Vibration when turning right...

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96Firebird

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Noticed this a couple months ago, I was hoping it was a bad winter tire. Just swapped my summer tires on and the problem is still there. So now I am thinking it is a wheel bearing? I can feel it even if I turn the wheel slightly to the right, sounds like it is coming from the driver's side wheel hub.

So I figure I'll replace both wheel hub assemblies if the problem is most likely the wheel bearing, as the other is probably soon to go as well. Taking a quick look at RockAuto, they have hub assemblies that range from $35 to $211 (2003 Buick Park Ave for those who are curious). Is there a threshold where a part is too cheap, or not worth the money?

Thanks for any help.
 
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I wouldn't cheap out on a wheel bearing. That's a fairly critical part.

You might try lifting the tire off the ground and push/pulling at 12/6 and 3/9 to feel for play. Have someone do the push/pull while you check tie rod ends and ball joints. "Vibration" is a pretty generic thing.. Is it a slow and soft whirrrrr whirrrrr vibration or a quick and hard click click vibration?

Could also possibly be steering rack.

It can help to remove the wheel, or use a breaker bar held against the bearing to help transmit grinding noise.

It could also be CV joints. Do you hear a popping at full steering lock? Try in fwd and reverse, and check CV joints for busted boots.
 

96Firebird

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Just got done lifting the car off the ground, there is definitely some play when pushing at 6/12. Could even hear a little rocking going on. Checked the other side and there is nothing. So I'm pretty sure it is the wheel bearing.

Now, I need to figure out how much I want to spend on the hub assembly. How long can I drive with a bad wheel bearing? It won't be weeks, I just want to get a quote from my roommate's brother who owns his own shop. But it always takes a while for him to get back to me...

Also, how big of a job is replacing the hub assembly? I assume just take the wheel off, take the brake assembly off, and then remove the hub assembly? Garage job, or should I have my roommate's brother do it for a small cost?
 
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It is unlikely, but possible, that it's your lower balljoint assembly. Put one hand on the balljoint as you rock it back and forth to make sure there's no play. You should also be able to reach behind the wheel and feel the bearing hub rock back and forth. It would really suck to change the wheel bearing just to turn around and have to essentially repeat the job to replace a balljoint. I very much suggest figuring out exactly what it is with 100% confidence before going further.

From what I can tell, yours won't require you to disassemble the knuckle, which makes the job quite a bit easier. It looks like you can can remove the axle nut, then access the bearing carrier bolts from the back. I've changed two sets of these types, and both times the bolts holding the bearing on were beyond tight. One I got loose with pb blaster and a BFW, the other required a torch to break the loctite.

This video is entertaining but a little painful, of an 02 park avenue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMB2pJTydpA

This video is generic GM fwd, but easier to follow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB9mrc4K0-c

The job can range from easy 1-2 hours per side up to one of those bearing bolts not coming loose and you fighting with it all damn day long.

Roommate/wife/friend's brother can be a gamble. It's a very straightforward job, but those bearing bolts need to be torqued TIGHT and you need to be careful with the cv axle when you slide it out. It is possible to screw it up. If changing brakes is a 3 on a scale of 1-10 I'd say this is a 5. A competent shop should be able to do it with no problem. If you do it, you will need to figure out the axle nut size and buy a socket unless you have a good set of tools.

If you plan on keeping this car you really should go ahead and replace both at the same time, especially if it's high mileage. They likely were pulled off the same shelf and have seen a similar life.

I wouldn't skimp on a bearing. Timken, moog, or OE acdelco. I would not do a POS autozone/advance house brand $40 part. This is one of those parts (like tires, brakes, suspension) where you life can depend on the part. Skimp on spark plugs, oil, or air filters if you want.

How long can you go on a failing bearing... It could fail in the next mile, it could go 1000's of miles. It's pretty rare to see them with play, usually they make a roaring noise and get stiff. So I wouldn't wait very long. One test is after a highway drive feel the wheel and see if it's noticeably hotter than the other side. A badly failed, nearly seized bearing will get very hot and should not be driven on.
 

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I assume this is on your Trans Am, right? I have an '02 Camaro Z/28 that I had to replace the hub on a couple years ago (sits in the garage now). I did it in the street with ease. I also did so in the past when I put ProStars on the front and needed longer studs for the spacers. There are just four bolts holding the hub on, and I did it all with hand tools. You're correct that you just need to remove the wheel and brake. I wouldn't pay someone to do it.
 
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It's a FWD buick, so a bit more difficult because he has to deal with a CV axle.

OP here's a much better video, it can definitely be done without removing the knuckle. I don't like how the guy beats on everything with a steel mallet. Should be using a deadblow or pullers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv9gHrgIHqs

Edit: also, use a scotch brite pad and clean the mating surface on the knuckle so the new bearing sits completely flat.
 

96Firebird

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Yeah this is for my winter beater, 2003 Park Ave. Actually, I think my Trans Am needs a new wheel bearing in the rear. Hoping to get that out this weekend and see what I need to do before driving it regularly.

Thanks for all the info SA. I'm almost certain it is the wheel bearing and not a ball joint, I don't hear any knocking when going over bumps. It is just a low humming noise when turning right (even slightly), mostly noticeable at higher speeds.

I think I'm going to try and tackle it myself, just have to buy some tools to add to my collection. Wondering if I should do my brakes while I'm in there, if I decide to replace both hub assemblies. The car only has around 80k miles on it, bought it from my grandma last year. I'm wondering if an unbalanced winter tire cause it to fail prematurely...
 
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Unbalanced tire can definitely cause a wheel bearing to go bad.

At 80k, if it was my beater, I would consider only replacing one side if you were driving around with an unbalanced tire. I would expect to get 120-150k out of a non-abused sealed style wheel bearing. I only put about 5-10k a year on my beater so that's 6-7 years before I would expect the other one to fail.

If you do both sides, and you're close to needing brakes, then change brakes also. You have to take the caliper/rotor off anyway, the only extra step would be popping in new pads.

Harbor Freight will have the socket for the axle nut for cheap. Definitely spray down the bearing bracket bolts with pb blaster the night before. Try to have a 2nd vehicle available in case you need to make a run for tools.
 

96Firebird

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Turned out it was indeed the wheel bearing.

Changed it at my buddy's house, since he has air tools and all the good stuff. Took about a half hour total, no issues. Car feels like its riding on rails. I just got my Trans Am out from storage yesterday, and that is a whole other animal as far as ride comfort goes...

All I had to pay him was a case of beer, half of which we drank. :thumbsup:
 

MongGrel

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I hate when my vibrator does that to the ball joints.

Ah frig wrong thread he he.

:biggrin:
 
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