Video released in fatal police shooting of unarmed Oklahoma man

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Maxima1

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This guy is an idiot. In the first example, he was not armed with a car, you dolt. The video cam shows the officer clearly wasn't going to get run over. They tried playing that same BS, with a similar black victim incident, btw.

You can't argue with numbers either. You flatout denying the news agencies' project to document shooting deaths. The data they have is better than the FBI's. And you clearly don't understand statistics by insisting single videos of unarmed white people getting shot. Good grief.
 

soundforbjt

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Bodycam Videos Show Fatal Police Shooting Of Dylan Noble - White, unarmed, shot dead by police. No criminal record. No riots.

While a sickening display of police "work", he was not fully complying, still have proved nothing yet, except that police are wayyyy undertrained.
 

Maxima1

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While a sickening display of police "work", he was not fully complying, still have proved nothing yet.

HELLO? The proof is there. The numbers of unarmed for black and white are roughly similar year-to-year, but many in the black unarmed category are misleading because they didn't get shot for a lack of trying.
 

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HELLO? The proof is there. The numbers of unarmed for black and white are roughly similar year-to-year, but many in the black unarmed category are misleading because they didn't get shot for a lack of trying.
So, you are saying the numbers are similar, yet whites outnumber blacks last time I checked so that would mean they are shot more than whites while complying, correct?
 

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White people didn't get the memo, when one of their own gets shot and killed by the cops, they are supposed to band together, destroy property in their neighborhoods while looting. Since that obviously solves everything.
 

Maxima1

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So, you are saying the numbers are similar, yet whites outnumber blacks last time I checked so that would mean they are shot more than whites while complying, correct?

We're dealing with small numbers year-to-year. Depending on when it's updated, blacks could be slightly ahead or whites. At least from what I've seen. But generally, it looks like white unarmed is a bigger category.

Go look at what the AP has said. Many in the unarmed black category is misleading. So whites obviously get shot more while complying, get it?
 

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I'm not going to keep going around in circles. Police have a big problem in the US that needs to be addressed, THEY are the paid professionals, most do their jobs well, those that don't need to be fired/tried and jailed (if applicable) and barred from being a officer ever again.
 

DrunkenSano

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/tulsa-police-officer-shares-side-story-terence-crutchers/story?id=42243843

Interesting account of events on what happened.

I'm not going to keep going around in circles. Police have a big problem in the US that needs to be addressed, THEY are the paid professionals, most do their jobs well, those that don't need to be fired/tried and jailed (if applicable) and barred from being a officer ever again.

There are definitely bad cops being employed, I fully agree with you, but not to the degree that the media is presenting. There are a lot of idiots who feel they are entitled to not follow the instructions of police officers too, most get away without being shot but there are an unfortunate few who play stupid games and wins the stupid prize.
 

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and realistically the "us vs. them" messaging of the BLM movement is, ironically, encouraging more stupid people to play stupid games which leads to more police shootings, not fewer.

Just like there was no nationwide "knock out game" conspiracy against white people, there is also no nationwide "police shooting" conspiracy against black people. The facts have borne this out - the studies are done. It's irresponsible for activists to continue pushing the agenda in light of the data that is now available. Mobs are easy to lead but the leaders have an obligation to act responsibly once the facts are in. BLM is not doing so.
 

highland145

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For fuck's sake he was convicted and is sitting in jail awaiting sentencing and that doesn't seem like at least a bit of justice to you? That says a lot more about you than it does our justice system. This appears to be a case where the system worked and still we have people pretending that this is somehow a sign of a systemic problem. IT ISN"T. This is an example of the system working.
The guy pled in June and there's still not a sentencing? I think the judge is going to try and slip a lite punishment by down the line.
 

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and realistically the "us vs. them" messaging of the BLM movement is, ironically, encouraging more stupid people to play stupid games which leads to more police shootings, not fewer.

Just like there was no nationwide "knock out game" conspiracy against white people, there is also no nationwide "police shooting" conspiracy against black people. The facts have borne this out - the studies are done. It's irresponsible for activists to continue pushing the agenda in light of the data that is now available. Mobs are easy to lead but the leaders have an obligation to act responsibly once the facts are in. BLM is not doing so.

Here is yet another clueless poster.
 

Humpy

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If charges are going to be filed it is beneficial to the officer, and to public perception, to do it as soon as possible. It's not necessarily any indication of the strength of the case.
 
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If charges are going to be filed it is beneficial to the officer, and to public perception, to do it as soon as possible. It's not necessarily any indication of the strength of the case.
Except in this case voluntary manslaughter seems appropriate. Over-charging typically results in acquittal and temporary satisfaction from the public because a charge was made.
 

HomerJS

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For fuck's sake he was convicted and is sitting in jail awaiting sentencing and that doesn't seem like at least a bit of justice to you? That says a lot more about you than it does our justice system. This appears to be a case where the system worked and still we have people pretending that this is somehow a sign of a systemic problem. IT ISN"T. This is an example of the system working.
If the "system" worked he wouldn't have been shot in the first place. When was the last time an unarmed white guy was shot for complying with an order from a cop?
 

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https://gma.yahoo.com/tulsa-police-...st-degree-210045123--abc-news-topstories.html

Shelby reacted "unreasonably by escalating the situation from a confrontation" with Crutcher, according to an affidavit by an investigator with the Tulsa County District Attorney's Office. Shelby became "emotionally involved" to the point that she overreacted, the affidavit states, adding that she was "not able to see any weapons or bulges indicating a weapon was present."

seems cops need to be trained to detach their emotions so situations like this don't end up escalating like this one did.
 

HomerJS

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White people didn't get the memo, when one of their own gets shot and killed by the cops, they are supposed to band together, destroy property in their neighborhoods while looting. Since that obviously solves everything.
White people usually wait for hockey games and surfing tounaments
 

flexy

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She is charged w/ manslaughter because the Dems/Obama administration is scared they'd else lose Black votes
And the Reps behave like BLM members siding with the Blacks for the same reason, to get some Black votes

in the upcoming elections.

The entire event is used as a political tool.
 

flexy

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https://gma.yahoo.com/tulsa-police-...st-degree-210045123--abc-news-topstories.html
seems cops need to be trained to detach their emotions so situations like this don't end up escalating like this one did.

This entire interpretation is BS. To me it almost appears if there is now a good portion of misogyny mixed into it, implying that the woman "was not fit" for the job and (OH, SURPRISE!) claiming she was emotionally too distraught.....ak "that had be better handled by a man" BULL.SHIT.

Yes OF COURSE it was an "emotional" situation, the guy was on drugs, not complying and seemingly attempting to get back to the car where there was a likelihood for him to fetch a weapon. Any normal person would be "emotionally distraught" in this moment.

Do you think "a man" or "an emotionally more stable cop" would have acted differently?

What do you think would have happened with other cops, if they'd continue shouting to the man to stop moving, get to the ground, but the man WON'T and instead opens the door of his car? I am not a rocket scientists, but there is a good chance that a shot would have happened regardless, no matter what cop, male or female and no matter their experience.
 
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