Video Editing gurus, what components are most important (hardware wise) ? to optimize performance.

DaviDaVinci

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I already use Photoshop a lot. I want to get into Video editing and got a hold of the following already.

I have a Dell Precision 650with the following:
HD: 2 x 80 IDE Hitachi DeskStar HD's 2 meg buffer
: 1 x Western Digital 100 gig IDE 2 meg buffer
RAM: 2 x 512 PC2100 DDR266 Samsung chips
Processors: 2 x 3.06 Xeon 512kb
Graphics: NVIDIA Quadro4 900GXL
OS: WINDOWS XP


I was thinking about selling the 80 giggers and getting a pair of smaller SCSI Hard Disks and using the on board SCSI controller for RAID0 setup.

or should i just get a IDE Raid controller card for the 80 giggers?

Do I need more RAM?

What would u change to optimize the setup?
 

Remedy

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IDE and a firmware based RAID controller is enough. More ram? It would help and supress would be caching from the application. I wouldn't change anything really. If it's already situated, then leave it be. But that Nvidia DCC card for Photoshop and Video editing is beyond overkill. I would of sold that and used the funds to buy multiple Disks and Mobile ATA transfer caddies.
 

sharkeeper

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In order of importance, RAM, then disk.

I'd upgrade to 2GB MINIMUM. 4GB is much better. Ignore those that say otherwise because they cannot prove the merits of its use. Remember that any single application in Win32 can only address 2048. With a dual Xeon box, you're going to be running more than one application!

Storage: Forget IDE. Use it for Optical drives and that's about it. If you need terabytes, consider a SAN running on Gig-E. IDE is OK there.

What's your budget?

-DAK-
 

pulse8

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What kind of editing are you doing? DV editing?

If you're doing DV editing, then the system you have is WAAAY more than enough for basic video editing.
 

Remedy

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Originally posted by: pulse8
What kind of editing are you doing? DV editing?

If you're doing DV editing, then the system you have is WAAAY more than enough for basic video editing.



According to this post, he just -wants- to get in. Why anyone would need SCSI for when his or her skill is probably lower than novice is beyond me.
 

Pariah

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I'd sell the Quadro which is worthless for video editing and buy a Matrox Parhelia. Other than that, the system is already serious overkill for what you want to do.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: ReMeDy{WcS}
Originally posted by: pulse8
What kind of editing are you doing? DV editing?

If you're doing DV editing, then the system you have is WAAAY more than enough for basic video editing.



According to this post, he just -wants- to get in. Why anyone would need SCSI for when his or her skill is probably lower than novice is beyond me.

If he's spending the money and doing uncompressed or a format that isn't very compressed, then he'll need the speed of the drives to handle the video.

For DV, a few good IDE drives would work just fine.
 

DaviDaVinci

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I could probably sell the Quadro. I have an ATI Radeon 8500 and ATI AIW 8500 that I could use.

I will be importing vids from my VCR through a WinTV card or the ATI AIW 8500.

I got the whole thing as a package deal and want to keep cost minimal for any upgrades.

It has on board SCSI controller.

RAID Controller cards seem much cheaper compared to getting a pair of SCSI drives.
Am I going to notice that big a difference to where I would want to get SCSI?

BTW, I like to game once in a while, CS, UT and other framerate type games mostly.
I would also like to go DUAL monitor (i have 2 monitors already).

So far RAM seems to be in the near future.
 

ptw

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I've done some video capture and editing (mostly converting old video tapes to DVD). I'd recommend the following:

1. Get an All-in-Wonder. Be careful though--sometimes the software is a pain to get working, but once it works it's pretty good. The native ATI TV software captures quite well, in all sorts of stabdard or customized formats, and with very little setup work at all.
2. Your system is definitely "good enough" but DV work can take a long, long time. Certainly don't expect real-time processing/conversion. Depending on the size of file you are working with, more RAM is probably going to help you the most since harddrive swapping is so sloooooooow. I currenty use an Athlon XP 1700+ and 512 MB of 266 DDR. When working with even a moderate-sized file (say 1.5 GB MPEG2) the CPU often maxes-out and the harddrive is chugging away like crazy.
3. Software package you use can also make a big difference. I tried a few, but I found that the ULEAD Video Studio that came bundled with my ATI card does everything I need it to do--including making the final DVD files ready to be burned to a disc. If you need a lot of filters then you may want to look at something better (and more expensive).
 

DaviDaVinci

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Originally posted by: ptw
I've done some video capture and editing (mostly converting old video tapes to DVD). I'd recommend the following:

1. Get an All-in-Wonder. Be careful though--sometimes the software is a pain to get working, but once it works it's pretty good. The native ATI TV software captures quite well, in all sorts of stabdard or customized formats, and with very little setup work at all.
2. Your system is definitely "good enough" but DV work can take a long, long time. Certainly don't expect real-time processing/conversion. Depending on the size of file you are working with, more RAM is probably going to help you the most since harddrive swapping is so sloooooooow. I currenty use an Athlon XP 1700+ and 512 MB of 266 DDR. When working with even a moderate-sized file (say 1.5 GB MPEG2) the CPU often maxes-out and the harddrive is chugging away like crazy.
3. Software package you use can also make a big difference. I tried a few, but I found that the ULEAD Video Studio that came bundled with my ATI card does everything I need it to do--including making the final DVD files ready to be burned to a disc. If you need a lot of filters then you may want to look at something better (and more expensive).

i have an ALL in WOnder 8500.

besides that, how about them drives, IDE RAID or Sell the 2 80 giggers and get dual SCSI 36 giggers and use on board SCSI RAID controller?
is it worth the price difference for SCSI?
or is that money better spent on more RAM?

oh yah, how much time does it usually take to convert a cassette to DVD from capture to burning?
 

ptw

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If your IDE drives are fast, I don't see why you would need to switch to SCSI.

Just a warning---I don't capture/edit raw, uncompressed video files (AVI's)--I capture in real-time to an MPEG2. If you were working with raw AVI files, you may want to go to SCSI. However, for converting video tapes that is probably unnecessary since the quality of the source video is limited anyway.

The time it takes depends on what kind of editing/filtering you want to do. For me, I am just making pretty much straight transfers of old TV shows from tape to DVD in a less-than-DVD quality format. I'll just tell you the steps I do and the approx time it takes so you have some idea. If you use different software or capture in different formats it may take more/less time.

1. Capture--in real time. So a 1 hour show on tape takes 1 hour. With an Athlon XP 1700+, an AIW 7500, and a 7200 RPM Maxtor drive I don't have any frame loss.
2. Since I use ULEAD for DV editing, even though I capture the original file in an MPEG2 format it still wants to convert it. No big deal--1 hour of video only takes a few minutes since it is already in MPEG2 format.
3. Sometimes I'll crop the video into separate files or to remove some things leading/trailing as or credits, for instance) Cropping and then resaving the file again only takes me a few minutes. Warning--this time increases dramatically if you work with large files, mostly because of disk-swapping.
4. Creating the DVD files. Depending on what kind of filtering and the quality of video you want, this can take a bit longer. With ULEAD first I select the different video files I want included on the DVD. Then I create a scene selection menu by defining where each chapter should be (you do this visually--it's easy), then I let the conversion run and the DVD files get created. This is generally the slowest part of the process. 1 hour of video usually takes me about 2 hours to convert, but it may be more or less depending on your filtering, quality and of course hardware.
5. Writing to the DVD is then just the process of copying the files created by ULEAD and burning them to the DVD itself. Depending on the speed of your writer, this is also a bit time-consuming. Since this is the last step in the process, I usually just start it up and then go do something else. Depending on file size and writer speed, this can take 30-60 mins.

So basically, if I want to convert 1-2 hours of videotape to DVD, I set aside most of an afternoon or an evening. You don't actually have to sit through it the entire time since a lot of it is just sitting and waiting. Usually I'll break it up into separate sessions--start the video capture before sitting down to watch a ballgame on TV, then doing the editing/cropping, then start the DVD file creation process before heading out to the store, and then writing it to the DVD disc itself before going to bed or maybe even on another day.
 

addragyn

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Video Editing gurus, what components are most important?

The software.


(HW is pretty much a non-issue these days.)
 

sharkeeper

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Editing (NLE) is one thing...

Capture is another. Capture can be done with rather low end consumer hardware. Editing CAN be done with the same. However, if you projects are large and due dates near, your NLE machines need to be stout.

SCSI RAID -> IDE RAID.

-DAK-
 

LethalWolfe

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What's your budget again?

If I was in your shoes and had to cut on a PC I'd buy an ADVC, example here, and a firewire card. I'd ditch that quadro 'cause 3D acceleration won't help you out w/2D video. As for software I'd recommend Vegas Video 4. Other people might able to recommend something cheaper/better for your needs but I'm not too familiar w/consumer level editing software.

A 7200RPM IDE drive made in the past 5 years is enough to handle the bandwidth DV needs. Just make sure that the HDDs you capture too have nothing else on them and keep in mind that 1 hour of DV is about 12 gigs.


Lethal
 

theanimala

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Originally posted by: shuttleteam


Storage: Forget IDE. Use it for Optical drives and that's about it. If you need terabytes, consider a SAN running on Gig-E. IDE is OK there.

What's your budget?

-DAK-

SAN on GigE? I take it you are talking about running iSCSI instead of a true SAN? How is this going to help him? Depending on how much data storage he needs, he can run it fine internally, no reason to waste money on a network that will not make any difference to him.
 

DaviDaVinci

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My budget is going to be what i can get for that Quadro Video Card plus a couple hundred more.
I already have an All in wonder 8500 that I could use for graphics.
I want a machinet o churn out DVD's from Cassettes while retaining the original quality/audio

Thanks for all the input.

Software wise, I already have ADOBE PREMIERE, but I'll willing to switch to another if it's that much better.


Thanks

Davi
 

pulse8

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If you're just converting tapes to DVD, stick with Premiere. There's really no need to get anything better and you've already got Premiere.
 
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