Verizon fires a shot accross the iphone's bow

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
You do realize they could default the browser to block flash, but allow you to say click the flash if you wanted to actually load it (say a flash based game) right?

I'm sure they could but then people would complain how evil Apple was disabling their ads.

Uhhh... What?

So, by basically using a "no flash" plugin like Firefox has with some modifications for the Safari browser people would be complaining about "disabling their ads"? Who the hell would complain about ads being disabled (outside of the advertisers obviously)?

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Oh, and let me guess that Cut and Paste was too inefficient to go in the original iPhone.

Oh, and I'm sure that MMS was too inefficient to be included in the first gen iPhone as well.

Tethering had to be too inefficient as well then.

Hmm, maybe you're on to something. Apple doesn't employ intelligent enough programmers to think creatively.

Cut and paste was something Apple could not find a satisfactory way to implement so they left it out. People complained, so they added it.

MMS is a pretty useless thing to have, when you have a device capable of sending proper email. People complained, they added it.

Tethering is an AT&T mandate.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
So, by basically using a "no flash" plugin like Firefox has with some modifications for the Safari browser people would be complaining about "disabling their ads"? Who the hell would complain about ads being disabled (outside of the advertisers obviously)?

People like Google, the internet's largest ad provider perhaps?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Chris
MMS is a pretty useless thing to have, when you have a device capable of sending proper email. People complained, they added it several years later.

And what if you want to send multimedia to a friend who doesn't have a device with email?

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
And what if you want to send multimedia to a friend who doesn't have a device with email?

Why don't they support fax while they are at supporting waning technologies?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
And what if you want to send multimedia to a friend who doesn't have a device with email?

Why don't they support fax while they are at supporting waning technologies?

If by "waning" you mean "available on virtually every mobile handset"

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
If by "waning" you mean "available on virtually every mobile handset"

People complained, they added it. What's your beef then? I'd could care less as I never sent an MMS in my life.

 

[AbAbber2k]

I love my HTC Magic (myTouch). My only complaint is performance. Donut (1.6) noticeably improved it, thank god, but it could still run a little smoother. I could care less if the iPhone has an 80k app library. Redundancy doesn't sell me. I can find any Android app that does the same as just about any iPhone app... for free. Sure there are paid apps with more features, but I have yet to stumble on one that offered so much more I had to have it over the free version.

The Droid will supposedly be the fastest Android phone on the market when it hits, but I won't be going back to Verizon for it (plus I'm on contract ). Sadly, the Droid is also one of the ugliest Android phones I've ever seen. I'll be waiting at LEAST until the Acer Liquid with Snapdragon or the HTC Dragon (supposedly also Snapdragon powered).

To me the iPhone is all marketing, just like everything else Apple produces.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Chris

My point is simple - the Android Market has between 15-20% as many apps as the App Store. This with, I'd imagine, considerably less marketshare than that, with pretty much two phones in one year on the smallest carrier. Add a dozen phones on the larger carrier, including Verizon, and you've got a lot more Android phones on the market - and thus a lot more incentive to code for the platform - and thus a lot more than the already impressive number of Android apps already. This isn't hard.

That's making a lot of assumptions. I am willing to table this until next year to laugh in your face about how another billed iPhone killer flopped, just like the others before it. You're just an Apple hater looking for the next great white hope.

Others have taken over smacking you around regarding Java performance, so I'll just comment on this one:

What, exactly, are you planning on rubbing in my face? You still have this blind fanboy view of the world that everything has to be one or the other, black or white. I never said the Droid would dethrone the iPhone. Also, which are the other phones that "flopped"? The G1 did not flop, it was a plenty successful phone. As the Pre has been so far.

I said that with a large expansion of Android in the market, the Android Market will explode with a lot more apps than there were already. Why did your little fanboy brain twist that into me thinking that Droid will run the iPhone out of the business? Believe it or not....this may come as a shock to you.....there is room in the market for more than one phone. Crazy, I know.

Grow up, kid.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
If by "waning" you mean "available on virtually every mobile handset"

People complained, they added it. What's your beef then? I'd could care less as I never sent an MMS in my life.

You haven't, but the target market for the iPhone (Apple users and the teens->mid 30's crowd) most likely have.

While your "well just send it in an email" comment is the typical response I always got when I would bring it up to iPhone lovers, it still falls flat on it's face. The reason why it doesn't hold up is because most people don't have phones with email support. So, that means that if I want to send a funny pic to my friend, then they have to go to a computer and login to their email. Conversely, if a friend wants to send me an MMS they can't send it to my phone which means the only way they can get it to me is to put it on a memory stick, transfer it to a computer, and then email it.

As for the cut and paste, it's not that complicated and they seem to have figured it out a few years later (once they put their mind to it).

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
And what if you want to send multimedia to a friend who doesn't have a device with email?

Why don't they support fax while they are at supporting waning technologies?

i would think non smart phones are still widely used across the world. just because pockets of techies/ business users have smart phones doesnt make regular cell phones waning or even obsolete.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
If by "waning" you mean "available on virtually every mobile handset"

People complained, they added it. What's your beef then? I'd could care less as I never sent an MMS in my life.

You haven't, but the target market for the iPhone (Apple users and the teens->mid 30's crowd) most likely have.

While your "well just send it in an email" comment is the typical response I always got when I would bring it up to iPhone lovers, it still falls flat on it's face. The reason why it doesn't hold up is because most people don't have phones with email support. So, that means that if I want to send a funny pic to my friend, then they have to go to a computer and login to their email. Conversely, if a friend wants to send me an MMS they can't send it to my phone which means the only way they can get it to me is to put it on a memory stick, transfer it to a computer, and then email it.

As for the cut and paste, it's not that complicated and they seem to have figured it out a few years later (once they put their mind to it).

Why do you choose to argue about things in the past?

MMS and Copy/Paste are now a standard on the iPhone. Should we whine about how the internet wasnt that fast 4 years ago? Whats your point? Are you even trying to make one?

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
If by "waning" you mean "available on virtually every mobile handset"

People complained, they added it. What's your beef then? I'd could care less as I never sent an MMS in my life.

You haven't, but the target market for the iPhone (Apple users and the teens->mid 30's crowd) most likely have.

While your "well just send it in an email" comment is the typical response I always got when I would bring it up to iPhone lovers, it still falls flat on it's face. The reason why it doesn't hold up is because most people don't have phones with email support. So, that means that if I want to send a funny pic to my friend, then they have to go to a computer and login to their email. Conversely, if a friend wants to send me an MMS they can't send it to my phone which means the only way they can get it to me is to put it on a memory stick, transfer it to a computer, and then email it.

As for the cut and paste, it's not that complicated and they seem to have figured it out a few years later (once they put their mind to it).

Why do you choose to argue about things in the past?

MMS and Copy/Paste are now a standard on the iPhone. Should we whine about how the internet wasnt that fast 4 years ago? Whats your point? Are you even trying to make one?

You're right they are standard now, but the point I was making with that is Apple wanted to they would implement things (like Flash support).

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Chris

My point is simple - the Android Market has between 15-20% as many apps as the App Store. This with, I'd imagine, considerably less marketshare than that, with pretty much two phones in one year on the smallest carrier. Add a dozen phones on the larger carrier, including Verizon, and you've got a lot more Android phones on the market - and thus a lot more incentive to code for the platform - and thus a lot more than the already impressive number of Android apps already. This isn't hard.

That's making a lot of assumptions. I am willing to table this until next year to laugh in your face about how another billed iPhone killer flopped, just like the others before it. You're just an Apple hater looking for the next great white hope.

Others have taken over smacking you around regarding Java performance, so I'll just comment on this one:

What, exactly, are you planning on rubbing in my face? You still have this blind fanboy view of the world that everything has to be one or the other, black or white. I never said the Droid would dethrone the iPhone. Also, which are the other phones that "flopped"? The G1 did not flop, it was a plenty successful phone. As the Pre has been so far.

I said that with a large expansion of Android in the market, the Android Market will explode with a lot more apps than there were already. Why did your little fanboy brain twist that into me thinking that Droid will run the iPhone out of the business? Believe it or not....this may come as a shock to you.....there is room in the market for more than one phone. Crazy, I know.

Grow up, kid.

LOL I love how Chris keeps up the fanboy spew.

Chris why do you care so much if there is a competitor to the iPhone? Why does it matter if other people like andriod?

You seem personally offended that someone would choose this new phone over an iPhone, which I find hysterical. You immediately put down the droid and started in on this tirade against Android, Java, and things non-Apple, which is very fun to read. Pretty much as Deeko already said, grow up.

Android is a great platform and is only getting better, and I look forward to more competition as it will decrease prices for smart phones all around.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: Glitchny
Chris why do you care so much if there is a competitor to the iPhone? Why does it matter if other people like andriod?

I have no problem with Android (other than the stupid iDon't ads). My point in this thread is that Java performance is not up to par, especially on smartphones, and nobody has proven me wrong.

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Glitchny
Chris why do you care so much if there is a competitor to the iPhone? Why does it matter if other people like andriod?

I have no problem with Android (other than the stupid iDon't ads). My point in this thread is that Java performance is not up to par, especially on smartphones, and nobody has proven me wrong.

well that's cause nobody wants to deal with the flame-war you started and your inability to consider opposing opinions. And this thread was to talk about the droid phone, not to bash/rage about your opinion of mobile java development.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: Glitchny
well that's cause nobody wants to deal with the flame-war you started and your inability to consider opposing opinions. And this thread was to talk about the droid phone, not to bash/rage about your opinion of mobile java development.

The thread title is "Verizon fires a shot accross the iphone's bow". If you want to rave about Android, Gadgets Gear and Phones is thataway <----

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Glitchny
Chris why do you care so much if there is a competitor to the iPhone? Why does it matter if other people like andriod?

I have no problem with Android (other than the stupid iDon't ads). My point in this thread is that Java performance is not up to par, especially on smartphones, and nobody has proven me wrong.

You haven't proven your case, either, and as the one presenting said case, it is YOUR responsibility.

You linked to an article about Davlik a year before Android's release...I bet that's up to date. A shoddily done, extremely simple benchmark that wasn't even performed the same way on the competing platforms....yea, that's useful. Especially considering it was run against Android 1.0. Current phones are using Android 1.6, and Droid is using Android 2.0. Have YOU looked at the Android source code to see if they've made any performance enhancements? With each successive update to the G1 (1.5 'cupcake' and 1.6 'donut'), users claimed large speed improvements.

If you ran a decent benchmark on the G1, and the same code written in C++ on the Touch Pro (which has virtually identical hardware and runs WinMo 6.1), then you'd have a case for your java rant. Instead, you've proven nothing, and you've gone off on numerous tangents that have nothing to do with mobile phones at all. As the accuser, the ball is still in your court....you haven't even passed it in bounds yet.

 

[optoman]

Originally posted by: rockyct

Originally posted by: optoman
I got my hands on the Droid today and like it alot. I currently use a storm and the Droid wanted me to trade up. The browser is fast and responsive. It does have wifi and we are not limiting the phone at all. The touch screen is one of the best I have ever used. Used a iphone for about 10 minutes and I would say they are about the same as regards to the touch screen performance. The tabbing in the browser is excellent and I had about 5 apps running and it didn't even hiccup. The real question is do I get the Moto or wait for the HTC versions.

Any questions about the phone?

How is the keyboard and the ability to type on it? Does it render websites well? Let's say if your on the web or checking email and want to listen to music, are there shortcuts or buttons you can use to change tracks without haven't to tab into the music player?

Also, do you know if tethering it to your computer will work or what kind of monthly plans Verizon is talking about?

The keyboard is your typical slide out keyboard, I pounded away at it and had no issues. I didn't try the virtual keyboard. Websites were excellent and everyone that has been testing it all say the same things about the browser.

I haven't tried to play any music on it so I don't know how the player works. Tethering has not been mentioned at all and I haven't tried it.

Plans will be the typical plans for pda/smartphones, $29.99.

 

[optoman]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: rockyct

Originally posted by: optoman
I got my hands on the Droid today and like it alot. I currently use a storm and the Droid wanted me to trade up. The browser is fast and responsive. It does have wifi and we are not limiting the phone at all. The touch screen is one of the best I have ever used. Used a iphone for about 10 minutes and I would say they are about the same as regards to the touch screen performance. The tabbing in the browser is excellent and I had about 5 apps running and it didn't even hiccup. The real question is do I get the Moto or wait for the HTC versions.

Any questions about the phone?

How is the keyboard and the ability to type on it? Does it render websites well? Let's say if your on the web or checking email and want to listen to music, are there shortcuts or buttons you can use to change tracks without haven't to tab into the music player?

Also, do you know if tethering it to your computer will work or what kind of monthly plans Verizon is talking about?

I think we can all basically agree that the iPhone's Safari browser is the current best in the market for smartphones. How does the Droid's compare?

Coworkers who have used an iphone say the browsers are about equal. Having flash work on the droid is an excellent thing.

You mention that there is no block on the wifi, but what about GPS (if there is any, I don't recall reading if there is or not)?

From what I have been told the GPS is not being blocked from third party apps like it was in the original omnia software. I have not tried any 3rd party apps that will use GPS. One of the guys using it said the google maps share your location was working so that others could pick up your location and you could also pick up theirs in google maps.

What about construction, is it a solid phone that can stand up to the day to day beatings it will take over 2 years?

It seemed to be sturdy, no lose plastic parts or gaps any where on the phone.

Have you used an iPhone for only 10 minutes? If you've used it more then that, does it seem like it's an iPhone killer to you? Would you get the iPhone or Droid?

That is the question of the year. I think both phones are excellent. The droid can be so much more with the open source and I think that is the big difference. Also, you will see multiple devices with android, a couple of them very soon. This will give the consumer choices, ie, keyboard or no keyboard, different manufactures of phones, etc.

May I ask how you got to play with the phone today (VZW employee, Moto employee, friend of an employee, etc)?

All I can say is that red flows through my viens.

What would you say the keyboard "feels" most similar to in terms of phones? How responsive is it?

Keyboard is nothing special, pounded away at it, haven't tried the virtual keyboard yet.

Thanks in advanced,
DV

Cheers and you're a lucky bastard! :beer::wine::thumbsup:

 

[gonzaga1751]

optoman can u tell us whats its standalone price is?

 

[Phokus]

wait, are there even any pictures of the droid yet? how the hell are people playing around with it so soon?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Glitchny
well that's cause nobody wants to deal with the flame-war you started and your inability to consider opposing opinions. And this thread was to talk about the droid phone, not to bash/rage about your opinion of mobile java development.

The thread title is "Verizon fires a shot accross the iphone's bow". If you want to rave about Android, Gadgets Gear and Phones is thataway <----

And if you want to stroke off into Steve Jobs' belly button All Things Apple is thataway <----

 

[rockyct]

Thanks for the answers optoman. I'm looking forward to official reviews when it comes out. It appears like there aren't any major flaws on it that would kill it from the start.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Phokus
wait, are there even any pictures of the droid yet? how the hell are people playing around with it so soon?

There've been a number of pictures of it. It was formerly called the Motorola Sholes. Boy Genius Report also had a hands on article on it with a number of pictures.