*VID* Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians

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Zebo

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: BurningDog
Originally posted by: Czar
do you really think small arms will do anything to the police or army?

the seccond amendment was created when a gun was a gun, civilians had one, the army had one and the army just was a bit more orderly about it.

This is a flawed argument. Hell yes they would do something against the army.

Population of the US is nearly 300 million people. If say 1/4th of those are males of fighting age, and just 1% of those have the balls to take up arms, then that is a force of 750,000 men. Add to the fact that the military will be wary to use heavy munitions on its on soil, and you'll see that there is a very good chance that an insurrection would do something to the army.

Look how much trouble an even smaller insurrection is giving our military in Iraq.
organization is a big big advantage

sure they would give it what they have but they just cant win

Just look at Iraq..bunch of rag tag folks with zero industrial capability giving us hell..so scared we can't even go in certain area.

Americans would be far far worse. We have chemicals, machining equipment and know how to make weapons to rival our militray not to mention hundreds of thousands of guns, and most importantly hunting rifles (sniper and goes right though any body armour). Lastly we have hiding places. Not a desert like shooting ducks in a barrel in iraq but forrests, swaps and other escapable terrain. If you doubt the importance of terrian I encourage you to google "winter war" how a couple hundred Finns killed divisons of Russians.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
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Mr. Compass, the police superintendent, said that after a week of near anarchy in the city, no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns, or other firearms of any kind. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.

That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of security guards whom businesses and some wealthy individuals have hired to protect their property. The guards, who are civilians working for private security firms like Blackwater, are openly carrying M-16s and other assault rifles.

Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.


Not really sure what to think of this (actually I do, but don't want to get banned) .... The fact that lawful civillians residing in there own homes are having legally owned firearms confiscated is unsettling to say the least...

http://abcnews.go.com/ has video of LEO entering houses, detaining residents, and confiscating all weapons... Truly sad... 2nd, 4th and 5th amendments being thrown out the window...

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I got an email offereing $1600.00 per week to work. I was afraid I would actually have to shoot someone and would have to spend the next year in court, this being the liberal jungle it is, so declined. The 1600 wasn't very tempting either.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

Well, don't attack us. We're ready!

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Zebo
So they are siezing thier property, forceing them out and now say they can't have guns? This is really no longer America guys. Government is outright hostile to civil liberties.

Relax, this is a part of any emergancy. Marshal law and all. The military is looking pretty high handed going into some of the homes as they are. I wonder if they are securing the doors they break as they leave?

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

Yea and ours is just as low as any western europe or OZ if you look at racial makeup and we have guns out the ying yang. We don't have a murder problem we have a black murder problem.

We have neither. We have a drug culture problem!

 
Feb 10, 2000
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Originally posted by: ntdz

What's your point? We are a very diverse culture with many different ethnicities that don't really get along. You don't have problems with hispanics and blacks there in Australia.

Are you implying that other ethnicities don't commit violent crimes? If you're going to imply a racist sentiment, just say what you're thinking so we can discuss it.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: alp
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

The UK also has CCTV cameras on every street corner, and appears to be quickly devolving into a totalitarian state in light of the recent terrorist attacks and the roll back of civil rights.

What are the citizens of the UK and Australia going to do when they no longer like their particular government and wish to physically do away with it? Not much, I imagine, when the police and military are sticking their rifles in your faces.

Too bad they don't have Penn & Teller's 'Bullsh!t' out there, there was an episode on gun control.


but our police don't have guns either

i do actually agree with you though, although i laugh at bush for talking about freedom after the patriot act, nobody in the uk even talks about it, and then we hear 75% would give up their civil liberties for added security. that REALLY scares me...

What did the Bobby shot the guy in the head eight times with? Spitballs? Every Bobbie I have seen on our TV haS had a gun.

 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Wheezer
Well, I have read the story and watched the video...although it is disappointing to see this, the facts are if there were not a select few idiots shooting at rescue workers, helicoters and engineers this probably would not have to happen.

Look at it from the police perspective, they are charged with going into homes that may or may not have armed looters inside, don't they have a right to protect themselves also? At least they are not limiting thier scope to targeting poor black neighborhoods.

The police can protect themselves the same way the armed citizen can...with his gun. My property is my property and IMO, these people probably never needed their guns more then they do right now.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Zebo
So they are siezing thier property, forceing them out and now say they can't have guns? This is really no longer America guys. Government is outright hostile to civil liberties.

Relax, this is a part of any emergancy. Marshal law and all. The military is looking pretty high handed going into some of the homes as they are. I wonder if they are securing the doors they break as they leave?

It's always an emergency nowadays. I've watched cops and can't believe the stuff that's allowed by our courts.
 

imported_Condor

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Sep 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: BurningDog
Originally posted by: Czar
do you really think small arms will do anything to the police or army?

the seccond amendment was created when a gun was a gun, civilians had one, the army had one and the army just was a bit more orderly about it.

This is a flawed argument. Hell yes they would do something against the army.

Population of the US is nearly 300 million people. If say 1/4th of those are males of fighting age, and just 1% of those have the balls to take up arms, then that is a force of 750,000 men. Add to the fact that the military will be wary to use heavy munitions on its on soil, and you'll see that there is a very good chance that an insurrection would do something to the army.

Look how much trouble an even smaller insurrection is giving our military in Iraq.

Also, all the small arms do for us is to allow us to take over arsenals and get bigger ones. You gotta have seed to plant a crop.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

What's your point? We are a very diverse culture with many different ethnicities that don't really get along. You don't have problems with hispanics and blacks there in Australia.

Who doesn't get along? I've lived here all my life and this is the first time I heard about different cultures shooting each other. Explain.

You really need to get out of that cubicle!

 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

What's your point? We are a very diverse culture with many different ethnicities that don't really get along. You don't have problems with hispanics and blacks there in Australia.

Who doesn't get along? I've lived here all my life and this is the first time I heard about different cultures shooting each other. Explain.

You really need to get out of that cubicle!


I was in Europe this summer so I was definately far out... Anyway back to the point. He said that different ethnicities don't get along and that is why we have so many murders. Maybe I'm ignorant but I have never heard Mexicans shooting down chinese etc... What is he talking about?
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: ntdz

What's your point? We are a very diverse culture with many different ethnicities that don't really get along. You don't have problems with hispanics and blacks there in Australia.

Are you implying that other ethnicities don't commit violent crimes? If you're going to imply a racist sentiment, just say what you're thinking so we can discuss it.


How is it racist to point out Blacks have 10x the hommicide rate as whites (per FBI statistics) ? No different than pointing out thier poverty levels or anything else that needs to be addressed.
 

imported_Condor

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Sep 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: ntdz

What's your point? We are a very diverse culture with many different ethnicities that don't really get along. You don't have problems with hispanics and blacks there in Australia.

Are you implying that other ethnicities don't commit violent crimes? If you're going to imply a racist sentiment, just say what you're thinking so we can discuss it.


How is it racist to point out Blacks have 10x the hommicide rate as whites (per FBI statistics) ? No different than pointing out thier poverty levels or anything else that needs to be addressed.

Some of our libs are pretty selective about what they call raqcism, aren't they?

 

imported_Condor

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Sep 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

What's your point? We are a very diverse culture with many different ethnicities that don't really get along. You don't have problems with hispanics and blacks there in Australia.

Who doesn't get along? I've lived here all my life and this is the first time I heard about different cultures shooting each other. Explain.

You really need to get out of that cubicle!


I was in Europe this summer so I was definately far out... Anyway back to the point. He said that different ethnicities don't get along and that is why we have so many murders. Maybe I'm ignorant but I have never heard Mexicans shooting down chinese etc... What is he talking about?

Actually, he may be inaccurate, but the basis is there. Mexicans here shoot other Mexicans and blacks shoot other blacks. White guys just shoot wives.

 

imported_Condor

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Sep 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: Zebo
So they are siezing thier property, forceing them out and now say they can't have guns? This is really no longer America guys. Government is outright hostile to civil liberties.

Relax, this is a part of any emergancy. Marshal law and all. The military is looking pretty high handed going into some of the homes as they are. I wonder if they are securing the doors they break as they leave?

It's always an emergency nowadays. I've watched cops and can't believe the stuff that's allowed by our courts.

Yeah, I watch that to. Part of the problem are stupid lawyers. I had to tell my lawyer how to rpoceed or I would have been ramrodded by the court system. As it was, the DA got the shaft. Often, when I watch cops, I think that the only reaqson the defendant won't get fair justice is because there isn't enough money involved to entice a lawyer and they are at the mercy of the public defense duty guys.
 

ECUHITMAN

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Originally posted by: BurningDog
Originally posted by: Czar
do you really think small arms will do anything to the police or army?

the seccond amendment was created when a gun was a gun, civilians had one, the army had one and the army just was a bit more orderly about it.

This is a flawed argument. Hell yes they would do something against the army.

Population of the US is nearly 300 million people. If say 1/4th of those are males of fighting age, and just 1% of those have the balls to take up arms, then that is a force of 750,000 men. Add to the fact that the military will be wary to use heavy munitions on its on soil, and you'll see that there is a very good chance that an insurrection would do something to the army.

Look how much trouble an even smaller insurrection is giving our military in Iraq.

So you are advocating 750,000 people to attempt to take over the US with pistols, rifles and shotguns, why?

If you want to overthrow the government, how about you vote and get involved with lobbying congress. Because that is really the only effective way to overthrow the government, at least it is more effective than advocating a civil war because the government is taking away the guns of people that are illegally residing in their homes after a mandatory evacuation order was given, and national guard troops have been SHOT at.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN
Originally posted by: BurningDog
Originally posted by: Czar
do you really think small arms will do anything to the police or army?

the seccond amendment was created when a gun was a gun, civilians had one, the army had one and the army just was a bit more orderly about it.

This is a flawed argument. Hell yes they would do something against the army.

Population of the US is nearly 300 million people. If say 1/4th of those are males of fighting age, and just 1% of those have the balls to take up arms, then that is a force of 750,000 men. Add to the fact that the military will be wary to use heavy munitions on its on soil, and you'll see that there is a very good chance that an insurrection would do something to the army.

Look how much trouble an even smaller insurrection is giving our military in Iraq.

So you are advocating 750,000 people to attempt to take over the US with pistols, rifles and shotguns, why?

If you want to overthrow the government, how about you vote and get involved with lobbying congress. Because that is really the only effective way to overthrow the government, at least it is more effective than advocating a civil war because the government is taking away the guns of people that are illegally residing in their homes after a mandatory evacuation order was given, and national guard troops have been SHOT at.

Yea I'm sure they were shot at by home owners.:roll: IMO the Sheriff is endangering those home owners! from the actual thugs who supposedly shot at National Gaurd troops. IE gangsters and other assorted low lifes who are preying on the weak, the unarmed.

Speaking of the Sherriff why does that loser still have a job after his disaster of an effort? After his hiring of thug and shoplifting cops? After his hiring of hundreds of quiters?
 

JackStorm

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I can't help but agree 100% with what Dissipate has said. This is outrageous.

Originally posted by: BurningDog
That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of security guards whom businesses and some wealthy individuals have hired to protect their property. The guards, who are civilians working for private security firms like Blackwater, are openly carrying M-16s and other assault rifles.



The reason for that is that they won't be dragging the paid guards forcefully out of their homes next week. Add amendment 14, equal protection under the law, to the list of the ones being violated.

Yeah, it's fvcked up. Either they should remove ALL weapons(Not something I support though), only from criminals, or NONE.

This just verifies what I've suspected for a long time. If you're not rich or connected, you're going to be fvcked by the government when they decide to fvck you over.

If I still lived in America, and this happened where I used to live(NY), they would have had to pry my gun from my cold dead fingers.

Granted, I don't own a gun anymore. But that was by choice(It's personal and I don't plan to discussing why). However, a government trying to forcefully remove guns from the people is more likely to make me get one again.

Fvck them I say. I'd join the anarchists before I'd ever submit to any authoritarian fvcktard.

Still, I honestly don't understand(Well, criminal reasons aside) why ANYONE would want to remain in that city. Considering the filth in the water. That $hit has been all over the city. They'll need some SERIOUS cleanup before they can even think of allowing people to return.
 
May 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Since banning private firearm ownership crime (specifically violent crime) in Australia has increased faster than anywhere other than in the UK. Both Australia and UK are now more crime ridden than the US, and in neither country can a citizen effectively defend themselves from that crime.

I know non-Americans don't understand it, but I'll spell it out plainly for you. American citizens will NEVER surrender their private firearms willingly (New Orleans situation excepted due to extrenuating circumstances). Any attempt to revoke our constitutional rights WILL be met with full force up to and including armed revolution.

Ok? Get it? Good.
 
May 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
Originally posted by: Wheezer
Mr. Compass, the police superintendent, said that after a week of near anarchy in the city, no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns, or other firearms of any kind

it says nothing about posession it says CARRY...there is a difference. I can own a gun in Ohio but I can't carry it around anytime I want.


http://abcnews.go.com/ has video of LEO entering houses, detaining lawful residents, and confiscating all weapons... Truly sad... 2nd and 4th amendments being thrown out the window...

Have to admit, I don't think I could go along with it. I understand they want to avoid armed looters, so it would be one thing to agree to leave the area (WITH MY GUNS). If they actually tried to take them once I'd agreed to leave, I'd have no choice to kill them over it...or die trying.
 
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