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JackStorm

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Originally posted by: NeoV
I love gun threads....you get the yahoo's that say that our right to have guns enables us to overthrow the government if we wanted to....which is almost as laughable as it is stupid

then you get the ones who say 'guns don't kill people, people kill people...'....blah blah blah

'so then only criminals will have guns? - of course this argument comes from the people who believe the phony NRA stats that 75% of home breakins are prevented by gun-weilding home owners...right...

American's have their head too far up their arses to ever change anything about the moronic gun laws/regulations in this country, and sadly we are proud of that. Likewise, the NRA has it's hands in quite a few pockets of people in power here...again, sad but true.

The constitution was written in the late 1700's - it isn't a viable document anymore, yet we cling to it like flies to sh1t. Does it cover the internet? Does it cover identity theft? Does it address sexual predators?

We need to basically scrap the whole thing and start over - sure, keeping many parts of it - rights to vote, speech, etc. But hiding behind 'it's in the constitution' is weak, but at the same time it's valid since it is there.

Incase you didn't know this, the constitution is ment to protect the rights of the people(Which is why I consider those who want to create an amendment to ban gay marriage extremely misguided, as it goes against what the constitution is ment to do. If people don't like it, create state laws that ban it).

As Helenihi has pointed out. It isn't ment to be a bunch of laws restricting people rights. If anything, it's ment to restrict what the government can do to the people.

Personally, I have a hell of a lot more respect for the U.S constitution than some of the garbage that's being written now a days.

As for scraping whatever laws are in place right now. Sure, go ahead. I wouldn't mind one bit as long as the constitution remains the basis. Though slightly revised. If only to keep the government from screwing people over again once new laws are in place.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Tango
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: ntdz

What's your point? We are a very diverse culture with many different ethnicities that don't really get along. You don't have problems with hispanics and blacks there in Australia.

Are you implying that other ethnicities don't commit violent crimes? If you're going to imply a racist sentiment, just say what you're thinking so we can discuss it.

No, but gang problems here in the US is almost exclusely a black and hispanic problem. Obviously other races commit crimes as well, but blacks and hispanics commit a disproportionate amount of the crimes here in the US.


You are wrong. The gang problem comes from INCOME and POVERTY. Not from skin color. Damn, stop this racism thing... It's really something brutish and dumb in the 21st century..

True, but it so happens that most of them are black because they were the ones starting out in ghettoes and many of them never got out of there.
But nooo, getting them out of poverty would be a socialist act...
 
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Originally posted by: Tango
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

What's your point? We are a very diverse culture with many different ethnicities that don't really get along. You don't have problems with hispanics and blacks there in Australia.

Who doesn't get along? I've lived here all my life and this is the first time I heard about different cultures shooting each other. Explain.

You really need to get out of that cubicle!


I was in Europe this summer so I was definately far out... Anyway back to the point. He said that different ethnicities don't get along and that is why we have so many murders. Maybe I'm ignorant but I have never heard Mexicans shooting down chinese etc... What is he talking about?

Actually, he may be inaccurate, but the basis is there. Mexicans here shoot other Mexicans and blacks shoot other blacks. White guys just shoot wives.


This is SO true. The stats of people just getting drunk and shooting a family member are amazing in the US. The point is: if you have a gun you'll more likely ti kill than with just your fists.


I would be very interested to see those specific stats that you allude to...if it's not too much trouble.
 

imported_Tango

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Tango
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: piddlefoot
serious ?

really with 27 THOUSAND gun deaths a year in America, you dont recon its time for a change ?
Here in Australia our gun death per year is about 120 off memory and the UK is around 180 , dont quote me on that , but surely the idea of everyone with a gun mentality is in the past.

What's your point? We are a very diverse culture with many different ethnicities that don't really get along. You don't have problems with hispanics and blacks there in Australia.

Who doesn't get along? I've lived here all my life and this is the first time I heard about different cultures shooting each other. Explain.

You really need to get out of that cubicle!


I was in Europe this summer so I was definately far out... Anyway back to the point. He said that different ethnicities don't get along and that is why we have so many murders. Maybe I'm ignorant but I have never heard Mexicans shooting down chinese etc... What is he talking about?

Actually, he may be inaccurate, but the basis is there. Mexicans here shoot other Mexicans and blacks shoot other blacks. White guys just shoot wives.


This is SO true. The stats of people just getting drunk and shooting a family member are amazing in the US. The point is: if you have a gun you'll more likely ti kill than with just your fists.


I would be very interested to see those specific stats that you allude to...if it's not too much trouble.


If you google you'll soon find them. Otherwise you'll have to wait tomorrow to get them from me.

EDIT: Ok... here's some: got a pause from work...

Stats about murders in families by underage people:

* In 1998, more than 10 children and teenagers, ages 19 and under, were killed with guns everyday. Many more are wounded.
* In 1998, 77% of murdered Juveniles age 13-19 were killed with a firearm.
* Currently, an estimated 39% of households have a gun, while 24% have a handgun.
* From 1993 through 1997, an average of 1,409 children and teenagers took their own lives with guns each year.
* Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense.

The last one being very interesting...

Some more...
http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/domviofs.htm

What weapons was used in intimate killings?

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/intimates.htm#intweap

70 to 90% of the times a gun...


This is also cool:Who was talking about "just a black people problem?"
GENDER RELATIONSHIP OF KILLERS AND VICTIMS
RELATIONSHIP
PERCENT
White kills white 40%
Black kills black 40%
Black kills white 17%
White kills black 3%
Total 100%


You can find a lot more stats on the Bureau of Justice Statistics website...
 

Forsythe

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"Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense."
That right there might be the single best argument for gun control...

[edit]
Sig worthy
 

charrison

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
"Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense."
That right there might be the single best argument for gun control...

[edit]
Sig worthy



A risk worth taking. But that is likely a false stat as a the districtive sound of shotgun shell being chambered usually send the crooks heading the other direction.
 

Forsythe

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May 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Forsythe
"Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense."
That right there might be the single best argument for gun control...

[edit]
Sig worthy



A risk worth taking. But that is likely a false stat as a the districtive sound of shotgun shell being chambered usually send the crooks heading the other direction.

lol, riiiight...
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Forsythe
"Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense."
That right there might be the single best argument for gun control...

[edit]
Sig worthy



A risk worth taking. But that is likely a false stat as a the districtive sound of shotgun shell being chambered usually send the crooks heading the other direction.

That stat doesn't account for the wounded burglars, or the ones that were held at gunpoint for the police to arrive either, not to mention the ones that ran like scared rabbits.

It also doesn't take into account how many of the family or friends were accidents.

I'll keep my guns, thank you. I trust the goverment to protect me about as far as I can throw them. They will when they get around to it (Katrina??) but that may be too late.
 

charrison

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Forsythe
"Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense."
That right there might be the single best argument for gun control...

[edit]
Sig worthy



A risk worth taking. But that is likely a false stat as a the districtive sound of shotgun shell being chambered usually send the crooks heading the other direction.

lol, riiiight...



Well I have heard this story from more than one person...
 

Forsythe

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May 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Forsythe
"Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense."
That right there might be the single best argument for gun control...
[edit]
Sig worthy
A risk worth taking. But that is likely a false stat as a the districtive sound of shotgun shell being chambered usually send the crooks heading the other direction.

lol, riiiight...
Well I have heard this story from more than one person...
Quite frankly it might be the case, in some things. But to say that 95,45454545454545454546 percent of burglaries are stopped because the burglar hear's the owner, who would undoubtedly in most cases be sleeping, fired a gun, well, that's just too far fetched.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
"Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense."
That right there might be the single best argument for gun control...

[edit]
Sig worthy

That statistic is worthless without knowing the methodology used.

The anti-gun lobby in this nation has a long history of distorting the numbers to suit their goals.
 

Forsythe

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May 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Forsythe
"Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense."
That right there might be the single best argument for gun control...

[edit]
Sig worthy

That statistic is worthless without knowing the methodology used.

The anti-gun lobby in this nation has a long history of distorting the numbers to suit their goals.

So you just throw this away completely and forget about, going on with your gun-toting attitude?
I'm sure Tango btw can find you that source, i can't find it at a glance. Besides, there's lots of other stuff.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Forsythe
"Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense."
That right there might be the single best argument for gun control...

[edit]
Sig worthy

That statistic is worthless without knowing the methodology used.

The anti-gun lobby in this nation has a long history of distorting the numbers to suit their goals.

So you just throw this away completely and forget about, going on with your gun-toting attitude?
I'm sure Tango btw can find you that source, i can't find it at a glance. Besides, there's lots of other stuff.

Yes, I am so unreasonable because I question the source and methodology instead of blindly seizing upon this number and using it as my personal banner.

 

piddlefoot

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* In 1998, more than 10 children and teenagers, ages 19 and under, were killed with guns everyday. Many more are wounded.
* In 1998, 77% of murdered Juveniles age 13-19 were killed with a firearm.
* Currently, an estimated 39% of households have a gun, while 24% have a handgun.
* From 1993 through 1997, an average of 1,409 children and teenagers took their own lives with guns each year.
* Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 22 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than to kill in self-defense.

omfg we ozzies aint that violent .....what a day and age ay , land of the free and safe ?
yea yea you got a mad constitution or bill of rights, you keep it.........you keep the stats.....

And as for ''we need guns so the govenment cant ass f@#k you'' is a bit far fetched , ffs the govenment can still enforce martial law, take your guns under an ammendment if they want, how can you stop it , gunna take on a platoon ? Madness YOU are at the mercy of your govenment , dont believe me , PAY LESS OR NO TAX SEE WHAT THEY DO 2 YOU .
lts all f@c%ed up with to many guns on the streets , most ppl can see that , matter of averages is against your nation with so many guns around, people will keep dieing from them needlessly. lts so common place for your nation its accepted to have a high death toll, for the good of the ''so called '' overall poppulation, so how many members in the nra ?
How many people in the US ?
yep all l see there is total fairness.....
The nra is like a church , below average amount of followers,[ compaired to the whole, heaps of power, in places where the power shouldnt be used, the wanker who runs it shows up 1 day later to school mass shootings , what sort of FA@@OT is that heartless, he does it more than once too, l have no time for nra bullsh1t, because thats all that comes out of that Heston [ if thats his name l cant remember ].

anyways gettin of track again so.....bored broken hand,,,put up with my dribble LOL..
hahaha, beer time l recon , 11;15 am here in oz...........

ozzy can be compaired slightly only because we as a nation are following your nations footsteps, l hope we dont make some of those mistakes when our pop gets higher, we have already made some pi@sa stuff ups here.
 

MovingTarget

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I decided not to post in this thread due to my own outrage in this situation due to the flagrant disregaurd for our constitution. There was no excuse for this. Period. Hurricane or no hurricane. I live on the gulf coast as well, and I'd be damned if the same happened to me. But anyway, it looks like somebody may finally be taking legal action over this. Whoever is responsible for this unlawful siezure should be kicked out of office immedeately, but we'll see how this all comes out. Gun Owners Sue for Unlawful Siezures
 

piddlefoot

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ozzies got pariniod bout 12 years ago when our gun laws got real stiff , now we have way less guns on streets , yea ppl were pissed off they lost there guns , but do you need rifles and the like in a capital city, our country is way better of now, with alot less guns aaround in general, l recon the us could stiffen them gun laws WAY MORE , they just dont seem serious about it, it looks selfish,to much money involved is probaly the closest to the truth.
 
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