Video of the murder of Bhutto, and eyewitness account with images taken by Getty photographer

[GrGr]

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Channel 4 video of Bhutto's murder

Ghetty images and audio account by the photographer

Very obviously the Pakistani government is lying. Bhutto was shot in the head and died inside the car. The car itself was not destroyed by the bombblast.

This murder is reminiscent of the murder of JFK, too light security in a hostile city (military garrison city in this case) and government lies.

 

[SilthDraeth]

Not surprising. At the range the gunman was, it would of been almost impossible to miss.

 

[bamacre]

Well, there it is. Proof Mushy is not telling the truth. What does he have to hide?

 

[ProfJohn]

I'm not sure the JFK refence belongs here...

Dallas and Pakistan are slightly different.

We usually just yell bad things at politicians we don't like.

 

[smack Down]

So she was killed by plan A instead of plan B what difference does it make?

 

[tomywishbone]

Originally posted by: smack Down
So she was killed by plan A instead of plan B what difference does it make?

Agreed. Shot in the noodle or blown to bits... what's the difference.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone

Originally posted by: smack Down
So she was killed by plan A instead of plan B what difference does it make?

Agreed. Shot in the noodle or blown to bits... what's the difference.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the car she was in was "bomb-proof" and everyone else in it survived.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: tomywishbone

Originally posted by: smack Down
So she was killed by plan A instead of plan B what difference does it make?

Agreed. Shot in the noodle or blown to bits... what's the difference.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the car she was in was "bomb-proof" and everyone else in it survived.

No one else had their head sticking out the window.

 

[tomywishbone]

B, I think you're correct. I didn't literally mean "blown to little bits", I should have said, shot in the noodle or hit with the force of an explosion so hard, that it drove the sunroof handle through your skull... what's the difference.

 

[bamacre]

Nevertheless, why is the beloved patriot government not being honest about her death?

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Nevertheless, why is the beloved patriot government not being honest about her death?

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bamaacre hit the nail on the head. For some damn reason the Pakistani government is
saying she was not shot after the doctor who examined her and other eye witnesses are saying she was shot. And now the rumors and conspiracy theories acquire a life of their own.

But now it looks like the Pakistani government will call in Scotland yard and will postpone elections for at least a month.

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail but the Pakistani government's handling of the matter has been stupid. With hotheads handed an issue they can whip up into mob like frenzy simply because of governmental ineptness. At this point the truth hardly matters when fiction is so much juicier.

 

[Farang]

The only reason I see to blame it on the lever is so that her death is her own fault, it is because he decided to stand up through the sunroof. If she is shot in the head that means Musharaff did not provide adequate security. This doesn't seem to be enough reason for a cover-up though so I'm confused as to what the motive would be here--everybody knows a shooter was there, so what does the government have to gain by saying he didn't kill her if indeed he did?

On a side note, the image at 1:58 of the mourning man is a much better version of what seems to be the famous photo to come out of this (the more popular one I've seen as him on one knee looking up).

 

[Lemon law]

The other thing the Bhutto crowd is so incensed at is the governments refusal to provide cell phone jamming. Which may have allowed a well placed observer the command and control to direct hit squads to exactly where Bhutto was rather than relying on lucky placement. Which could mean the moment Bhutto stood up, she was a sitting duck

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The other thing the Bhutto crowd is so incensed at is the governments refusal to provide cell phone jamming. Which may have allowed a well placed observer the command and control to direct hit squads to exactly where Bhutto was rather than relying on lucky placement. Which could mean the moment Bhutto stood up, she was a sitting duck

Defeating C&C is not the primary security concern for the requested jamming equipment -- have you ever tried to talk on a cellphone at a concert or rally!?

Cell phones are commonly used to remotely detonate suicide vests and other IEDs. This prevents the bomber from knowing when their crotch is going boom, or from getting cold feet and not pulling the trigger themselves. This also allows cell leaders to push the remote trigger anonymously even if the bombers become incapacitated, or the IEDs are compromised...

But hey, you knew that already from all your years playing chess, right? ya... anyways...

I digress...

it is damn strange to see Mushy's people so readily and handily reject the idea of a shooter hitting first... what's the point!? Can the shooter in the videos be ID'd and linked to the government? If not, then wtf is the point of denying a shooting?! odd...

 

[RichardE]

There trying to place the blame on her for her own security rather than saying it was there fault for not providing enough security.

"She put her head outside the car and the explosion killed her, so she ignored her own safety"

instead of

"We did not adequately ensure that people with AK's were able to get that close to the car unmolested"

Bhutto made a big thing about lack of security so anything they can do to pin this on her they will.

 

[tvarad]

This whole election thing was one more of Condi's hare-brained ideas. And BB was an idiot to fall for it, not realizing how things have changed since she was last in Pakistan what, a decade ago?

Assuming that she was alive, the elections went ahead, she was elected and then what? Does anyone seriously think that the generals would have given her any political breathing space? They would have stuck their leg out and tripped her anytime she did a serious political walk like they've always done to elected Prime Ministers since Pakistan's inception. They would then blame her for being incompetent and taken over and the whole thing would start all over again. Meanwhile they would go on enriching themselves given that they have their tentacles in everything.

It's time Washington stopped molly-coddling the generals running Pakistan and come up with serious solutions. Band-aid fixes aren't going to stop the gangrene.

 

[eits]

i bet you if the american government said the same thing that the pakistani government said, everyone would believe it and would ridicule those who said bhutto was killed by an a gun.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Well, there it is. Proof Mushy is not telling the truth. What does he have to hide?

An absolutely horrible security detail at the very least


AHEM....

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/...12/27/bhutto.security/

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: tomywishbone

Originally posted by: smack Down
So she was killed by plan A instead of plan B what difference does it make?

Agreed. Shot in the noodle or blown to bits... what's the difference.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the car she was in was "bomb-proof" and everyone else in it survived.

yup.

the difference is that the government is lying to its people about an assassination... it's not a matter of whether the outcome changed or not... it's about the cover-up.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: tomywishbone

Originally posted by: smack Down
So she was killed by plan A instead of plan B what difference does it make?

Agreed. Shot in the noodle or blown to bits... what's the difference.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the car she was in was "bomb-proof" and everyone else in it survived.

No one else had their head sticking out the window.

when the bomb went off, neither did she.

 

[Gand1]

The report I heard on NPR about the whole security issue was a real catch 22 issue and a whole mess of other stupid things thrown in for good measure...

First of all Mushy did not allow foreign security and denied any visa's for US and or other security (like many other county officials have) even though BB had been constantly requesting it because she knew the security provided was too light. BB also had the problem of, if she had US security she might have been taken as too in-bed with the west and would lose the confidence of her voters.... there was a bunch more issues but just these two were enough to end up with this situation.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Gand1
The report I heard on NPR about the whole security issue was a real catch 22 issue and a whole mess of other stupid things thrown in for good measure...

First of all Mushy did not allow foreign security and denied any visa's for US and or other security (like many other county officials have) even though BB had been constantly requesting it because she knew the security provided was too light. BB also had the problem of, if she had US security she might have been taken as too in-bed with the west and would lose the confidence of her voters.... there was a bunch more issues but just these two were enough to end up with this situation.

wow, i hadn't heard that. makes sense, though.

 

[Lemon law]

In terms of she was standing up and the bomb killed her scenario, for the government version of the sun roof lever hit her head with deadly force to work, requires very unlucky timing. We have all seen the pictures, she is standing up with all parts of her body from about the belly button on up exposed to a shooter. Then she is presumably shot at and presumably would try to duck her body into the car itself as fast as she could. A process once started that would take most people less than a second. And at the very moment her head gets level with the sun roof the bomb goes off, the entire car moves into the side of her head hard enough for the sun roof lever to fracture the side of her skull driving skull fragments into her brain and killing her. Its possible but the timing would have to be split second. Because as I recall, it was the side of the skull closest to the bomb that the government claims was fractured.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: RichardE
There trying to place the blame on her for her own security rather than saying it was there fault for not providing enough security.

"She put her head outside the car and the explosion killed her, so she ignored her own safety"

instead of

"We did not adequately ensure that people with AK's were able to get that close to the car unmolested"

Bhutto made a big thing about lack of security so anything they can do to pin this on her they will.

So letting someone get close with a bomb is less of a security failure then letting someone get close with an AK47.

The only cover up here is the government sticking to initial reports so they don't have to say they where wrong.

 

[Lemon law]

I have to agree that the Pakistani government is making the crisis way worse than it should be by trying to stick with a cover up scenario that can't possibly be credible.

And now the government needs some ego saving retraction and let an independent inquiry be their new future official position. So they can learn from the incident for the next time some opposition candidate gets assassinated.