Verizon FIOS

[InlineFive]

IIRC, running servers on FiOS is allowed, but they do block ports for HTTP and HTTPS. I might be wrong since that was in their TOS while it was being tested.

 

[Venomous]

I've got FIOS here in huntington beach, ca. We were t
e city for the first rollout in orange county. It was nice kickin Time Warners ass to the curb. TM didn't offer more than 6 mb down, 384k upload. I even tried getting their business internet and they laughed at me. That's ok, I laughed at them when I cancelled them. TW is losing internet subscribers left and right here to FIOS. We are voting to allow FIOS TV to be installed later this year. This is where TW is going to be hurting. Lower price, more options and no bs from TW to deal with. Ill be cancelling E* as soon as Fios TV is a go here.

about speeds... you get all the bandwidth VZ claims. However, there is a minor set back. Its PPPOE until sept.

As soon as TW raises there speeds here, 5/30 will be no more than $60/mo. TW did move tona $69/mo option for 1/10 speed. VZ is set to rollout 10/60 speeds by the end of year I'm told.

SBC is also rolling out their fiber called Lightning. So for those who don't have VZ as their carrier, but have SBC, your fiber is coming too.

Then telco companies plan on taking everything from cable companies. This started because cable offered VOIP services... Its payback time... FIOS was a brilliant move for VZ.

 

[Genx87]

Please Verizon come to Minnesota and rescue me from the crappy cable companies!

 

[cmetz]

TheToOTaLL, the residential package is PPPoE, one dynamic IP address, incoming port 80 blocked. Possibly others. TOS says no servers. In practice this is not policed, except for the ports that are blocked, but it could be someday. 15/2 residential dynamic = $35/mo or so.

The business package is static, you get a /29 (6 usable IP addresses) and can pay more for more IP addresses, no ports blocked. 15/2 business static = $100/mo.

If you want static IP addresses, and if you want to run servers, you just have to pay for it.

 

[RebateMonger]

This is, doubtless, a commercial site, but it DOES have some information on present and future availablity of Verizon FIOS:

Verizon FIOS Availability Status

Wish I could get a business-level FIOS connection. Only cable-modem for me, and Cox's business connections are pretty pricey for any kind of speed.

 

[Aimster]

Verizon dsl customer serive is the worst.

:-\ I am assuming they use the same people/system for their FIOS.

45 minute waits and then a click.

 

[Genx87]

I am willing to bet Qwest will not be implementing such a system anytime soon.

 

[spidey07]

And I'm willing to bet cable will be able to offer the same or higher shortly.

Fiber to the home is of course a better idea, but coax is nothing to shake a stick at either. Especially with all the technology coming out/being developed for hybrid fiber coax (HFC) networks. There's talk of 50/50 and 100/100 services...from your cable company.

They have a tight grip on all three services (voice, video, data) and you can be sure they don't want to let go.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: spidey07
And I'm willing to bet cable will be able to offer the same or higher shortly.

Fiber to the home is of course a better idea, but coax is nothing to shake a stick at either. Especially with all the technology coming out/being developed for hybrid fiber coax (HFC) networks. There's talk of 50/50 and 100/100 services...from your cable company.

They have a tight grip on all three services (voice, video, data) and you can be sure they don't want to let go.

I know Mediacom dropped fiber in the streets at my parents place but ran copper to the house. I dont know for certain what is out in my street but judging at how behind the times Charter is bandwidth wise, I dont expect anywhere near what you predict within 5 years in my area

 

[Dravic]

Originally posted by: Vampirrella
Finally after a good 2 months of construction in my street and driveway which were torn up by the Verizon workers laying fiber optics, it is finally complete and all resurfaced. Now I am wondering if this new fiber optics performance wise, will be better then my current 8Mbit/s connection i get via Comcast.

Verizon claims I can get 15Mbit down and 2Mbit up for $39.95 a mo. How realistic are these speeds really? Anyone already have experience with Verizon FIOS service and if so, how does it compare to cable modem?

I was stuck on dial up for ~4 years when i brought the new house, only to be rescued by FIOS (there was wireless by he wanted $300-$700 for equipment and $90/month for 512/512)

I pay $44.95 for the 15/2 tier

I bandwidth test @ 14.2/1.7 all the time

latency is the big advantage, I ping to the edge of verizons network at 4ms.. game server pings/lat are as low as 15ms to close BF2 servers.

it was also cool to see the redhat iso i downloaded come in at 1.4MB per sec.

 

[Thor86]

Originally posted by: Dravic

Originally posted by: Vampirrella
Finally after a good 2 months of construction in my street and driveway which were torn up by the Verizon workers laying fiber optics, it is finally complete and all resurfaced. Now I am wondering if this new fiber optics performance wise, will be better then my current 8Mbit/s connection i get via Comcast.

Verizon claims I can get 15Mbit down and 2Mbit up for $39.95 a mo. How realistic are these speeds really? Anyone already have experience with Verizon FIOS service and if so, how does it compare to cable modem?

I was stuck on dial up for ~4 years when i brought the new house, only to be rescued by FIOS (there was wireless by he wanted $300-$700 for equipment and $90/month for 512/512)

I pay $44.95 for the 15/2 tier

I bandwidth test @ 14.2/1.7 all the time

latency is the big advantage, I ping to the edge of verizons network at 4ms.. game server pings/lat are as low as 15ms to close BF2 servers.

it was also cool to see the redhat iso i downloaded come in at 1.4MB per sec.

Nice! :beer:

 

[cmetz]

spidey07, how do the cable folks you know think they're going to get around the upstream direction noise combination problem? Folks I know who are very deeply into cable modem technology tell me that t's a very fundamental problem that can only be traded off between how close you put the fiber to the homes vs. what the inherent cap on the upload speed possible is. Those whole information theory and noise physics things. There comes a point where the only way to get better upload is to move the fiber closer and closer to each sub, thus cutting out the coax and associated coax spliters/amps.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: cmetz
spidey07, how do the cable folks you know think they're going to get around the upstream direction noise combination problem? Folks I know who are very deeply into cable modem technology tell me that t's a very fundamental problem that can only be traded off between how close you put the fiber to the homes vs. what the inherent cap on the upload speed possible is. Those whole information theory and noise physics things. There comes a point where the only way to get better upload is to move the fiber closer and closer to each sub, thus cutting out the coax and associated coax spliters/amps.

Ex@ctly. push the fiber closer. @ll depends on how the most crucial compenent is designed - physical.

Let's put it this way...it is a battle to say the least. dam last mile and all. I could expound more but the ctrl-v to make @n a is getting annoying.

we all know that fiber to the home is optimal. Capital cost vs operational expense come into play.

Both sides are playing a gambit - see what the other does, IMHO. These are business decisions, not technical.

 

[cmetz]

Ok. In my neck of the woods, the cable networks basically suck. The fiber parts are okay, the coax parts were poorly designed and built back in the day and they're just trying to get away with replacing as little as possible with fiber and associated newfangled distribution gear. This leads to two problems: (1) speeds are impacted by the cable plant itself, and (2) reliability problems for which there's clearly no permanent fix. A number of times I've seen cable modems out in a neighborhood, and the cable guy is out at the distribution amp with a screwdriver tweaking the gain pots, then it all comes back to life... until temperatures change too much

In the long run, they pretty much have to go FTTP. Because they just have to rip out that old crappy coax last mile and replace it with something that meets modern standards. And if they're doing any digging, they'd be fools not to do FTTP while they're at it.

It is interesting to watch from a business perspective. One cable modem ISP just announced fire-sale pricing tiers designed to fight back with FIOS. That is certainly one way they can compete, though I wonder how sustainable it is. $20/month for a sub is a challenging price point.

 

[halfadder]

One possibility is to run two coax lines to each customer, one for upstream and one for downstream. Of course what I'm describing sounds an awful lot like T3 and at that point it cost almost as much as running fiber to the house in the first place...

 

[ripn]

Get FIOS. Keep in mind when doing a speed test you have to factor in the PPOE overhead. I've heard the service is rock solid and reliable.

I would love to be in your shoes

 

[Nutz]

Originally posted by: RebateMonger
This is, doubtless, a commercial site, but it DOES have some information on present and future availablity of Verizon FIOS:

Verizon FIOS Availability Status

Wish I could get a business-level FIOS connection. Only cable-modem for me, and Cox's business connections are pretty pricey for any kind of speed.

Try Gethuman.

For computer phone systems most will get you to a person rather quick if you just fake out the system by repeatedly pressing "0". Another option to get a person quick is select the spanish language option. When they answer just claim you hit the wrong button and they might dump you to a person instead of the queue.

 

[cmetz]

halfadder, no, that does not in any way solve the problem. I'll leave it as an exercise to the interested reader to research why.

 

[Vampirrella]

**UPDATE**

The verizon guy had everything (APC backup unit mounted, CAT5 cable routed and a huge box mounted on outside of house) ect up and running within 1h 45 mins. I forgot that verizon included a free DLINK router model DL-624, but I already use a DLINK router DGL-4300 Gamer Lounge and that works flawless on this connection too.

I did 10 speed tests on various sites like dslreports.com and speedtest.integraonline.com and got pretty much this average:

VERIZON FIOS CONNECTION
dslreports.com speed test result on 2006-05-20 23:35:41 EST:
14669 / 1785
Your download speed : 14669 kbps or 1833.6 KB/sec.
That is 322.8% better than an average user on verizon.net

Your upload speed : 1785 kbps or 223.1 KB/sec.
That is 119% better than an average user on verizon.net

Compared to my comcast connection:

COMCAST CONNECTION
dslreports.com speed test result on 2006-05-21 00:07:38 EST:
8346 / 347
Your download speed : 8346 kbps or 1043.2 KB/sec.
That is 66.2% better than an average user on comcast.net

Your upload speed : 347 kbps or 43.4 KB/sec.
That is 12.5% worse than an average user on comcast.net


Looks like it might be worth the $39 a mo fee. Ill be cancelling my comcast connection on monday! They charge me $56 a mo incl tax

 

[tallman45]

Originally posted by: halfadder
FiOS is very reliable and just as fast as they claim. Some early adopters claim it's even faster than advertised. The sweet spot right now is the 30mbit/2mbit boost package. Go for FiOS, give DSL and Cable the finger.

Sweet spot is $199/mo ???

 

[Dravic]

Originally posted by: tallman45

Originally posted by: halfadder
FiOS is very reliable and just as fast as they claim. Some early adopters claim it's even faster than advertised. The sweet spot right now is the 30mbit/2mbit boost package. Go for FiOS, give DSL and Cable the finger.

Sweet spot is $199/mo ???

it's $179/mo here, but in places where they have competition like OO (optimun online) the 30/5 tier is only $55.

There are rumors of a tier shift as cable company open up there pipes to compete. They may be making the 30/5 tier the middle tier, and 15/2 their basic tier.