Is there an English comprehension problem in this thread?
Yes, let's go through some of it.Is there an English comprehension problem in this thread?
Why would you not compare what's on the market currently? Anything Fermi is no competition for the 7970. AMD has the fastest single GPU and fastest dual GPU solutions on the market, end of story.why not compare fermi with AMD's last years hardware. People are just fanbois around here.
Kind of like what you're doing, right?No cause once Kepler comes out they'll be talking about 8 series being the savior of all AMD.
And if it isn't faster, they'll talk about performance per watt and price vs performance.
The key to victory is changing the conditions to suit your needs.
Because there's nothing contradictory in it.Sad....really sad. I don't even have the energy to break down your contradictory statement.
And how is that statement different from what you just bashed several others for stating?The 7970 is no doubt the best buy for the money right now. Not comparing but stating.
No you don't. You've made a habit of posting this fallacy in every 7970 thread and have yet to back up your statement, so I'll just go ahead and refute it right here.I don't think there is anything wrong with comparing last gen to this gen even if Nvidia doesn't have anything out yet for this gen.
I do it myself when I get 30-50% more performance than a 7970 overclocked with considerably less invested while having enjoyed that performance for over a year now.
Yes, let's go through some of it.
Why would you not compare what's on the market currently? Anything Fermi is no competition for the 7970. AMD has the fastest single GPU and fastest dual GPU solutions on the market, end of story.
Aw keys, let em have fun. Is the only time AMD folk can delight in their cards beating Nvidia, comparing it to last gen. Seems quite an achievement, so let em enjoy their moment in the sun.We'll see if you still feel this way when Kepler is launched and the AMD refresh is a few months away. I'll bookmark this thread for revisit when that happens.
I will undoubtedly compare Kepler to whatever is on the market then as well. What's your point?We'll see if you still feel this way when Kepler is launched and the AMD refresh is a few months away. I'll bookmark this thread for revisit when that happens.
By most rumors, it seems like we're looking at GTX 580-level performance. The final MSRP and unlocking capabilities will determine if this card is a dud or not.Im really waiting to see where HD7950 will land in performance vs HD7970 kai GTX580/70.
According to latest info/rumor whatever, it will have 800MHz for the ALUs and 1250MHz for the mem. If it will have 1792 ALUs at 800MHz it will roughly be ~15-20% faster on average than HD6970
By most rumors, it seems like we're looking at GTX 580-level performance. The final MSRP and unlocking capabilities will determine if this card is a dud or not.
Aw keys, let em have fun. Is the only time AMD folk can delight in their cards beating Nvidia, comparing it to last gen. Seems quite an achievement, so let em enjoy their moment in the sun.
15-20% faster on average than HD6970 will put it next to GTX580.
So you're then insinuating that in the past, I haven't? I assume you therefore have proof? Or are you also completely lacking character as well as tact in making such baseless accusations?LOL Amenx.
@ MrK6: "I will undoubtedly compare Kepler to whatever is on the market then as well. What's your point?"
Of course you will. Because you have to now. That is my point. And if for some reason you "forget" to do that when the time comes, I can help remind you. That's all. :thumbsup:
It's all good M.
So you're then insinuating that in the past, I haven't? I assume you therefore have proof? Or are you also completely lacking character as well as tact in making such baseless accusations?
My, it seems the Green team is really upset over the 7000 series. Are the forums really going to have to deal with this "cry baby" mentality until whenever Kepler is released?
Why would you expect that you would hear something different in the first place if you weren't insinuating I wouldn't make an honest comparison then? Again, beyond the personal attack, where's the proof? Accusing someone of an intention to be dishonest and then adding "try not to get defensive" is obnoxious, to say the least.No, not at all. I'm talking the present and the future. That is within the scope of the context I meant to convey. Nothing more, no insinuations. Please try not to get defensive here. I'm saying that I don't want to hear anything different when the tables are turned later in the year.
Why would you expect that you would hear something different in the first place if you weren't insinuating I wouldn't make an honest comparison then? Again, beyond the personal attack, where's the proof? Accusing someone of an intention to be dishonest and then adding "try not to get defensive" is obnoxious, to say the least.
What do you mean green team? I think everyone can speak for themselves. Personally, as an NV owner, I am quite impressed with the OPs findings that the 79xx beat fermi. And its a proper comparison. Way to go AMD. I was similarly impressed on the CPU front when Thuban beat C2D. It just goes to show that AMD is capable of pulling out surprises every now and then. So big respect to them for that.My, it seems the Green team is really upset over the 7000 series. Are the forums really going to have to deal with this "cry baby" mentality until whenever Kepler is released?
First, by asking me to "be fair later," you're assuming that I wouldn't be unless you called me out on it. That's a personal attack and an insult to my character, you should know better. Secondly, I don't favor AMD. I favor whatever is the best solution available using the proposed metrics. I recommend cards from either company (and even Intel as the situation may call for). The fact that you're biased reflects solely on you, no one else. Just because you choose a side doesn't mean others want to nor should they be forced to "join a side." This is an enthusiast's forum and the bottom line is great hardware, regardless of who makes it.You've been around long enough to know how these forums flip flop when tables turn or situations change. That's all. So, I'm not accusing you of anything, but straight out asking you to be fair later. You favor AMD and I favor Nvidia. Like our favorite football teams I suppose.
So, back OT? Or....
And apologies if you thought I was accusing you of lying. I was not. As explained above.
We'll see if you still feel this way when Kepler is launched and the AMD refresh is a few months away. I'll bookmark this thread for revisit when that happens.
No you don't. You've made a habit of posting this fallacy in every 7970 thread and have yet to back up your statement, so I'll just go ahead and refute it right here.
Your GTX 470 SLI 3DMark11 Performance GPU score: 12055
1st place water-cooled GTX 470 SLI 3DMark11 Performance GPU score: 12179
1st place water-cooled 7970 3DMark11 Performance GPU score: 12459
The 7970 is 3.4% faster than your setup and 2.3% faster than the 1st place GTX 470 SLI setup. So no, your setup is not "30-50% faster" than an overclocked 7970. Every time you post this from now on, I'm going to link to this post.
So you get to overclock your GTX 470's to the maximum, but the 7970 is gimped to CCC limits? How is that a fair comparison? I mean, didn't you already say in this thread:Link this one it has actual games..
7970 @ 1125 (highest he can do with voltage added was 1175 but has chosen to use 1125 because it doesn't require extra voltage)
VS
470 SLI @ 930 core
The key to victory is changing the conditions to suit your needs.
It also uses about half the power and doesn't have to deal with any multi-GPU issues; that alone is worth the price. But please, keep changing the metrics every time I prove them wrong.Still though, if you're comparing a $630-$700 single water cooled card to a $450 last gen setup and getting 3.4% more performance you're probably doing something wrong if you weren't seeking epeen only.
Fermi was already obsoleted with the 7970 launch. Well, at least the GTX580 was. But AMD won't be competing with the GTX5xx forever.
So you get to overclock your GTX 470's to the maximum, but the 7970 is gimped to CCC limits? How is that a fair comparison? I mean, didn't you already say in this thread:
Hypocrisy much?
It also uses about half the power and doesn't have to deal with any multi-GPU issues; that alone is worth the price. But please, keep changing the metrics every time I prove them wrong.
(highest he can do with voltage added was 1175 but has chosen to use 1125 because it doesn't require extra voltage)
It also uses about half the power and doesn't have to deal with any multi-GPU issues; that alone is worth the price. But please, keep changing the metrics every time I prove them wrong.