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[swifty3]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
ok so who attacked the Germans?

according to this post, this was the reasoning employed to get the German people behind the war, so who did they tell them had attacked Germany?

The germans staged an attack on the border of Poland after taking over the Rhineland, Austria, and Checzoslvakia. The Germans crossed the border, executed a bunch of prisoners, and put Polish uniforms on them and said that Germany was being invaded pre-emptively by the Poles, and that was the real beginning of WW2. No Kidding. If you want more info, read "The rise and fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer. Very informative.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: swifty3
?Why of course the people don?t want war. ... That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.?

Pretty much sums up what our leader is doing.

 

[swifty3]

 

[swifty3]

Originally posted by: BaDaBooM

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Ok so all the countries that are behind us mean nothing?

gee i am sure they would love to hear that.

And no it wasn't just the fact that the Jews were a threat. They also convinced thier people that they were the "super race" and they wanted to dominate the world.

So tell me how have we shown that?


Sorry to shed light on your misinformation but that hatered was already there for this country.

Funny how no one replied to this as Wheezer nailed the flaw in your logic. Guess what some of the United States and other European leaders said during that same time. They told their people that they were going to be attacked, and that those that didn't want to act were exposing their country to danger and lacking patriotism. (These were leaders that were warning of Hitler before he invaded the Rhineland; i.e. when they could have stopped him without the WW). There are far more actions that must be taken to accomplish the kinds of things that Hitler did. Your comparison is null and void.

What the hell are you talking about? Which leaders were warning America and Europe that Hitler was going to attack? Churchill was the only one that I can think of, and no one was listening to him at the time. No one predicted or forsaw or could have forseen what was to take place in the days before WW2, and after.
The problem, was that Europe was willing to settle for peace at any price, mostly because they still felt the pain of a world war not 25 years previous, and because Hitler was telling the world exactly what they wanted to hear. Funny, but most countries are not willing to embrace war without resolute justification.

And I have no idea, (and I don't think you do either) what "far more actions" must be taken to accomplish what Hitler did. Pull your foot out of your mouth!

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: swifty3

Originally posted by: BaDaBooM

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Ok so all the countries that are behind us mean nothing?

gee i am sure they would love to hear that.

And no it wasn't just the fact that the Jews were a threat. They also convinced thier people that they were the "super race" and they wanted to dominate the world.

So tell me how have we shown that?


Sorry to shed light on your misinformation but that hatered was already there for this country.

Funny how no one replied to this as Wheezer nailed the flaw in your logic. Guess what some of the United States and other European leaders said during that same time. They told their people that they were going to be attacked, and that those that didn't want to act were exposing their country to danger and lacking patriotism. (These were leaders that were warning of Hitler before he invaded the Rhineland; i.e. when they could have stopped him without the WW). There are far more actions that must be taken to accomplish the kinds of things that Hitler did. Your comparison is null and void.

What the hell are you talking about? Which leaders were warning America and Europe that Hitler was going to attack? Churchill was the only one that I can think of, and no one was listening to him at the time. No one predicted or forsaw or could have forseen what was to take place in the days before WW2, and after.
The problem, was that Europe was willing to settle for peace at any price, mostly because they still felt the pain of a world war not 25 years previous, and because Hitler was telling the world exactly what they wanted to hear. Funny, but most countries are not willing to embrace war without resolute justification.

And I have no idea, (and I don't think you do either) what "far more actions" must be taken to accomplish what Hitler did. Pull your foot out of your mouth!

OK re-read what you have written.

Churchill was the only one that I can think of, and no one was listening to him at the time. No one predicted or forsaw or could have forseen what was to take place in the days before WW2, and after.

So knowing FULL WELL what did happen you think our entrance to WWII was right or wrong?

The same is being said now by our leader, and the leader before him, but yet you do not listen.

So you think we should wait again and see what happens?

This whole WWII thing brings me to a point.

Who attacked us in WWII it was not Germany. So why go to Europe?

Germany did not bomb Pearl Harbor...forget the fact that FDR may or may not have known that is another issue entirely.

We went becasue it was the right thing to do. Not until after the war did we learn of the concentration camps THEN we knew for sure it was the right thing to do.

And that brings me to "far more actions"

Show me where we have commited genocide on the scale Hitler did.

your original post seems to indicate that you want to associate Nazi Germany with the current administration.

 

[swifty3]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: swifty3

Originally posted by: BaDaBooM

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Ok so all the countries that are behind us mean nothing?

gee i am sure they would love to hear that.

And no it wasn't just the fact that the Jews were a threat. They also convinced thier people that they were the "super race" and they wanted to dominate the world.

So tell me how have we shown that?


Sorry to shed light on your misinformation but that hatered was already there for this country.

Funny how no one replied to this as Wheezer nailed the flaw in your logic. Guess what some of the United States and other European leaders said during that same time. They told their people that they were going to be attacked, and that those that didn't want to act were exposing their country to danger and lacking patriotism. (These were leaders that were warning of Hitler before he invaded the Rhineland; i.e. when they could have stopped him without the WW). There are far more actions that must be taken to accomplish the kinds of things that Hitler did. Your comparison is null and void.

What the hell are you talking about? Which leaders were warning America and Europe that Hitler was going to attack? Churchill was the only one that I can think of, and no one was listening to him at the time. No one predicted or forsaw or could have forseen what was to take place in the days before WW2, and after.
The problem, was that Europe was willing to settle for peace at any price, mostly because they still felt the pain of a world war not 25 years previous, and because Hitler was telling the world exactly what they wanted to hear. Funny, but most countries are not willing to embrace war without resolute justification.

And I have no idea, (and I don't think you do either) what "far more actions" must be taken to accomplish what Hitler did. Pull your foot out of your mouth!

OK re-read what you have written.

Churchill was the only one that I can think of, and no one was listening to him at the time. No one predicted or forsaw or could have forseen what was to take place in the days before WW2, and after.

So knowing FULL WELL what did happen you think our entrance to WWII was right or wrong?

The same is being said now by our leader, and the leader before him, but yet you do not listen.

So you think we should wait again and see what happens?

This whole WWII thing brings me to a point.

Who attacked us in WWII it was not Germany. So why go to Europe?

Germany did not bomb Pearl Harbor...forget the fact that FDR may or may not have known that is another issue entirely.

We went becasue it was the right thing to do. Not until after the war did we learn of the concentration camps THEN we knew for sure it was the right thing to do.

And that brings me to "far more actions"

Show me where we have commited genocide on the scale Hitler did.

your original post seems to indicate that you want to associate Nazi Germany with the current administration.

Sigh...so many inconsistancies to correct.

-First, we did not "go to europe" after pearl harbor. We declared war on the Axis Power. Japan AND Germany AND Italy. The 3 were not different causes. Besides, Japan and Italy were not the real threat. Germany was.

-Second, we always knew it was the right thing to do, and we did not get DIRECTLY involved until we were attacked. We were INDIRECTLY supporting england with supplies and weapons right from the start, and our navy actually sunk several german U boats well before pearl harbor.

-And you are wrong about the concentration camps. We knew about them, and the government actually contemplated bombing Auschwitz and some of the other large camps, just to put the captives out of their misery. But the government just couldn't bring itself to kill innocent war victims, even though it would have eased their suffering.

-Thirdly, I never said the US has committed any acts of genocide. And I never made any associtations between Nazi's and Bush. Why don't you READ the fvckin posts here. The original post, if anything, draws conclusions about a government persuading its population for war. Try READING the origianl quote for once.



?Why of course the people don?t want war. ... That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.? Hermann Goering. Field Marshall of the Luftwaffe

 

[Tiger]

Or quite possibly its just not as simple as "your with us or againt us". Perhaps not everyone was convinced of the legitimacy of a pre-emptive strike on a soveriegn nation. Perhaps some people feel that war is a last resort, and a sign of failure of all other avenues and solutions

Or those opposed to the war are just a bunch of gutless appeasers who would rather leave a madman in power and in possesion of WMD's, than do what needs to be done.
Leaving Saddam in power and in possesion of WMD is either right or wrong. There is no comfortable little gray fence to sit on.

 

[B00ne]

Well there was a reason to enter the war in Europe - after all german subs sunk a(or more dunno) civilian liner killing many ppl in the process... - after that the US declared war on germany (or maybe the other way around dont remember)

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Ok so all the countries that are behind us mean nothing?

gee i am sure they would love to hear that.

And no it wasn't just the fact that the Jews were a threat. They also convinced thier people that they were the "super race" and they wanted to dominate the world.

So tell me how have we shown that?

Well I am always told here that America is superior, and I have witnessed that American largely think they are superior, and they act in the moment as if they were superior and do not need obey laws and international order. And they think (at least say) they are Gods chosen ppl on a mission from God (Bush, similar anyway). Now u tell me that is not similar thinking too the Super Race....?

btw, the Jews were not a threat and that is a fact, but a scapegoat used by the Nazis

 

[Wheezer]

Superior race...no

Superior country..yes..you tell me another country in history that has made as much progress as this one in it's 227 year history.

btw, the Jews were not a threat and that is a fact, but a scapegoat used by the Nazis

umm...duh..I know they were not a threat. but the Hitler made them seem that way by making them a scapegoat for all the problems of the Geman people..i.e a "threat"

 

[Wheezer]

Thirdly, I never said the US has committed any acts of genocide. And I never made any associtations between Nazi's and Bush. Why don't you READ the fvckin posts here. The original post, if anything, draws conclusions about a government persuading its population for war. Try READING the origianl quote for once.

I did read the original post. What is your point then if you are not trying to make some kind of association betwen this administration and the Third Reich?

Either that or those of us that belive in this conflict are mindless zombies that feed into everything without doing our own soul searching and thinking about what is going on around us, and that we belive without question that what our goverment is doing is right.

is that your point of the post?

because if it is then you are no better than the man you are quoting becasue you feel that you are superior, you are able to see though the smoke screen, while the rest of us are sheep, you and those like minded people around you are the hearders that must show us the way, we must be made to see the light.

So tell me what the fvck was your point?

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Superior race...no

Superior country..yes..you tell me another country in history that has made as much progress as this one in it's 227 year history.

Germany - in the last 50 years - or any part of central Europe that was devastated 50years ago
not to take away from the progress your country has made, but to call it superior to me sounds like the same mindset as the superior race.

Also, dont forget that Americas progress (economic) was build on slavery and expansion in the beginning and global domination (of the dollar) after WW1/2.

I see Americas progress more along the lines of its democracy and the export of it after WW2

 

[steell]

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Superior race...no

Superior country..yes..you tell me another country in history that has made as much progress as this one in it's 227 year history.

Germany - in the last 50 years - or any part of central Europe that was devastated 50years ago
not to take away from the progress your country has made, but to call it superior to me sounds like the same mindset as the superior race.

Also, dont forget that Americas progress (economic) was build on slavery and expansion in the beginning and global domination (of the dollar) after WW1/2.

I see Americas progress more along the lines of its democracy and the export of it after WW2

And don't forget abou Japan (and who started Germany and Japan on the right road). I think you can agree that the US is Militarily superior to everyone else right now, I am not so sure about economically.
Other than that, I think everything is pretty subjective, and nationalism/culturalism takes over.

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Yeah I figured that but I to make sure that was the meaning of the idiot post.

You see there is one big difference....We haven't baked millions of people in ovens in an attempt at genocide.

So again I ask wtf is the point?

owned...

Ryan

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Superior race...no

Superior country..yes..you tell me another country in history that has made as much progress as this one in it's 227 year history.

Germany - in the last 50 years - or any part of central Europe that was devastated 50years ago
not to take away from the progress your country has made, but to call it superior to me sounds like the same mindset as the superior race.

Also, dont forget that Americas progress (economic) was build on slavery and expansion in the beginning and global domination (of the dollar) after WW1/2.

I see Americas progress more along the lines of its democracy and the export of it after WW2

Ok they rebuilt WITH OUR HELP. Without us they would not be where they are today.

Name me one civilization that was built WITHOUT slave labor.

Do we have short comings? Hell yes we do...there are people STARVING in our streets..the most powerful nation in the world has people die everyday because the have no food. Sad indeed. and that is just one.

But yet people still fight thier way to get here. why? because we offer more opportunity than anywhere else in the world. You don't need to be born here to succeed. Our progress was not built buy our own hand. It took many, people from this country and from abroad.

People have more rights here than anywhere else in the world. In your country for example some video games are banned because of content.

The exportation of democracy? yes many countries try to follow our example..yours for one. there must be a reason for that don't you think?

I do not think I am better than you because I am an american and you are not, BUT I do think that my COUNTRY is better and offers more to people than yours, or anywhere becasue you can come here and be anything, or nothing....your choice. There is a difference.

 

[B00ne]

My god wheezer what is your Problem, I was not attacking you, you seem to be hellbent on your superiority.

How do u draw the conclusion that ppl have more rights in the US than anywhere else? Have you lived anywhere else and if so, where and what rights did u not have there?

Where do u get the idea from that Video games are banned in Germany??, While I dont approve the practice of indexing some, even indexed games are not banned, it is merely that u have to be 18 to purchase them and that no advertisement is allowed for them because they are deemed harmful to children. For a game to be indexed , a request has to be filed (by authorities/parents). But yes some things could be banned because of content . for example If a video game required u to rape woman to progress, I am pretty sure that would qualify to get prohibited. It is just that we here have issues with violence and the slaughter of humans (which is why those games are indexed) while you guys have issues with love and sex... big deal - we have to be 18 to virtually kill humans u have to be 18 to see titties - so what...

 

[Wheezer]

Well I am always told here that America is superior, and I have witnessed that American largely think they are superior, and they act in the moment as if they were superior and do not need obey laws and international order. And they think (at least say) they are Gods chosen ppl on a mission from God (Bush, similar anyway). Now u tell me that is not similar thinking too the Super Race....?

btw, the Jews were not a threat and that is a fact, but a scapegoat used by the Nazis

That is what entered you into this conversation. That is your "impression" of America..and it is misguided, who ever said that we are the chosen people?

I was rasied a Catholic and have read some parts of the Bible ..I always understood the Jews to be the chosen...if you belive in that sort of thing.

You need to relax...I am not hell bent on anything. this is not a personal attack on you in any way shape or form.

Gee...lets see..rights...rights...oh yeah heres a few....CHINA, IRAN, IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN...shall I continue?

We don't cut peoples hands off for stealing, or kill them for drinking wine like that poor slob a few weeks ago in Iran, or stone our women to death because they were raped.




In Reference to Return to Castle Wolfenstien:

The multiplayer version of the game has no Nazi symbols, but the single-player version does include Nazi imagery. And the Web site says the game cannot be sold in Germany or Austria.

From here

 

[B00ne]

how about u try some comparable countries: EU, Japan, Australia instead of

Anyway I was just trying to point out that alot of the rhetoric and apparently thinking of many Americans is similar to the SuperRace thing. I am not saying America is gonna became a 3rd Reich, just that the mindset of many ppl seems to be similar to the superiority mindset of the 3rd Reich (or any (real)Empire in history).

Well, that article is long and I couldnt find where it said that by skimming it, but Iam not aware of RtCW not being sold in Germany, in fact it was sold in Germany for sure.

 

[BaDaBooM]

Originally posted by: swifty3

Originally posted by: BaDaBooM

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Ok so all the countries that are behind us mean nothing?

gee i am sure they would love to hear that.

And no it wasn't just the fact that the Jews were a threat. They also convinced thier people that they were the "super race" and they wanted to dominate the world.

So tell me how have we shown that?


Sorry to shed light on your misinformation but that hatered was already there for this country.

Funny how no one replied to this as Wheezer nailed the flaw in your logic. Guess what some of the United States and other European leaders said during that same time. They told their people that they were going to be attacked, and that those that didn't want to act were exposing their country to danger and lacking patriotism. (These were leaders that were warning of Hitler before he invaded the Rhineland; i.e. when they could have stopped him without the WW). There are far more actions that must be taken to accomplish the kinds of things that Hitler did. Your comparison is null and void.

What the hell are you talking about? Which leaders were warning America and Europe that Hitler was going to attack? Churchill was the only one that I can think of, and no one was listening to him at the time. No one predicted or forsaw or could have forseen what was to take place in the days before WW2, and after.
The problem, was that Europe was willing to settle for peace at any price, mostly because they still felt the pain of a world war not 25 years previous, and because Hitler was telling the world exactly what they wanted to hear. Funny, but most countries are not willing to embrace war without resolute justification.

And I have no idea, (and I don't think you do either) what "far more actions" must be taken to accomplish what Hitler did. Pull your foot out of your mouth!

How stupid are you that you give an example of what I was talking about and then say I was wrong. Churchill was the most well known in Europe. As for the rest, they were the minority but there were other Europeans and Americans that spoke out. Go take a history class, moron.

 

[achiral]

so there's people dancing in the streets of baghdad throwing flowers at the troops and you think it was all brainwashing that took place and that there was no need for getting rid of saddam? think again. and comparing the decisions of bush to what a guy from the 3rd reich said is really lame and pointless

 

[RePete]

Yes, I've had that quote on my wall since the Bush admin. starting tearing apart your constitution and saying , "you are with us or you are with the terrorists" Goering was not a fool, but his drug habit turned him into an idiot.

..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................
"Saddam and his problem and his destabalizing influences on the Middle East with his support of terrorists has gone on for far too long. "
..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Do you think a pre-emptive war and occupation of a Muslim country in the center of the middle east is actually going to have a stabilizing effect?
I'm afraid the nation of Islam is just getting started, right or wrong and all the smart bombs and tanks in the world are not going to stop the backlash.
I believe, instead of putting the fear of God into the heathens, Bush and his cronies have opened up a seething pandoras box of hate and violence.
Nothing to do now, but watch the rest of your rights and freedoms whittled away everytime there is another "orange alert" shown on TV, by the Department of das protector af der faderland or whatever you folks like to call it.

Paranoia, mistrust, fear and monster Reganomic deficits will soon be the order of the day. Sorry to sound so doom and gloom, but I see no other way of looking at the future of the "beacon of freedom, admired by the rest of the world".

This is still my favourite,

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely

Question, question, question and never get sucked in by the words, freedom, homeland, evil or peace loving.

 

[putnam3769]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Ok so all the countries that are behind us mean nothing?

gee i am sure they would love to hear that.

And no it wasn't just the fact that the Jews were a threat. They also convinced thier people that they were the "super race" and they wanted to dominate the world.

So tell me how have we shown that?


Sorry to shed light on your misinformation but that hatered was already there for this country.

The stated goal of the United States goverment with regards to their national security policy is exactly that: domination. No other nation will be allowed to equal or even appocah the military strength of the United States. That, and the policy of pre-emptive strikes against potential threats, do combine to form a goal of global domination. If you doubt this here is a link to the US Security policy on the White House's web site: http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.html

I don't think the US is a country bent on genocide at all. I am merely supporting SOME of the parallells others have drawn.

 

[Alistar7]

If we were bent on genocide, there would be millions of dead Iraqi's, if we were pursuing expansion we wouldn't free a country and then not maintain permanent control. What country has the US occupied and "kept"?

 

[Alistar7]

Why does the creator of this thread feel the need to BEG people to read his posts in the title?

Is it because he doesn't ever attack your point or position, he just levels personal insults.....?

 

[ruazn2]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
If we were bent on genocide, there would be millions of dead Iraqi's, if we were pursuing expansion we wouldn't free a country and then not maintain permanent control. What country has the US occupied and "kept"?

You do realize this is not the 1800s no more, we don't go and occupy the country and declare its as a US colony? Why do that? Just leave a government that is friendly towards you, ie like Saddam back in the 1960s, and then you have control over that country. If something goes wrong, then go in and get rid of him in then name of freedom and put another 1 in. Its a good plan, get a war every few years, boost economy, make ppl forget about domestic problems, boost support.. its all good!

 

[BaDaBooM]

Originally posted by: ruazn2

Originally posted by: Alistar7
If we were bent on genocide, there would be millions of dead Iraqi's, if we were pursuing expansion we wouldn't free a country and then not maintain permanent control. What country has the US occupied and "kept"?

You do realize this is not the 1800s no more, we don't go and occupy the country and declare its as a US colony? Why do that? Just leave a government that is friendly towards you, ie like Saddam back in the 1960s, and then you have control over that country. If something goes wrong, then go in and get rid of him in then name of freedom and put another 1 in. Its a good plan, get a war every few years, boost economy, make ppl forget about domestic problems, boost support.. its all good!

He's got a whole 5 posts. Another troll that pops in just post ignorant declarations of conspiracy. They are putting in a democracy. Kind of hard to control a democracy as obviously we didn't get what we wanted with Turkey.