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Ok now I can say I'm impressed with the VX!
Where it really shows its strength is with lower airflows. I gained 1-2 degrees C from going to a pair of 1800RPM Gentle Typhoons to a single 120MM fan (the one that comes with the H50 that is nearly silent). I figured with the lower airflow temperatures would soar but they barely budged! In the RV02 with a stock clock (W3530) I'd be willing to bet this cooler could run passive just relying on the airflow from the bottom 180mm fans. Even a moderate oc to 3.2GHz would not be out of the question in the scheme of things.

Testing continues...

Do you think the mounting system on VX might be better than Megahalems?

Isn't Megahalems a physically larger cooler? (with more air fin/surface area) Or am I wrong about this?
 

Rubycon

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Do you think the mounting system on VX might be better than Megahalems?

Isn't Megahalems a physically larger cooler? (with more air fin/surface area) Or am I wrong about this?

The mounting brackets are about the same although tightening the "pressure screw" on the VX may be a PIA to some.

The Mega has a larger footprint overall. Both are superb coolers. The VX doesn't allow temps to rise as fast under reduced airflows. It will be a hit with the operators obsessed with silence.
 

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The Mega has a larger footprint overall. Both are superb coolers. The VX doesn't allow temps to rise as fast under reduced airflows. It will be a hit with the operators obsessed with silence.

When you say "Footprint" are you talking about the part of the Megahalems that makes contact with the CPU heatspreader?
 

Rubycon

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That's a pretty good summary explaining dimensions, etc.

This HSF is definitely going to be received well by the silent pc crowd.

If they tested an original TRUE they would've definitely seen a bigger spread. The REV C. TRUE (like they had) is very close to a Megahalems. Either way one cannot go wrong. If your load temps with one of these is in the 90s you either live in the Sahara, are using lots of VCORE at high speeds, or didn't RTFM with regards to applying TIM and installing!

Water cooling would be recommended in your case. (NOT including H50)
 

orbiter

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Here's my own personal mini review...

After waiting for the VX's to arrive over here in the UK for ages, I finaly found a stockists who had them in a few days back (www.aria.co.uk) So the order went in immediately and my cooler arrived yesterday. This will be replacing my TRUE which is going in another machine. Fitting the VX was no problem at all, and to be honest it fits a lot better than the TRUE as there is no more fiddling with spring loaded screws whilst the cooler is moving around, in fact the mounting bracket on the VX stops any twisting at all (even without any extra screw pressure.) the thing is solid. After reading a few reviews on the VX I thought it was great that apparently Thermalright had paid a bit more attention to the base surface so I expected that lapping was going to pass me by this time. Unfortunately though this is not correct as mine had a base surface that was not too disimilar from a wok! In fact it was very convex indeed. So down to the auto parts store I went for a few quids worth of wet'n dry and an hour or so later the VX's base was good and flat.

One other thing that suprised me was that some reviewers are telling of huge reductions in tempratures using this cooler but these just don't seem right. After doing a few tests of my own (making sure my ambient temps where exactly the same) The system was warmed up for 3 hours, with half an hour of GRID then played to keep the GPU's nice and toasty under the VX, then left to idle for another hour.

With the exact same system settings, my idle and load temps have been reduced by 2*C. Now I know this is 2*C better than a TRUE so that's a good thing, but to be honest it's not as big a difference as some have been implying.
 

orbiter

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Did you test before lapping? Is your CPU lapped?

I tested the VX before lapping it on my unlapped CPU and noted temps, then I lapped the H/S as it was really convex in a North/South plane, then I lapped the CPU as that was a tad convex.
 

nyker96

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That's a pretty good summary explaining dimensions, etc.

This HSF is definitely going to be received well by the silent pc crowd.

If they tested an original TRUE they would've definitely seen a bigger spread. The REV C. TRUE (like they had) is very close to a Megahalems. Either way one cannot go wrong. If your load temps with one of these is in the 90s you either live in the Sahara, are using lots of VCORE at high speeds, or didn't RTFM with regards to applying TIM and installing!

Water cooling would be recommended in your case. (NOT including H50)

yes I think rev c, mega, vx are pretty close in most cases. the trend toward wider fin gap and low cfm fan is in for most modern iterations of super coolers. I have a feeling once we get to 8core+ water might be the only way to go if overclocking.

I tested the VX before lapping it on my unlapped CPU and noted temps, then I lapped the H/S as it was really convex in a North/South plane, then I lapped the CPU as that was a tad convex.

careful lapping vx and mega etc might decrease performance since they are convex for better heat xfer. but do let us know the results if you already lapped it. :]
 

orbiter

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careful lapping vx and mega etc might decrease performance since they are convex for better heat xfer. but do let us know the results if you already lapped it. :]

I had no option really on whether to lap my VX or not as it was so convex it was unbelieveble, far more than my previous TRUE was. On a perfectly flat surface I could get a 3000th/inch feeler blade underneath both ends at the same time
 

Rubycon

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With the exact same system settings, my idle and load temps have been reduced by 2*C. Now I know this is 2*C better than a TRUE so that's a good thing, but to be honest it's not as big a difference as some have been implying.


Use fully loaded (i.e. LinX) temperatures for a metric not idle temps. That's what separates the men from the boys.
 

orbiter

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Use fully loaded (i.e. LinX) temperatures for a metric not idle temps. That's what separates the men from the boys.

That's the reason I didn't have many different test results to show you guys really, as everything I did resulted in the same 2*C difference in temps compared to my TRUE, even after a 50 pass LinX run the temp was that same 2*C less
 

Rubycon

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That's the reason I didn't have many different test results to show you guys really, as everything I did resulted in the same 2*C difference in temps compared to my TRUE, even after a 50 pass LinX run the temp was that same 2*C less

Sounds like you have the original TRUE. The RevC is very close to the Megahalems and VX. Both (Mega and VX) are considerably better than the original TRUE.

I would NOT modify the base on either. They are purposely machined to match with IHS producing a contact patch for optimal transfer. The only way to get better would be to lap BOTH CPU and base to ensure flat contact. If this is done correctly a tiny drop of olive oil placed on the cpu will hold the heatsink with impressive power. It will slide of course but pulling straight off will be nearly impossible! (Jo-block test)
 
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orbiter

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Sounds like you have the original TRUE. The RevC is very close to the Megahalems and VX. Both (Mega and VX) are considerably better than the original TRUE.

I would NOT modify the base on either. They are purposely machined to match with IHS producing a contact patch for optimal transfer. The only way to get better would be to lap BOTH CPU and base to ensure flat contact. If this is done correctly a tiny drop of olive oil placed on the cpu will hold the heatsink with impressive power. It will slide of course but pulling straight off will be nearly impossible! (Jo-block test)


I've was doing a bit of reading on that front before buying the VX actually and it seems that not all CPU's are being created equal as I know of people who've had convex and concave IHS's on their CPU's, i7's inc'd.

Mine was the TRUE black (about 4 months old) not sure what version it was really?
 
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RaistlinZ

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What is the purpose of the convex base to the VX instead of a true flat surface?
 

Rubycon

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What is the purpose of the convex base to the VX instead of a true flat surface?

To create a contact patch under pressure that optimizes thermal transfer. This is why folks that have lapped don't notice significant temperature changes. Some even go up!

If one goes to all the trouble to lap they should do both not one or the other.
 

nyker96

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I had no option really on whether to lap my VX or not as it was so convex it was unbelieveble, far more than my previous TRUE was. On a perfectly flat surface I could get a 3000th/inch feeler blade underneath both ends at the same time

that sounds like a lot, but since I don't have either cooler can't say how much is too much. I think the idea is for the retention to put enough force to flatten out the contact surface during installation. But since you lapped, did you observe better temperature and/or better contact?
 

orbiter

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that sounds like a lot, but since I don't have either cooler can't say how much is too much. I think the idea is for the retention to put enough force to flatten out the contact surface during installation. But since you lapped, did you observe better temperature and/or better contact?

Yes, the cooler actually fitted much better after lapping and couldn't be twisted at all and the temps were 3*C improved. Beforehand the cooler could be twisted very easily, even when locked down on the chip with the screw tightened up quite a bit (I checked the twisitng with a washer mod as Thermalright's new bracket design shape stops any twisting.)
I believe that that the convex shape was causing such a small point of contact on the CPU there was very little resistance between both surfaces. In fact I'm wondering whether having that extra pressure from Thermalright's new screw mechanism would increase the convex further over time as the screw hole for extra pressure is drilled quite a way into the base. thus the pulling/pushing forces are created in a sufficient direction & manner to achieve this. On the other hand though I'm sure that Thermalright would have checked all this out - or maybe they don't, and it's the same QA team that do the H/S base level checking

Sound like I'm moaning about this cooler doesn't it? I'm not though, I love it. I'm just posting my opinions and what I have found with mine.
 
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Interitus

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I finally got mine fitted this weekend. Still don't have the PC up and running so I can't comment on performance yet (not that I'd have anything to compare it to anyways).

One thing I did find odd about the VX is that for some reason, the mounting screws that hold the heatsink down are uneven. I mean, the left side screw by the RAM sockets looks like its only about 1/3 of the way down but the screw seems to bottom out. Other side looks like it goes down way further with ease. Cooler looks flat, doesn't wiggle at all either. Been stumped on this for days. Tried reinstalling twice and even flipping the retention bracket around, same screw seems to bottom out well before the other. I guess the spring could be taller on one side, but it's just odd. Guess I'll find out if it's messed up when I get the PC running.

On top of that I about had a heart attack trying to put it in the case. Less than a pinky's width of clearance
 

nyker96

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Yes, the cooler actually fitted much better after lapping and couldn't be twisted at all and the temps were 3*C improved. Beforehand the cooler could be twisted very easily, even when locked down on the chip with the screw tightened up quite a bit (I checked the twisitng with a washer mod as Thermalright's new bracket design shape stops any twisting.)
I believe that that the convex shape was causing such a small point of contact on the CPU there was very little resistance between both surfaces. In fact I'm wondering whether having that extra pressure from Thermalright's new screw mechanism would increase the convex further over time as the screw hole for extra pressure is drilled quite a way into the base. thus the pulling/pushing forces are created in a sufficient direction & manner to achieve this. On the other hand though I'm sure that Thermalright would have checked all this out - or maybe they don't, and it's the same QA team that do the H/S base level checking

Sound like I'm moaning about this cooler doesn't it? I'm not though, I love it. I'm just posting my opinions and what I have found with mine.

This is interesting, I mean you actually getting 3c better temp that is. BTW, when you report temp, you talking delta right? (actual temp-room temp). because you get a few degrees of room temp differences quite easily. Anyhow, if you are right then TR needs to check into this. Maybe a fix in VX Rev B.

I'm a little scared of these high pressure mechanisms, I wonder if they will damage cpu head spreader over time. ProMeg still has the most secure mounting system in my opinion no twisting.
 

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This is interesting, I mean you actually getting 3c better temp that is. BTW, when you report temp, you talking delta right? (actual temp-room temp). because you get a few degrees of room temp differences quite easily. Anyhow, if you are right then TR needs to check into this. Maybe a fix in VX Rev B.

I'm a little scared of these high pressure mechanisms, I wonder if they will damage cpu head spreader over time. ProMeg still has the most secure mounting system in my opinion no twisting.

Yes I always make sure room temps are good and stable before doing any cooler testing. My system and the lights in my room always seem to keep the temp stable at around 20*C but I can control this more accurately if I needs be. Both my digital thermometers are also permenantly placed away from any direct heat sources for overall consitancy.

You do have to be careful tightening the new VX's pressure screw down, I've heard of guys loosing memory slots temporarily if tightened down too tight.
 
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nyker96

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Yes I always make sure room temps are good and stable before doing any cooler testing. My system and the lights in my room always seem to keep the temp stable at around 20*C but I can control this more accurately if I needs be. Both my digital thermometers are also permanently placed away from any direct heat sources for overall consistency.

You do have to be careful tightening the new VX's pressure screw down, I've heard of guys loosing memory slots temporarily if tightened down too tight.

if you got thermostat controlled room temp then it probably stays even, not like my room, I get like 5C difference between noon vs night. varies too much for an accurate testing.

yeah, heard about the memory on slot 1 losses contact if you tighten too much on the screw. but I think so much pressure don't make much difference after a certain point. not only that you won't improve temp, one might actually crack the cpu.
 
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