Verizon may be taking away unlimited data?

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openwheel

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verizon doesnt offer unlimited anymore. some ballshet.. companies tryin to hustle all day.

Of course. Cap data usage to a miserable amount, subsidize phone price, jack up monthly premium, lease tons of retail stores, hires tons of sales personnel, sign up as many people as they can, and spend as little as they can for radio deployment.

Let the profit roll in, especially those data overage charges. $15 for every 1GB. Customers don't care, as long as they have a pretty iPhone with a cute case. Ca Ching! :thumbsup:
 

RampantAndroid

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Of course. Cap data usage to a miserable amount, subsidize phone price, jack up monthly premium, lease tons of retail stores, hires tons of sales personnel, sign up as many people as they can, and spend as little as they can for radio deployment.

Let the profit roll in, especially those data overage charges. $15 for every 1GB. Customers don't care, as long as they have a pretty iPhone with a cute case. Ca Ching! :thumbsup:

As it was explained to me, if you have 2GB for say, $20 and you go over 2GB, you're charged ANOTHER $20 for a new set of 2GB...

What SHOULD be done here is pay for 2GB, if you use it at all up, fine. If not, the cap rolls over and continues to roll. You should be paying for a batch of bytes, not the right to use those bytes.
 

sze5003

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As it was explained to me, if you have 2GB for say, $20 and you go over 2GB, you're charged ANOTHER $20 for a new set of 2GB...

What SHOULD be done here is pay for 2GB, if you use it at all up, fine. If not, the cap rolls over and continues to roll. You should be paying for a batch of bytes, not the right to use those bytes.

Last time I looked at their plans it was about 10-15 bucks for every 1gb you go over. Of course this may have changed with their shared everything plans.
 

hanoverphist

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A couple of years ago I would agree with that, but not now. I see a lot of people using things like Netflix, Google Music, etc. when they are out and about. In times past, those services were pretty much unusable on public wifi which almost always sucks. Now we have nice and fast LTE networks and those services are really usable on the go. Just looking at my usage as an example. I do a fair amount of running throughout the week. I have gone from downloading music onto my phone to simply streaming GMusic. I have to keep a very close eye on my usage to make sure I don't bump over the 2Gb limit. My wife likes to watch TV shows via Netflix or HuLu over 4G as well (although she is so afraid of the data cap she often doesn't do it) and she fits the "average user" almost perfectly.

its funny how people that arent necessarily "power users" become very aware of their data usage when there is a cap involved.

i am the only one in my company that has unlimited data on a phone. my personal line was ported to the work account, it came up with unlimited after the switch. i was ecstatic that i didnt lose it at that point. even tho my work pays the bill, the rest of the managers are all capped and sharing the same pool of data while i can run amok with mine. i burn through about 10gb a month, mostly at work. its actual file downloading, customer connects and research stuff, but at meetings ill have my guys ask me to turn on my hotspot so they can use my data. i also let my kids and friends use it when out and about, as well as use it while traveling and staying in hotels with shitty wifi. i really hope that doesnt go away, but if it does i'll end up throttling back my usage. i dont have the luxury of carrier hopping, sincemy company pays the bill, so ill have to deal with whatever they decide.
 

OBLAMA2009

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i got a text on the 14th and 15 asking me to call verizon. i thought it was maybe cuz i use too much data, but maybe they were going to try to talk customers onto this. id never give up unlimited
 

sze5003

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I think there has been a 800 number calling me for a while now. This could be them but I don't answer since I'm not switching to sign another contract and losing data.
 

jdoggg12

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I've stayed with my $100/mo plan with 450 min, unlim txt and unlim data because of the unlimited data. I used to use 2-4GB month until I learned that I could tether without paying extra, thanks to the stipulations of their LTE bandwidth purchase from the government. I called VZW to verify that I could tether without having to buy the "tethering plan"... they said "We highly recommend you purchase our tethering service b/c we cannot guarantee the service/quality of 3rd party apps" I thanked them right then and there and purchased FoxFi and a Nexus 7 (WiFi only)... I've been using 25-35GB monthly ever since. Wherever I go, I'm watching Netflix, youtube, or streaming music. I only use 3-400 texts a month and probably 100 voice minutes or less. I don't let my friends tether off of me because, while I'd like to use the service to its potential, I don't want to abuse it.

I've not noticed throttling if they're doing it. And I'm fully willing to pay full price for my next phone (likely LG G2 or S5) to stay on the grandfathered unlimited plan. I'm not excited about it, but it is what it is, I guess.

As soon as unlimited data is taken away I will be switching carriers. Until then, they've got a loyal customer.

Pics of bandwidth meter: http://imgur.com/a/0W10E#0
 

Brian Stirling

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I always find the posts that say "just upgrade the infrastructure" humorous. The notion that it's just the flick of the switch to light up new spectrum is far from the truth. On top of the eNodeB manufacturers supporting the newer spectrum, you also have to get that other part of the RF equation: antennas.

You see anytime a company wants to hang a new antenna, the landlord generally tries to escalate the rent from anywhere between 50% to 300%. On top of that, if the structure (monopole, lattice, guylined tower) cannot handle the increased load with the antennas you are going to hang, the carrier proposing the lease amendment gets to pay all the structural costs so the tower /edifice can meet specs.
Now, the larger two carriers have ~40,000 to 50,000k cellsites. Imagine the rent escalation alone (recurring monthly cost) over a span of 10 years. Mind you, this even before the costs of adding any actual call processing equipment in the shelter itself. In some cases, there just isn't enough room inside the shelter, and it has to be augmented, further increasing your construction costs. Even the microcell solutions have their space/leasing costs, and Ethernet backhaul considerations.

You also just can't land sites wily-nily and expect them to work. SNR is critical for good throughput performance. One mention above was system of small cells along a highway. That will never be a reality due to the small RF footprint given by small cells. You'd spend more time handing over between small cells at any decent amount of speed that you'd be consuming data.

In building systems generally aren't worth the cost expense to do on a large scale, as it's such a small amount of users. To design a decent in building system (SISO only) for a 9 story building you will probably look in the ballpark of 1 million. Easily double that if you want a MIMO system.

Micro cells along a highway would eat up some bandwidth as a cars moves from cell to cell, but much of that can be done outside of RF -- the network can feed forward without wasting much wireless bandwidth. In addition, many highways, particularly in urban areas where micro cellular is most needed, also have high density housing along the highways that can be served without handoff.

Yes, deploying micro cells in buildings will not be cheap, I mentioned this already, but openwheel does not seem to care about this and believes the carriers are simply pocketing our money and not spending on infrastructure -- he's dead wrong, but if you want to justify wasting data I guess you can try and avoid the facts.

The FCC may open up some of the UHF spectrum now being used for TV and if that happens it should help, but how will that spectrum be divvied up between the carriers -- not going to happen for quite some time and even if it did the total increase in bandwidth will be modest.


Brian
 

s44

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The FCC may open up some of the UHF spectrum now being used for TV and if that happens it should help, but how will that spectrum be divvied up between the carriers -- not going to happen for quite some time and even if it did the total increase in bandwidth will be modest.
Look up "600mhz auction". It's huge, and it's next year.
 

Brian Stirling

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Look up "600mhz auction". It's huge, and it's next year.

I'm aware of the auction but doubt we'll see any benefit for years.

The amount of increase in total cellular bandwidth will not be great though the lower frequencies may be better for building penetration.

It looks like this is going to be on a region/town by region/town basis so that ATT may get the spectrum in Brooklyn and Verizon in Manhattan so there maybe places where one company benefits while the other doesn't.

But, again, the total increase in bandwidth will be overwhelmed by ever increasing data demands by there customers. Let say we begin to see this in three years, at the current rate of data demand growth the available bandwidth will grow less so we'll be worse off then we are now and things are getting pretty bad now.

That someone could come here and say many customers streaming movies has no impact on the user experience is just sad. Here's the deal ... 1000+1000+1000+1000 does not equal 2.


Brian
 

Ackmed

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Ok, so I am very confused. I am grandfathered in to the unlimited data plan. My contract is up in like 2 months. I bought a new phone a few months ago after dropping mine into the Nile river. They tried to get me on some new plan with 6gb of data, but I told them no I wanted to buy a phone out right to keep my data.

Am I going to lose it? I use over 6gb every month. Mostly on The Chive and Pandora... I don't want to lose it.
 

sze5003

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Ok, so I am very confused. I am grandfathered in to the unlimited data plan. My contract is up in like 2 months. I bought a new phone a few months ago after dropping mine into the Nile river. They tried to get me on some new plan with 6gb of data, but I told them no I wanted to buy a phone out right to keep my data.

Am I going to lose it? I use over 6gb every month. Mostly on The Chive and Pandora... I don't want to lose it.

As long as you bought the phone out right and they didn't do anything to your account when you purchase the phone, then you still have unlimited data. Check your account to make sure.
 

jdoggg12

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I wouldnt assume that they kept you on unlimited data... I've heard of them "slipping" changes to plans as they migrate the account to a new one. Then, surprise surprise, they can't go back to their old unlimited plan. Always confirm that you want to stay on the data plan you've been on if you make any changes that will affect your account.

That said, you're probably fine... but it's always good to be sure
 

sze5003

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Thats why I never buy a phone in store where they have to activate it. I buy it third party with clean esn that way all I need is another sim card. I usually take my two phones and tell them I'm replacing the old one with this new phone and they me a new SIM card if the Sims are different.
 

Frankie

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As it was explained to me, if you have 2GB for say, $20 and you go over 2GB, you're charged ANOTHER $20 for a new set of 2GB...

What SHOULD be done here is pay for 2GB, if you use it at all up, fine. If not, the cap rolls over and continues to roll. You should be paying for a batch of bytes, not the right to use those bytes.

I just had it happen recently where I went over a 5gb data cap and Verizon charged me $10 per gig over that cap. That's with a Verizon Hot Spot so I'm not sure if it's different with phones or not.

I had a 2gb plan on my phone and they upped it to 3gb, for the same price as 2gb. I would rarely use more than that unless I'm streaming video on my Phone, which I've only done once, or hours of audio which I hardly do.

My brother has a grandfathered unlimited data on his phone but his phone is so old it barely works without crashing half the time. When he upgrades phones they will force him off the unlimited data.
 

Red Storm

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My brother has a grandfathered unlimited data on his phone but his phone is so old it barely works without crashing half the time. When he upgrades phones they will force him off the unlimited data.

Tell him to buy a used phone off of Swappa or Craigslist. Cheaper, and he keeps his unlimited data.
 
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