Victim gets gun from attacker who is raping his date

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HumblePie

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Still way inferior to a gun. Nothing really comes close. Broadsword? It would be easy to run away from someone that wields it. Crossbow? One shot and you would be very vulnerable until you reloaded.

A repeating hand crossbow is just about as effective as a gun at close range. More so if the target is wearing kevlar. Guns aren't the only tools of effective killing at range.
 

Lepton87

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A repeating hand crossbow is just about as effective as a gun at close range. More so if the target is wearing kevlar. Guns aren't the only tools of effective killing at range.

How easy is it to purchase one of these? I've never seen anyone using such a crossbow. If it weren't for computer games I wouldn't even know that such crossbows even exist.
 
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Zaap

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^ By this logic: If it weren't for the news and maybe occasionally seeing one on the hip of a police officer or a friend with one, MOST people would never know firearms are ever used for much besides target practice.


I'd wager a bet most people here (that don't live in terrible crime ridden areas, hence, most people here) have *never* actually witnessed a firearm brandished by some stranger with an intent to harm anyone.
 

Lepton87

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I'd wager a bet most people here (that don't live in terrible crime ridden areas, hence, most people here) have *never* actually witnessed a firearm brandished by some stranger with an intent to harm anyone.

Unfortunately I see it all the time. No one can open carry here unless they are on active duty but most of the things that the police does is meant to harm ordinary citizens, usually they give tickets for petty transgression because statistics is all they, or rather their superiors, care about... They have to reach a certain quota or else they won't receive a bonus or worse. That's a pathological system that sacrifices public safety on the altar of profits. It encourages the police to fish for easy tickets instead of actually doing their job. But all of that is moot because you meant intent to harm someone with a gun, didn't you?
 

shadow9d9

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Just a news search for the term "held at knifepoint" reveals an endless string of reports of criminals doing just that to one or several people. Only in the imagination of internet nerds do people morph into Bruce Lee and fight off an aggressor with a knife they're threatening to sink into your vitals rather than comply with being robbed or whatever else said aggressor demands.

But by all means... back to anti-gun fantasyland.

Only in the world of real life losers with small dicks do efficient killing machines get drooled over and obsessed with.
 

QuantumPion

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Unfortunately I did I wish I hadn't. All I'm saying is that a gun has such an unparalleled effectiveness in killing people that comparisons to crude weapons such as a knife are moot. It's like comparing an abacus to a computer.

Handguns aren't all that effective at killing people actually, at least in the U.S. According to statistics, 6/7 handgun shot victims survive. Handguns aren't really much more deadly than knives, they just have a little longer range and don't require physically overpowering the opponent (which is the major advantage for self defense for women/against multiple attackers).
 
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Yup. A handgun is the perfect defensive tool, but not really the best offensive tool.


Still can't believe that modern progressives are more willing to blame the tool than the rapist.
 

Lepton87

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Handguns aren't all that effective at killing people actually, at least in the U.S. According to statistics, 6/7 handgun shot victims survive. Handguns aren't really much more deadly than knives, they just have a little longer range and don't require physically overpowering the opponent (which is the major advantage for self defense for women/against multiple attackers).

I still think that even a handgun is easily superior to a knife and if you want to have above average lethality you can always buy a handgun with a bigger caliber and use expanding bullets.

Yup. A handgun is the perfect defensive tool, but not really the best offensive tool.


Today 04:17 PM

If someone knows that he is going to need offensive capabilities why would he restrict himself to a handgun? If you know that you're going to shoot you might as well bring bigger guns like an assault rife.

Still can't believe that modern progressives are more willing to blame the tool than the rapist.
Honestly I don't know who you are referring to.
 

alkemyst

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heh, it's debatable.
With a knife against 2 people isn't as easy. You need to put it to someone's throat first to become a credible threat and force them to do stuff.
With a gun he could just walk up to them and point it at them to get in control. Do that with a knife and the victims may just run away, or wrestle.

actually a knife is much more effective in close quarters than a gun against more than one person.

You have to know what you are doing of course, but it's pretty damn hard not to get cut at least semi-bad when defending against a knife that someone knows how to use.

You have a much better chance at avoiding being shot.

At a distance, then the gun comes way more effective.
 

emperus

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actually a knife is much more effective in close quarters than a gun against more than one person.

You have to know what you are doing of course, but it's pretty damn hard not to get cut at least semi-bad when defending against a knife that someone knows how to use.

You have a much better chance at avoiding being shot.

At a distance, then the gun comes way more effective.

You guys really be jumping through hoops in your gun defense.
 

emperus

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Handguns aren't all that effective at killing people actually, at least in the U.S. According to statistics, 6/7 handgun shot victims survive. Handguns aren't really much more deadly than knives, they just have a little longer range and don't require physically overpowering the opponent (which is the major advantage for self defense for women/against multiple attackers).

Handguns are not that effective at killing people?

You probably meant that people not properly trained at killing people using handguns aren't all that effective at killing people using handguns.

You could also say people who aren't properly trained at killing people using knives aren't all that effective at killing people using knives.
 

Lepton87

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Handguns are not that effective at killing people?

You probably meant that people not properly trained at killing people using handguns aren't all that effective at killing people using handguns.

You could also say people who aren't properly trained at killing people using knives aren't all that effective at killing people using knives.

If you can't leave a trail of dead bodies within a minute it's not really effective. Anything under 25 cadavers per minute doesn't count.
 

Zaap

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Unfortunately I see it all the time. No one can open carry here unless they are on active duty but most of the things that the police does is meant to harm ordinary citizens, usually they give tickets for petty transgression because statistics is all they, or rather their superiors, care about... They have to reach a certain quota or else they won't receive a bonus or worse. That's a pathological system that sacrifices public safety on the altar of profits. It encourages the police to fish for easy tickets instead of actually doing their job. But all of that is moot because you meant intent to harm someone with a gun, didn't you?
You see what all the time?
Police with guns or ordinary citizens with guns?
I'm honestly curious cause I'm not sure what this has to do with what I said.

If you're saying police (the state) behaves more violently and aggressive when they're the only ones armed you wouldn't exactly be mounting an anti-gun argument. Just the opposite in fact.
 

Lepton87

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You see what all the time?
Police with guns or ordinary citizens with guns?
I'm honestly curious cause I'm not sure what this has to do with what I said.

If you're saying police (the state) behaves more violently and aggressive when they're the only ones armed you wouldn't exactly be mounting an anti-gun argument. Just the opposite in fact.

I wrote that only police can open carry so it stands to reason that it's the police that I see brandishing their weapons. It was a vaguely related rant against the police, I thought that was clear. The police is less violent not more when the population is largely unarmed. The reason for that is clear. They don't fear for their life nearly as much because no one is shooting at them. Well, to be fair gun fights still happen but they are very rare and usually it's the SWAT equivalent that engages criminals with guns over here.
ps. I wasn't trying to make an anti-gun argument.
 
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You see what all the time?
Police with guns or ordinary citizens with guns?
I'm honestly curious cause I'm not sure what this has to do with what I said.

If you're saying police (the state) behaves more violently and aggressive when they're the only ones armed you wouldn't exactly be mounting an anti-gun argument. Just the opposite in fact.


That's what's hilarious about the gun grabbers... The majority of their arguments are actually pro-gun when you look at hard facts and details.
 

Lepton87

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That's what's hilarious about the gun grabbers... The majority of their arguments are actually pro-gun when you look at hard facts and details.

I never made an argument that police is less violent when ordinary citizens have guns. Why would they?
 

Zaap

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I wrote that only police can open carry so it stands to reason that it's the police that I see brandishing their weapons. It was a vaguely related rant against the police, I thought that was clear. The police is less violent not more when the population is largely unarmed. The reason for that is clear. They don't fear for their life nearly as much because no one is shooting at them. Well, to be fair gun fights still happen but they are very rare and usually it's the SWAT equivalent that engages criminals with guns over here.
ps. I wasn't trying to make an anti-gun argument.
You're points are contradictions though.

You somehow believe that cops (you're the one claiming they do nothing but harm citizens) are somehow kinder and gentler toward an unarmed populace. That doesnt jibe and I don't think you have any proof of that. (Keep in mind, were talking about the LAW ABIDING populace in either case, not criminals. This is where your logic seems to be failing you. What cops do defending themselves against violent criminals doesn't have any bearing on their treatment of normal law abiding citizens- yes, even armed ones.)

I don't get the logic of someone who sees cops as mostly only harming the citizens, yet placing the defence of themselves and their loved ones in the hands of people that don't give a shit about you. I don't understand seeking to make sure those same harm-seeking people are the only ones armed either.
 

Smoblikat

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They got held up by the guy with the gun. The gun here was the cause of the problem. I'm not sure how this would help the pro-gun cause.

How can the gun be the cause of the problem when in your first sentence you said that the person was the problem?
 
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I'm not anti-gun by any imagination but i do understand how powerful a tool it is in the wrong hands and do think comparing it to a knife etc is silly. They are very deadly and make crimes that much easier. But i dont think gun control is the answer as criminals will always have guns..hence why they are criminals
 

Cstefan

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Clearly the gun was the problem, and look at the way she was dressed! She was asking for it! AMIRITE? If only there were no gun, that rapist might have been alive today to rape again. Sad. Those poor women, having to go unspoiled by this paragon of man.

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People... we're debating with soft-hearted modern progressives.

These modern progressives don't blame criminals.

Criminals are "victims of society". It's all of our fault that this rapist felt he had to attack this poor woman and her date. We should have given him more handouts, provided better schooling. We should have had better gun control. It's OUR fault that he does this to people.


 
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