Very impressed with Pentium D 920 Overclocking! Pentium D 920 (2.8Ghz@4.0Ghz)

[Regs]

Originally posted by: robertk2012

Originally posted by: Regs
That's one hell of an overclock. I'm a modest overclocker to say the least. Pushing the envelope on overclocking means spending money on a good cooling system. Something I fail to see the logic in. It basically means that you want to push whatever you can out of a CPU without killing it instantlly.

It's a good over clock, however you might run into instability in the future.

Who the heck is this guy?

I have more power than a $1000 processor yet only spent less than $300.

Sorry, I just don't see the need to overclock a perfectly good CPU to hell and gone. However I salute others who take the risk and succeed.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: Regs
That's one hell of an overclock. I'm a modest overclocker to say the least. Pushing the envelope on overclocking means spending money on a good cooling system. Something I fail to see the logic in. It basically means that you want to push whatever you can out of a CPU without killing it instantlly.

It's a good over clock, however you might run into instability in the future.

Spending money on a good cooling system will extend the lifetime of any component, overclocked or not. Plus I like to keep a quiet system, so the $40 (original price I paid) I spent on the Zalman 7700Cu, which has cooled five different processors across three different motherboards, is a small price to pay for silence and excellent cooling.

Another good point for me is, a single core was doing everything I wanted to do just fine at 4.0Ghz. However, if I can get 4.0Ghz out of a dual core, which doesn't run any slower in single threaded programs, then I am a happy camper getting the best of both worlds. I waited quite awhile (for me anyway) to upgrade simply because the dual core CPUs at stock aren't as fast in most applications as their single core analogs which were/are (haven't ever OCed a 65nm Cedar Mill) able to reach higher clock speeds.

Finally, I seriously doubt I will have any stability issues with this setup. Since my original post I've been running two instances of Folding@Home continuously and using my computer to do everyday tasks without any issues. I am pretty conservative with what I consider a stable system. Testing methodology includes running Memtest 3.2 overnight to check for memory errors at the FSB I'm using, then booting into XP and running Folding@Home, Prime95, compressing several small files into a WinRAR archive, and running Ad-Aware, Spybot, and AVG Anti-Virus scanners all at once for at least 12hours. After that I loop 3DMark05 for 99 times and check for any graphics anomalies. I will then leave Folding@Home running and run ATI Tool's artifact scanner (the fuzzy cube thing) for at least 24hours and use the system normally to make sure there are no hickups. Essentially I put the system through Hell and back to make sure it is rock solid stable even under the worst of the worst possible condtions.

 

[Regs]

That is excellent news Golgatha. Hopefully the large over clock and performance boost can live out the term of your choosing for that processor.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: Absolute0
That is so exaggerated it's just pathetic
P5LD2 is 117$ and DFI NF4 Ultra-D is the same price, both overclock pretty well...

Anyway, the point of my original post was that it's pathetic how someone showing off their overclock has turned into blatant Intel bashing. The last 3 years have spawned a generation of super AMD fanboys. I've owned 20 AMD 64s and like 1 P4 and i'm not so mean and arrogant on the issue... : /

I tried a P5LD2, it's not a good overclocker. I couldn't get past 223mhz FSB unless I overclocked the PCIe bus, which caused the entire system to become unstable..the only good OC's on the 9xx series have been on $200+ motherboards.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Absolute0
That is so exaggerated it's just pathetic
P5LD2 is 117$ and DFI NF4 Ultra-D is the same price, both overclock pretty well...

Anyway, the point of my original post was that it's pathetic how someone showing off their overclock has turned into blatant Intel bashing. The last 3 years have spawned a generation of super AMD fanboys. I've owned 20 AMD 64s and like 1 P4 and i'm not so mean and arrogant on the issue... : /

I tried a P5LD2, it's not a good overclocker. I couldn't get past 223mhz FSB unless I overclocked the PCIe bus, which caused the entire system to become unstable..the only good OC's on the 9xx series have been on $200+ motherboards.

And I have an 805. It won;t run past stock speed at full load on the retail HSF. I now have to go and buy a $50 HSF, to get any OC, otherwise the system runs past the max 69c, and shuts down. My 3800X2 is OC'ed on the retail all-aluminum HSF, and runs 50-55c, full load both cores. So you have motherboard cost and cooling cost NEITHER of which are required for the 3800 X2 or the Opteron 165,170, etc.. And the X2's OC on $60-$80 motherboards.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Absolute0
That is so exaggerated it's just pathetic
P5LD2 is 117$ and DFI NF4 Ultra-D is the same price, both overclock pretty well...

Anyway, the point of my original post was that it's pathetic how someone showing off their overclock has turned into blatant Intel bashing. The last 3 years have spawned a generation of super AMD fanboys. I've owned 20 AMD 64s and like 1 P4 and i'm not so mean and arrogant on the issue... : /

I tried a P5LD2, it's not a good overclocker. I couldn't get past 223mhz FSB unless I overclocked the PCIe bus, which caused the entire system to become unstable..the only good OC's on the 9xx series have been on $200+ motherboards.

And I have an 805. It won;t run past stock speed at full load on the retail HSF. I now have to go and buy a $50 HSF, to get any OC, otherwise the system runs past the max 69c, and shuts down. My 3800X2 is OC'ed on the retail all-aluminum HSF, and runs 50-55c, full load both cores. So you have motherboard cost and cooling cost NEITHER of which are required for the 3800 X2 or the Opteron 165,170, etc.. And the X2's OC on $60-$80 motherboards.

Your 805 is not a 920 and this is not an AMD vs Intel thread.

 

[Golgatha]

I don't know why there is a bunch of talk about the 805 on this thread? The 805 is designed to run at 2.66Ghz on a 533Mhz (effective) FSB and is manufactured on a 90nm process. If you're running the 805 at 223Mhz (892Mhz effective), then you're trying to hit 4.4Ghz unless you're limiting the multiplier or have an unlocked chip. If the 805 hits 3.8Ghz, as someone else stated in this thread, then that is quite impressive as well; especially on a 90nm based chip. Oh, and my overclock is actually ~43% not 40% on the 920 .

 

[Regs]

Hey, you guys are forgetting about us poor folks stuck on PC3200 ram. RAM is the most expensive part of any over clocking equation. I'm running my 400Mhz overclocker on a 5:3 divider and proud of it with my one gig of 100 dollar PC3200 Corsair value select RAM. One gig of decent ram that's worth over clocking is 200+ dollars at the least!

So I got a 23% over clock for free. :> |~

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Golgatha
I don't know why there is a bunch of talk about the 805 on this thread? The 805 is designed to run at 2.66Ghz on a 533Mhz (effective) FSB and is manufactured on a 90nm process. If you're running the 805 at 223Mhz (892Mhz effective), then you're trying to hit 4.4Ghz unless you're limiting the multiplier or have an unlocked chip. If the 805 hits 3.8Ghz, as someone else stated in this thread, then that is quite impressive as well; especially on a 90nm based chip. Oh, and my overclock is actually ~43% not 40% on the 920 .

Two issues, some with 805, some with 920, both related to the same series, they share problems. Both require exspensive motherboards to OC well, both require better than Retail colling to OC well, and both are not a good bang/buck compared to X2's once you add in the required extra cost items. The 920's are cooler, and more exspensive, but other than that, they have the same problems on value and OC'ing.

 

[Absolute0]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Absolute0
That is so exaggerated it's just pathetic
P5LD2 is 117$ and DFI NF4 Ultra-D is the same price, both overclock pretty well...

Anyway, the point of my original post was that it's pathetic how someone showing off their overclock has turned into blatant Intel bashing. The last 3 years have spawned a generation of super AMD fanboys. I've owned 20 AMD 64s and like 1 P4 and i'm not so mean and arrogant on the issue... : /

I tried a P5LD2, it's not a good overclocker. I couldn't get past 223mhz FSB unless I overclocked the PCIe bus, which caused the entire system to become unstable..the only good OC's on the 9xx series have been on $200+ motherboards.

Well i know a guy who's got a P5LD2 and he runs a 630 @ 4 Ghz on aircooling with stock volts and he's gone past 4.2 on it.

As for the 805, as i said my roommate's does 3.8 Ghz on air, and it's just over stock volts. With real volts it will prime at 4 Ghz, but it starts getting toasty.

3.8 Ghz outta a 130$ chip is pretty good... see comparing this to a 3800+, getting the 805D gives him an extra 150$ for the rest of the computer, which makes a difference when the budget is 700$.
Why do people insist on comparing these to 3800+s and 165s? They are over twice the cost of the 805D. And the motherboard and cooling cost isn't THAT much more, and equivalent clocking Intel motherboard might cost what, 30$ more? And an upgraded hsf for each is the same...

The bottom line is there ARE people trying to build computers that are on a budget and a 130$ or a 200$ dual core processor with decent overclocking abilties has some appeal.


Let me do a breakdown on the main components in my roommate's computer
805D - 130$
P5WD2 motherboard 150$
Scythe Ninja 50$
total = 330$

AMD dual core route equaling 330$
3800+ X2 295$
motherboard 45$
cooling: none

So........... what else do i have to explain.

 

[Golgatha]

In my case it is...

Buy 920 + P5WD2 for $350 used.
Sell P4 660 and Gigabyte 955X Royal.
Reuse Zalman 7700Cu for cooling. (IMO stock Intel coolers are a POS).

Most likely spend less than $50 for a second 4.0Ghz core and get to try out Crossfired X1800XTs in the process. Made sense to me...

 

[Absolute0]

Good buys. Can we expect any scores soon?

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: Absolute0
Good buys. Can we expect any scores soon?

What scores would you like to know?

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

My P-D 805 runs fine on a cheap motherboard (Biostar PT880 AC7) for about $60 and some cheap ram PC3200 TwinMOS. I'm able to run it at 3.0GHz at default voltage and stock HSF. Tried to go higher, but RAM is holding it back. Using stock heatsink and the temp hasn't reached above 50C. Used two instances of Prime (they use different core) for about 2 hours and the max temp was about 48C. Room temp is about 20C currently. Might be the humidity in Seattle. .

Got a CPU (on sale) + Mobo + Nice Case + RAM = $210. Not too bad for a budget dual core.

 

[Absolute0]

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: Absolute0
Good buys. Can we expect any scores soon?

What scores would you like to know?

3dmark05 on the crossfire

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Absolute0
That is so exaggerated it's just pathetic
P5LD2 is 117$ and DFI NF4 Ultra-D is the same price, both overclock pretty well...

Anyway, the point of my original post was that it's pathetic how someone showing off their overclock has turned into blatant Intel bashing. The last 3 years have spawned a generation of super AMD fanboys. I've owned 20 AMD 64s and like 1 P4 and i'm not so mean and arrogant on the issue... : /

Funny

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Absolute0
That is so exaggerated it's just pathetic
P5LD2 is 117$ and DFI NF4 Ultra-D is the same price, both overclock pretty well...

Anyway, the point of my original post was that it's pathetic how someone showing off their overclock has turned into blatant Intel bashing. The last 3 years have spawned a generation of super AMD fanboys. I've owned 20 AMD 64s and like 1 P4 and i'm not so mean and arrogant on the issue... : /

I tried a P5LD2, it's not a good overclocker. I couldn't get past 223mhz FSB unless I overclocked the PCIe bus, which caused the entire system to become unstable..the only good OC's on the 9xx series have been on $200+ motherboards.

And I have an 805. It won;t run past stock speed at full load on the retail HSF. I now have to go and buy a $50 HSF, to get any OC, otherwise the system runs past the max 69c, and shuts down. My 3800X2 is OC'ed on the retail all-aluminum HSF, and runs 50-55c, full load both cores. So you have motherboard cost and cooling cost NEITHER of which are required for the 3800 X2 or the Opteron 165,170, etc.. And the X2's OC on $60-$80 motherboards.

Can you please tell me how ANY of that is relevant in a thread about a 920 which some started to proudly show of his not unreasonable overclock? We know x2s/optys are better value, stop threadcrapping.

EDIT: i came off as a bit harsh there, but it is true, we are ALL very well aware that x2s/optys are better value for overclocking/performance, and you come across as a rabid fanboy who loves pissing on people's parades doing this in every thread people make about overclocking their intel chips...

It's like jumping into every thread someone makes about their car in OT and saying 'omg look at me, my car is cheaper, faster, and runs on camel farts!, you are a total loser because you got that one instead!!!!elevenone!11!', it's not particularly relevant to the topic, you come off as a jerk, and it doesn't contribute to the forums in any constructive or positive way.

 

[Markfw]

Yes, I can tell you how its relevant, and I already did here :

Two issues, some with 805, some with 920, both related to the same series, they share problems. Both require exspensive motherboards to OC well, both require better than Retail colling to OC well, and both are not a good bang/buck compared to X2's once you add in the required extra cost items. The 920's are cooler, and more exspensive, but other than that, they have the same problems on value and OC'ing.

And stevty agrees with me, and posted in this thread several times. Its nice to get a good OC, but at what total cost ? Nebies want the total picture, not just something taken out of context, as in ignoring the total picture.

As to you insults, you might try not coming off as a child by including the numerical comments, and the made up quotes. Also try reading the whole thread, as stevty and I have posted several time the total reasons for our comments. I am not the only one that feels this way.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: Absolute0

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: Absolute0
Good buys. Can we expect any scores soon?

What scores would you like to know?

3dmark05 on the crossfire

10,572 when I was overclocked to 3.73Ghz with Crossfired X1800XTs running stock clocks.

8598 with single X1800XT (630/800) and CPU running at current 4.0Ghz. Had some trouble with Crossfire in 2D mode (see here) on a CRT, so I'm going to get a single X1900XT (arrives today!) and see what that gets me.

 

[Markbnj]

Yes, I can tell you how its relevant, and I already did here :

Sorry, it's not relevant. If the OP had posted a performance comparison, it would be relevant. What he posted was just a "Look at what I got out of this chip" thread like dozens of others that get posted here every month.

So yes, this is threadcrapping.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Markbnj

Yes, I can tell you how its relevant, and I already did here :

Sorry, it's not relevant. If the OP had posted a performance comparison, it would be relevant. What he posted was just a "Look at what I got out of this chip" thread like dozens of others that get posted here every month.

So yes, this is threadcrapping.

Well, I disagree. I think it is relevant, since nobody ever posts all the hardware, the costs for it, etc.. to get to it. So a person coming in reading this thread without all the facts might go out, but the retail 920, a $60 motherboard, and get pissed when they don't get the same results. So I am trying to nicely point out these facts which NOBODY except a select few nonfanboys wish to hear about. Its like saying "gee I got this nice yugo that goes from 0-60 in 3 seconds" without mentioning that you put a ferrari engine in it to get there. It mentions a nice $200 cpu, no mention of the $200 mobo to get there. It does mention the Zalmann, and I an Stevty know you need at least $50 HSF to get a good OC.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Markbnj

Yes, I can tell you how its relevant, and I already did here :

Sorry, it's not relevant. If the OP had posted a performance comparison, it would be relevant. What he posted was just a "Look at what I got out of this chip" thread like dozens of others that get posted here every month.

So yes, this is threadcrapping.

Well, I disagree. I think it is relevant, since nobody ever posts all the hardware, the costs for it, etc.. to get to it. So a person coming in reading this thread without all the facts might go out, but the retail 920, a $60 motherboard, and get pissed when they don't get the same results. So I am trying to nicely point out these facts which NOBODY except a select few nonfanboys wish to hear about. Its like saying "gee I got this nice yugo that goes from 0-60 in 3 seconds" without mentioning that you put a ferrari engine in it to get there. It mentions a nice $200 cpu, no mention of the $200 mobo to get there. It does mention the Zalmann, and I an Stevty know you need at least $50 HSF to get a good OC.

You threadcrap in every thread that people post about their intel overclocks it seems recently. You are the one who comes accross as the fanboy, not the people proudly showing off their o'c/letting people know how these chips o'c, or the people who wish you wouldn't litter these threads with stuff we are all very well aware of.

These people, for whatever reason, have intel chips, and have decided to overclock them. They don't need you coming in and behaving exactly as my made up bolded quote earlier suggest...you don't see behaviour like that OT or video when some posts about their new toy/gpu overclock...

Your pricing info is helpful & important, but not in this thread. Why not make your own thread loudly decrying the problems with overclocking intel cpu's to warn people? You could even ask to get it stickied, tho good luck with that.

EDIT: i'll give you another example, just to give you an idea of how rude you are being

Someone posts a thread about their new TV in OT. With pics. And it's a really nice tv. You immediately chime in that it's awful value, that it uses 8 times as much power as another model, and that the other model is even better in certain areas. That person is very happy with their new tv, as would be 98% of the population. End result: People think you are a jerk, ask you to stop threadcrapping & raining on people's parades.

That would happen, and that contex is in no way different to this one.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Markbnj

Yes, I can tell you how its relevant, and I already did here :

Sorry, it's not relevant. If the OP had posted a performance comparison, it would be relevant. What he posted was just a "Look at what I got out of this chip" thread like dozens of others that get posted here every month.

So yes, this is threadcrapping.

Well, I disagree. I think it is relevant, since nobody ever posts all the hardware, the costs for it, etc.. to get to it. So a person coming in reading this thread without all the facts might go out, but the retail 920, a $60 motherboard, and get pissed when they don't get the same results. So I am trying to nicely point out these facts which NOBODY except a select few nonfanboys wish to hear about. Its like saying "gee I got this nice yugo that goes from 0-60 in 3 seconds" without mentioning that you put a ferrari engine in it to get there. It mentions a nice $200 cpu, no mention of the $200 mobo to get there. It does mention the Zalmann, and I an Stevty know you need at least $50 HSF to get a good OC.

There, I updated with the motherboard and RAM I'm using. I mentioned further down that I have an Enermax 620w power supply, but that was needed mainly for the Crossfired X1800XTs I was running. The comments have gotten way out of hand in this thread. My only intent really was to say I was extremely happy with the OC I got on 65nm tech from Intel and give anyone passing through some information on where to start with their overclocking attempts. I myself was pretty in the dark on what kind of voltage was needed or what the chips are capable of, and figured I would post the info publicly so someone else might have a starting point.

I'm glad you're happy with your AMD, so please go start another thread about how well your AMD overclocked for you and give the community some useful information.

 

[Regs]

You have to pick and choose your battles in these forums. No battle belongs here, I agree. For example, someone could likely obtain the same over clock using a 120 dollar motherboard with a quality 430watt PSU. Over clocking was always considered a hit or miss opportunity. Not everybody can obtain the same over clock, however someone willing to show an over clock such as this shows at least some good odds of achieving it.

 

[Absolute0]

Mark, you're coming off as saying
"In an Intel overclocking thread, it's necessary to remind everybody how much better AMD is."
Which is pretty lame.....

Golgatha, 10,500 seems low for X1800XT crossfire, i was able to hit that with a single 7900GT unmodded. And ATi seems to do better in 3dmark05. What drivers are you using? I think it ran below your potential for some reason.

Well we'll see how the X1900 does, single one should hit around 11k.