*VID* Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians

[rustynails]

Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

That?s why you live in Australia. Now go stroke yourself off somewhere else pussyfoot. We all know what a great empire the UK has become. Choke joke?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: sandorski
What are they to do? Relief/Rescue has been hampered repeatedly by people shooting at those who are trying to help.

In many areas it is not only dangerous for the people living there, but is a major Public Health issue as the floodwaters are contaminated with all kinds of nefarious materials from chemical to biological. People in flooded areas CAN NOT stay period. Many who have been evacuated have developed sickness from their exposure and that sickness is a threat to others who come into contact with them. Those who stay behind will die or become very sick, they need to leave now.

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I was going to avoid this issue, but....

An Armed civilian population would acheive little more than an Iraq situation, if the Military remained loyal to the Government. The only way for a Civilian lead insurrection against the government can work is if they managed to convince a large portion of the Military to join their cause. Even then the only likely way to acheive defeat of the government would be to carry out an inside job Coup so popular in the Third World.

Those who maintain that their Gun Ownership protects them from the Government are deluding themselves. There is infinitely more power in your Ballot than there is in any Mythical Bullet.

Without going into the debate about military vs. civillians in such an event, I am going to have to disagree with you.

The use of arms against an opressive government was alway seen as the very last resort when all other avenues had been exhausted.

True enough, but it lost any chance of success after the War of 1812 when the US went to a Conscript Military. Before then the Military and Civilians were the same entity, giving Civilians clear Armed advantage vis-a-vis the Government. Conscription didn't dramatically change the Power role immediately, but with Technological advances Civilians are pretty much unable to exert Armed power over the Government anymore.

Like I said in my previous post, it would look like Iraq if it ever happened. Keep in mind that any Civilian Insurrection will only have some support, most likely not even close to a Majority, but 30% at most and likely much less than even that.

Conscription (draft as we now call it) takes a lot of time to produce soldiers and is much more likely to be the tipping point to revolution if the troops are to be used against their own people.

Even 30% would be about 90 million people. If even 10% of that number (9 million) took up arms against the government out army would not be able to prevail, especially given our overseas comitments and the time it takes to repositon conventional forces.

My bad, shouldn't have used Conscription, but should have used Professional instead.

That said, many Civilians will rise in defense of the Government as well. Another big problem is organization. Who would have the Charisma to inspire civilians en masse to revolt? How long would such a Leader need to convince Civilians of the need or just what would the Government need to do to trigger such a mass amount of dissent? Any such Leader would be silenced long before anyone considered Him/Her to be anymore than a kook.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Zebo
So they are siezing thier property, forceing them out and now say they can't have guns?

This is really no longer America guys.

Government is outright hostile to civil liberties.

BFT

 

[piddlefoot]

Originally posted by: rustynails

Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

That?s why you live in Australia. Now go stroke yourself off somewhere else pussyfoot. We all know what a great empire the UK has become. Choke joke?

goose .............

and America has no pommy blood in its founders, lucky ay , seriously ..........

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
So when someone breaks in you have a fist fight with them instead?

No, I shoot them with my AR-15.

*badaboom*

Originally posted by: piddlefoot

Originally posted by: rustynails

Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

That?s why you live in Australia. Now go stroke yourself off somewhere else pussyfoot. We all know what a great empire the UK has become. Choke joke?

goose .............

and America has no pommy blood in its founders, lucky ay , seriously ..........

Let me apologize for my countryman's rude and totally irrelevant sniping.
G'day. :laugh:

 

[arsbanned]

DP

 

[imported_Condor]

Never thought I would see the day when diehard liberals and Democrats would defend the right to bear arms.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Condor
Never thought I would see the day when diehard liberals and Democrats would defend the right to bear arms.

Most libs and Dems could really give two shiites about guns. I was raised by a gun-collecting father and went shooting and hunting with him a lot of weekends.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Condor
Never thought I would see the day when diehard liberals and Democrats would defend the right to bear arms.

You just listen to wrong sources, such as right wing radio who selectivly gives you the "scoop".. Are there dems for gun control, sure is but there are plenty against. More importantly are there Repubs for it? Most certainly, since almost every Federal piece of gun restrictions was signed by Republicans, three from Reagan and Bush 1.0 combined.

 

[piddlefoot]

Let me apologize for my countryman's rude and totally irrelevant sniping.
G'day. :laugh:[/quote]


G'day , np , cheers , its all fun , one in every croud, we re pretty friendly down under, no grudges , just bring moor BEER !

 

[piddlefoot]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Condor
Never thought I would see the day when diehard liberals and Democrats would defend the right to bear arms.

You just listen to wrong sources, such as right wing radio who selectivly gives you the "scoop".. Are there dems for gun control, sure is but there are plenty against. More importantly are there Repubs for it? Most certainly, since almost every Federal piece of gun restrictions was signed by Republicans, three from Reagan and Bush 1.0 combined.

as l understand it , from oz mind you its hard to get a clear picture, but really seems like a minority have put these gun laws in and hold the entire us population to ransom, nra ?
Just seems very far fetched to need an fully auto 9mm oozzy for home defence ?

AND this is a question , Is the nra founded from the same people that ran the ccc ?


This isnt racist rather a question that we get f@cK&$ all info on here, and well you guys would have a better idea ?

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[K1052]

Originally posted by: piddlefoot

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Condor
Never thought I would see the day when diehard liberals and Democrats would defend the right to bear arms.

You just listen to wrong sources, such as right wing radio who selectivly gives you the "scoop".. Are there dems for gun control, sure is but there are plenty against. More importantly are there Repubs for it? Most certainly, since almost every Federal piece of gun restrictions was signed by Republicans, three from Reagan and Bush 1.0 combined.

as l understand it , from oz mind you its hard to get a clear picture, but really seems like a minority have put these gun laws in and hold the entire us population to ransom, nra ?
Just seems very far fetched to need an fully auto 9mm oozzy for home defence ?

AND this is a question , Is the nra founded from the same people that ran the ccc ?


This isnt racist rather a question that we get f@cK&$ all info on here, and well you guys would have a better idea ?

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Fully automatic weapons are so restricted in the US that they are nearly illegal.

I assume your second question relates to the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). I am sure we have Michael Moore's brilliantly misleading film to thank for this impression.

The NRA was in fact founded by Union officers to promote the practice of marksmanship and the preservation of individual rights. The KKK was formed by former Confederate soldiers to prevent the newly freed blacks from exercising their rights and hidering the reconstruction after the civil war through the use of violence and intimidation.

The views of the NRA are diametrically opposed to those of the KKK.

 

[piddlefoot]

taa

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Condor
Never thought I would see the day when diehard liberals and Democrats would defend the right to bear arms.

You just listen to wrong sources, such as right wing radio who selectivly gives you the "scoop".. Are there dems for gun control, sure is but there are plenty against. More importantly are there Repubs for it? Most certainly, since almost every Federal piece of gun restrictions was signed by Republicans, three from Reagan and Bush 1.0 combined.

The sources that I hear are the elected democrats that keep trying to kill the first and second amendments.

Now, if you mean that we should not listen to "right wing radio who selectivly gives you the 'scoop'" about who is voting for the democrats then you may have a point.

There is only one organization that is striving to maintain the first and second amendments and that is the NRA. They are trying to be silenced by the liberal replblican McCain and the liberal democrat Feingold with the support of the ultra liberal George Soros.

/education
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Now the New Orleans police are confiscating guns from CHL owners. They are allowing selected gun owners to keep theirs. The rich, security guards hired by the rich and businesses, and the criminal that they can't find.

My question is this. If the New Orleans authorities disarm a home owner and the home is then ransacked and/or the home owner is injured is New Orleans now responsible since they have (imo) said you don't need a gun as we will protect you and your property?

I'm looking forward to lawsuits over this both from the personal and property damage and the complete disregard of the Consititution and even New Orleans law.

Now, if the constitution has been suspended by FEMA or another organization then, well, I guess it is being done legally.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

It will be in the past when our Constitution is in the past.

 

[NeoV]

I love gun threads....you get the yahoo's that say that our right to have guns enables us to overthrow the government if we wanted to....which is almost as laughable as it is stupid

then you get the ones who say 'guns don't kill people, people kill people...'....blah blah blah

'so then only criminals will have guns? - of course this argument comes from the people who believe the phony NRA stats that 75% of home breakins are prevented by gun-weilding home owners...right...

American's have their head too far up their arses to ever change anything about the moronic gun laws/regulations in this country, and sadly we are proud of that. Likewise, the NRA has it's hands in quite a few pockets of people in power here...again, sad but true.

The constitution was written in the late 1700's - it isn't a viable document anymore, yet we cling to it like flies to sh1t. Does it cover the internet? Does it cover identity theft? Does it address sexual predators?

We need to basically scrap the whole thing and start over - sure, keeping many parts of it - rights to vote, speech, etc. But hiding behind 'it's in the constitution' is weak, but at the same time it's valid since it is there.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: NeoV
The constitution was written in the late 1700's - it isn't a viable document anymore, yet we cling to it like flies to sh1t. Does it cover the internet? Does it cover identity theft? Does it address sexual predators?

We need to basically scrap the whole thing and start over - sure, keeping many parts of it - rights to vote, speech, etc. But hiding behind 'it's in the constitution' is weak, but at the same time it's valid since it is there.

I'm glad you have such respect for our country and our laws.

Though I agree with 1 thing. Just about every law passed in the last 100 years should be scrapped and federal government can return to its small roots.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: NeoV
I love gun threads....you get the yahoo's that say that our right to have guns enables us to overthrow the government if we wanted to....which is almost as laughable as it is stupid

You don't believe an armed citizenry poses any threat to a government? Why do you think so few countries allow its populace to freely own them? For the safety of the citizens, or for that of the establishment?

then you get the ones who say 'guns don't kill people, people kill people...'....blah blah blah

Why do you so easily attempt to dismiss a valid point? Guns are inanimate objects. Tools. If a person is commited to the idea of killing another human being, there are thousands of other tools that will accomplish this task. How would a ban on guns solve this issue?

'so then only criminals will have guns? - of course this argument comes from the people who believe the phony NRA stats that 75% of home breakins are prevented by gun-weilding home owners...right...

Umm.. I think the argument behind this is that most law-abiding gun owners are not the participants of gun violence and crime, but rather that criminals are. How does removing the guns from those law-abiding non-criminals reduce crime?

American's have their head too far up their arses to ever change anything about the moronic gun laws/regulations in this country, and sadly we are proud of that. Likewise, the NRA has it's hands in quite a few pockets of people in power here...again, sad but true.

What do you feel is moronic about them and why? Of course the NRA is a huge lobbyist. But they are many lobbyists, both Conservative and Liberal, pro-gun and anti-gun. Why single out the NRA?

The constitution was written in the late 1700's - it isn't a viable document anymore, yet we cling to it like flies to sh1t. Does it cover the internet? Does it cover identity theft? Does it address sexual predators?

We need to basically scrap the whole thing and start over - sure, keeping many parts of it - rights to vote, speech, etc. But hiding behind 'it's in the constitution' is weak, but at the same time it's valid since it is there.

Oh, please. The Constitution also doesn't cover cell phones, microwaves, tennis shoes, CD Players, DVDs, or Astroglide either. Are you suggesting that we rewrite our basic tenets of society every single time there's a new invention or product on the market? The basics never change, my friend. We have an amendment process to evolves the document over time, that works just fine.

 

[Helenihi]

Originally posted by: NeoV
I love gun threads....you get the yahoo's that say that our right to have guns enables us to overthrow the government if we wanted to....which is almost as laughable as it is stupid

then you get the ones who say 'guns don't kill people, people kill people...'....blah blah blah

'so then only criminals will have guns? - of course this argument comes from the people who believe the phony NRA stats that 75% of home breakins are prevented by gun-weilding home owners...right...

American's have their head too far up their arses to ever change anything about the moronic gun laws/regulations in this country, and sadly we are proud of that. Likewise, the NRA has it's hands in quite a few pockets of people in power here...again, sad but true.

The constitution was written in the late 1700's - it isn't a viable document anymore, yet we cling to it like flies to sh1t. Does it cover the internet? Does it cover identity theft? Does it address sexual predators?

We need to basically scrap the whole thing and start over - sure, keeping many parts of it - rights to vote, speech, etc. But hiding behind 'it's in the constitution' is weak, but at the same time it's valid since it is there.

You apparently don't get the point of a constitution. Broad principles don't get too old, a constitution is not a criminal code that encompasses every possible action. IT doesn't need to cover the internet, identity theft, or sexual predators. I have no idea why you think a constitution should cover sexual predators.

Did you miss the part where there is a process to amend it?

 

[piddlefoot]

Originally posted by: NeoV
I love gun threads....you get the yahoo's that say that our right to have guns enables us to overthrow the government if we wanted to....which is almost as laughable as it is stupid

then you get the ones who say 'guns don't kill people, people kill people...'....blah blah blah

'so then only criminals will have guns? - of course this argument comes from the people who believe the phony NRA stats that 75% of home breakins are prevented by gun-weilding home owners...right...

American's have their head too far up their arses to ever change anything about the moronic gun laws/regulations in this country, and sadly we are proud of that. Likewise, the NRA has it's hands in quite a few pockets of people in power here...again, sad but true.

The constitution was written in the late 1700's - it isn't a viable document anymore, yet we cling to it like flies to sh1t. Does it cover the internet? Does it cover identity theft? Does it address sexual predators?

We need to basically scrap the whole thing and start over - sure, keeping many parts of it - rights to vote, speech, etc. But hiding behind 'it's in the constitution' is weak, but at the same time it's valid since it is there.

one of the smartest Americans around , put him in office !

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: piddlefoot

Originally posted by: NeoV
I love gun threads....you get the yahoo's that say that our right to have guns enables us to overthrow the government if we wanted to....which is almost as laughable as it is stupid

then you get the ones who say 'guns don't kill people, people kill people...'....blah blah blah

'so then only criminals will have guns? - of course this argument comes from the people who believe the phony NRA stats that 75% of home breakins are prevented by gun-weilding home owners...right...

American's have their head too far up their arses to ever change anything about the moronic gun laws/regulations in this country, and sadly we are proud of that. Likewise, the NRA has it's hands in quite a few pockets of people in power here...again, sad but true.

The constitution was written in the late 1700's - it isn't a viable document anymore, yet we cling to it like flies to sh1t. Does it cover the internet? Does it cover identity theft? Does it address sexual predators?

We need to basically scrap the whole thing and start over - sure, keeping many parts of it - rights to vote, speech, etc. But hiding behind 'it's in the constitution' is weak, but at the same time it's valid since it is there.

one of the smartest Americans around , put him in office !

Dear sweet $DIETY, I hope that's sarcasm..

 

[thirdlegstump]

Should've been done before it all happened.

 

[piddlefoot]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: piddlefoot

Originally posted by: NeoV
I love gun threads....you get the yahoo's that say that our right to have guns enables us to overthrow the government if we wanted to....which is almost as laughable as it is stupid

then you get the ones who say 'guns don't kill people, people kill people...'....blah blah blah

'so then only criminals will have guns? - of course this argument comes from the people who believe the phony NRA stats that 75% of home breakins are prevented by gun-weilding home owners...right...

American's have their head too far up their arses to ever change anything about the moronic gun laws/regulations in this country, and sadly we are proud of that. Likewise, the NRA has it's hands in quite a few pockets of people in power here...again, sad but true.

The constitution was written in the late 1700's - it isn't a viable document anymore, yet we cling to it like flies to sh1t. Does it cover the internet? Does it cover identity theft? Does it address sexual predators?

We need to basically scrap the whole thing and start over - sure, keeping many parts of it - rights to vote, speech, etc. But hiding behind 'it's in the constitution' is weak, but at the same time it's valid since it is there.

one of the smartest Americans around , put him in office !

Dear sweet $DIETY, I hope that's sarcasm..

Hhahaha yea but he s got a good piont too. How old is your constitution, why cant it be ammended for the better of the era we live in ?
Would that be a bad thing ? Or at least not worth a try ?
You cant sit and say its not out of date or context in todays modern world, it could be ammended for the better of ALL YOUR people, could it not ?
So he does have a piont or 2......

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

What's your point? We are a very diverse culture with many different ethnicities that don't really get along. You don't have problems with hispanics and blacks there in Australia.

Who doesn't get along? I've lived here all my life and this is the first time I heard about different cultures shooting each other. Explain.

You really need to get out of that cubicle!

I was in Europe this summer so I was definately far out... Anyway back to the point. He said that different ethnicities don't get along and that is why we have so many murders. Maybe I'm ignorant but I have never heard Mexicans shooting down chinese etc... What is he talking about?

Actually, he may be inaccurate, but the basis is there. Mexicans here shoot other Mexicans and blacks shoot other blacks. White guys just shoot wives.

This is SO true. The stats of people just getting drunk and shooting a family member are amazing in the US. The point is: if you have a gun you'll more likely ti kill than with just your fists.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: ntdz

What's your point? We are a very diverse culture with many different ethnicities that don't really get along. You don't have problems with hispanics and blacks there in Australia.

Are you implying that other ethnicities don't commit violent crimes? If you're going to imply a racist sentiment, just say what you're thinking so we can discuss it.

No, but gang problems here in the US is almost exclusely a black and hispanic problem. Obviously other races commit crimes as well, but blacks and hispanics commit a disproportionate amount of the crimes here in the US.

You are wrong. The gang problem comes from INCOME and POVERTY. Not from skin color. Damn, stop this racism thing... It's really something brutish and dumb in the 21st century..