeah Garland was a real gun grabber. Thank God for Trump.

geez keeping telling yourself that.... still won't make it true. And you can easily google and find out what Hillary's stance was on guns.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...preme-court-second-amendment-column/83670044/

 

[Meghan54]

geez keeping telling yourself that.... still won't make it true. And you can easily google and find out what Hillary's stance was on guns.

Should be easy for you to link to somewhere that shows Clinton (either of them) advocated/advocates confiscating everyone's gun(s).

 

[dank69]

geez keeping telling yourself that.... still won't make it true. And you can easily google and find out what Hillary's stance was on guns.

What does Hillary have to do with Garland?

 

[rudder]

Should be easy for you to link to somewhere that shows Clinton (either of them) advocated/advocates confiscating everyone's gun(s).

So Hillary never said the supreme court was wrong on the 2nd amendment? or she never mentioned the "assualt weapons" ban was a good thing?

 

[rudder]

What does Hillary have to do with Garland?

Well if she were president.... she would have had the next supreme court pick. may not have been garland.... but likely similar rulings on the 2nd amendment. Really not that difficult to think this through. I know you are still mad about the election.... but damn.

 

[ch33zw1z]

As a "leftist", I support the second amendment. /mindblown

 

[rudder]

So no thoughts on what is going on in Venezuela and the disarmed populace?

 

[dank69]

So Hillary never said the supreme court was wrong on the 2nd amendment? or she never mentioned the "assualt weapons" ban was a good thing?

Bro, your assertion is that Democrats want to take all guns so we can control everyone and give them back out to only Democrats. Seems legit.

 

[desura]

Yeah, I dislike the 2nd because the easy access and availability of these firearms makes killing random people way too easy.

The situation of the OP is just bad all around.

 

[brycejones]

Poor strawmen being murdered in wholesale lots by the op. Why do conservatives on this forum have so much hatred for the straw people?

 

[woolfe9998]

Nah, we're OK with the Second Amendment. Or at least it's a lower priority on our hit list.

It's Christmas that we really despise.

 

[brycejones]

So no thoughts on what is going on in Venezuela and the disarmed populace?

Sorry but from your op and the thread title you are not interested in meaningful discussion. Enjoy your fapping away to your fantasies about the left in the US.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So no thoughts on what is going on in Venezuela and the disarmed populace?

Sure, protecting ourselves from the over reaching of a government is why we have the 2nd amendment.

 

[agent00f]

So Venezuala didn't like private gun ownership and all personal firearms were confiscated. So now we see the socialist government collapsing. How do they intend to stay in power? Guns.... 400,000 of them. Distributed to regime loyalists.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...-supporters-after-confiscating-civilian-guns/

Very convenient. I am sure Maduro is a billionaire... and he can buy loyalty. His 400,000 newly minted militia members will likely have frst dibs on any food. While the disarmed populace fights each other for scraps.

Just a lesson for you all. The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting. The constitution was put in place to give the people power over the government.

Sure we have to put up with cheeto in the oval office..... but Neil Gorsuch will make sure our 2nd amendment rights are not messed with.

Good thing you guys never found proof that Obama was kenyan muslim or that would've made him take all the guns and bibles you guys are clutching away.

 

[Meghan54]

So Hillary never said the supreme court was wrong on the 2nd amendment? or she never mentioned the "assualt weapons" ban was a good thing?

So, Clinton couldn't possibly disagree with the Heller decision and believe gun ownership is a constitutional right...simultaneously?

 

[SViscusi]

Well we have this war on drugs you see. There is a financial incentive to fight for ones territory especially in areas where unemployment is high and drug sales provide a comfortable income. Study gun violence statistics and get back with me. I will help you out. Look at total firearm murders... remove suicides and violence related to drug/gang activity... the compare to other nations.

I watch the Nashville news regularly. Multiple shootings occur weekly.... but they are generally limited to specific neighborhoods and 99% of the time involve drugs. yet during my time in nashville I feel fairly confident i will not be a victim of gun violence.

And that finacial incentive doesn't exist in other countries? I find it hard to believe that a criminal in Germany/France/England/etc will go 'yeah I'll sell/traffic/use cocaine/heroin/etc, but I draw the line at a 9mm.'

 

[brycejones]

So, Clinton couldn't possibly disagree with the Heller decision and believe gun ownership is a constitutional right...simultaneously?

Has rudder ever show any ability to think that deeply?

 

[rudder]

Good thing you guys never found proof that Obama was kenyan muslim or that would've made him take all the guns and bibles you guys are clutching away.

define "you guys".... because I do not think I ever made the assertation that Obama was a Kenyan Muslim. I always thought he was born in Hawaii. I mean his dad had a couple of wives in Kenya at the time... no way he was bringing a pregnant white girl there.

And in your heart do you really beleive that if obama has been able to get Scalia's replacement named to the supreme court that he would not have gone after the 2nd amendment? If you have ever read the 2nd amendment there is not much to it. Our ability to own the firearms that we want is a result of interpretations by the supreme court of what the founding fathers intended. Lot of 5-4 pro 2nd amendment decisions. It could have very easily swung the other way.

 

[Moonbeam]

But what we really need is a constitutional commandment that insures the rights of plants to grow on the moon. Not sure what that amendment is but it's got to be one of them. This a vital right because we can't breath in a vacuum and need the moon to have air. Without that life liberty and happiness on the moon would be impossible. Of course, this will require all imported guns to moon colonies will have to have their range finders reworked or we'll wind up shooting over our the moon government soldiers' heads.

 

[rudder]

And that finacial incentive doesn't exist in other countries? I find it hard to believe that a criminal in Germany/France/England/etc will go 'yeah I'll sell/traffic/use cocaine/heroin/etc, but I draw the line at a 9mm.'

Do those countries you mention have a DEA that goes after illegal drugs in the same manner? Look at japan and the Yakuza. totally different dynamic. Here in the U.S. we had the democrats war on poverty that destroyed the black inner city community. Can you find any similar actions in those countries you listed? Are you certain there is no violenve associated with the drug trade in Europe?