Video released in fatal police shooting of unarmed Oklahoma man

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brycejones

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If it hasn't already been mentioned, an open air press conference being held by lawyers for the family showed an enlarged photo of the window in question. Their assertion was that the window was closed and blood was evident on the window itself and the door.

With the afterthought of suggestive interpretation being exploited by the lawyers in mind, *at the time* I saw the news report of the conference, it did look as if the lawyers were correct in what they displayed at the press conference.

The plot thickens.

There seems to be some debate about the status of the windows. I'm going to back up and wait for additional info. Anyone who is saying for sure either way is talking out there ass at this point.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Anyone have link to video of black guy at gas station who was shot AFTER being told to get his license from his car?
I will always remember his scream, like "why did you do that!?!?"
Luckily, he lived.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/another-cop-shooting.2401324/

I kept track of a few incidents a couple years back.

1. I can't believe black people don't instantly drop to the ground in police encounters.
2. I can't believe white cops are still shooting unarmed black people.

You would think all this bad press would change behavior on both sides, regardless of your rights.

You must understand that humans do not always act rationally. Most do, and people survive most police stops. But because guns are involved, there WILL be stops where the weapon is used due to bad actions from either side. Not everyone acts rationally, and/or has the same reaction that is expected.
 
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flexy

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Late to the party on this,

but WHY does the state of the window matter so much?

Merely from watching the video it seems to me the guy either "tried to reach into the window" or he tried to open the door to get into the car (and then "reach" for whatever may POSSIBLY have been in the car). With the latter, that he tried to open the door actually more likely.

* the window being up is IRRELEVANT since even the speculation that he could've broken the window to "reach in" has merit and is NOT too far fetched.

What counts here is the perceived threat by the officer:

She was facing this unresponsive man who was likely high on something, MULTIPLE times not complying with her orders.
The man, undeniable, moved towards the car. (Whether to a window, closed or shut, whether to open the car etc...doesn't matter that much in this context, at least not for me).

The officer's assumption that he MAY possibly be about to grab a weapon is entirely legit.

Except the windows were up and he couldn't reach in to his vehicle

IRRELEVANT. The guy was high. What's important is his intention. Why else do you think he walked towards THE SIDE OF HIS CAR, if not (according to any common sense) either to reach in or to get in?

But it's clear that this entire thing now is made into a sharade where it will all come down to "whether the window was up or down", to suggest the guy didn't intend to reach in "because it's impossible since the window was up".

If this had been the case (that he didn't intend this...as lawyers suggest)...hey I must've watched an entirely different video...because, in their speak, he looks indeed like "he ain't up to no good" from his behavior. (Whether he was actually high is ALSO not relevant here, what counts is the threat the officer(s) perceived and in this moment perceived as "real". Here it is ALSO not relevant, for example, whether the officer previously looked into the car and didn't see a weapon. Assuming that her "looking in" had been so thorough that the cops could ENTIRELY exclude that the guy could not produce a weapon that he possibly had in the car somewhere, possibly hidden, is ABSURD).
 
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CitizenKain

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Late to the party on this,

but WHY does the state of the window matter so much?

Merely from watching the video it seems to me the guy either "tried to reach into the window" or he tried to open the door to get into the car (and then "reach" for whatever may POSSIBLY have been in the car). With the latter, that he tried to open the door actually more likely.

* the window being up is IRRELEVANT since even the speculation that he could've broken the window to "reach in" has merit and is NOT too far fetched.

What counts here is the perceived threat by the officer:

She was facing this unresponsive man who was likely high on something, MULTIPLE times not complying with her orders.
The man, undeniable, moved towards the car. (Whether to a window, closed or shut, whether to open the car etc...doesn't matter that much in this context, at least not for me).

The officer's assumption that he MAY possibly be about to grab a weapon is entirely legit.



IRRELEVANT. The guy was high. What's important is his intention. Why else do you think he walked towards THE SIDE OF HIS CAR, if not (according to any common sense) either to reach in or to get in?

But it's clear that this entire thing now is made into a sharade where it will all come down to "whether the window was up or down", to suggest the guy didn't intend to reach in "because it's impossible since the window was up".

If this had been the case (that he didn't intend this...as lawyers suggest)...hey I must've watched an entirely different video...because, in their speak, he looks indeed like "he ain't up to no good" from his behavior. (Whether he was actually high is ALSO not relevant here, what counts is the threat the officer(s) perceived and in this moment perceived as "real". Here it is ALSO not relevant, for example, whether the officer previously looked into the car and didn't see a weapon. Assuming that her "looking in" had been so thorough that the cops could ENTIRELY exclude that the guy could not produce a weapon that he possibly had in the car somewhere, possibly hidden, is ABSURD).

What a load of shit.
 
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flexy

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"He was told to get his ID" <-- really?
They'd tell a suspect to get back INTO HIS CAR to fetch an ID? Are you for real?
The officers stated "he is still walking, refusing orders" while he was walking towards the car, pretty much disproving your theory.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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"He was told to get his ID" <-- really?
They'd tell a suspect to get back INTO HIS CAR to fetch an ID? Are you for real?
The officers stated "he is still walking, refusing orders" while he was walking towards the car, pretty much disproving your theory.
Those officers saying that in the video were in a helicopter, how would they hear any orders given?
 

HomerJS

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Anyone have link to video of black guy at gas station who was shot AFTER being told to get his license from his car?
I will always remember his scream, like "why did you do that!?!?"
Luckily, he lived.

1. I can't believe black people don't instantly drop to the ground in police encounters.
2. I can't believe white cops are still shooting unarmed black people.

You would think all this bad press would change behavior on both sides, regardless of your rights.
As for black people this may clue you in. He complied and got shot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4GSehYkt8Y
 

bshole

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And I can't find that he has been sentenced yet.

http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article90036632.html

For fuck's sake he was convicted and is sitting in jail awaiting sentencing and that doesn't seem like at least a bit of justice to you? That says a lot more about you than it does our justice system. This appears to be a case where the system worked and still we have people pretending that this is somehow a sign of a systemic problem. IT ISN"T. This is an example of the system working.
 
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highland145

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For fuck's sake he was convicted and is sitting in jail awaiting sentencing and that doesn't seem like at least a bit of justice to you? That says a lot more about you than it does our justice system. This appears to be a case where the system worked and still we have people pretending that this is somehow a sign of a systemic problem. IT ISN"T. This is an example of the system working.
BWAHAHAHAHA

You know me so well.

:rolleyeyes;
 

Maxima1

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As for black people this may clue you in. He complied and got shot

It happens to white people, too. This isn't really evidence that there's rampant police brutality against blacks. You realize you just gave me one cherry-picked example when there are many more interactions that wouldn't have supported the agenda? There are millions of police interactions with civilians. A tiny fraction of those result in using deadly force. And then a fraction of those are people unarmed (of which more whites are victims of). And then a fraction of those aren't mistakes, irrational fear, anger, etc.
 

soundforbjt

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It happens to white people, too. This isn't really evidence that there's rampant police brutality against blacks. You realize you just gave me one cherry-picked example when there are many more interactions that wouldn't have supported the agenda? There are millions of police interactions with civilians. A tiny fraction of those result in using deadly force. And then a fraction of those are people unarmed (of which more whites are victims of). And then a fraction of those aren't mistakes, irrational fear, anger, etc.
Can you link me a recent story of this happening? Within the past twelve months, shouldn't be too hard since you claim it happens to whites more frequently.
 
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soundforbjt

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The first video is wrong for your claim (he was endangering the officer by moving his car and trying to flee, the second one is not a gun fired but a taser. The second video comes close, but no cigar.
I want one with the guy complying and getting shot with a gun.
 
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highland145

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The first video is wrong for your claim (he was endangering the officer by moving his car and trying to flee, the second one is not a gun fired but a taser. The second video comes close, but no cigar.
Interesting information.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/u...e-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0

A small excerpt.
In shootings in these 10 cities involving officers, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white. Black and white civilians involved in police shootings were equally likely to have been carrying a weapon. Both results undercut the idea of racial bias in police use of lethal force.
 

Maxima1

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The first video is wrong for your claim (he was endangering the officer by moving his car and trying to flee, the second one is not a gun fired but a taser. The second video comes close, but no cigar.

lmao! That's BS. He was obviously just taking off and the officer was not going to get run over. The rebuttal is so phony anyways. 9/10 times, you can say the same thing with unarmed black persons getting shot, and with your asinine standard, 10/10.

As for the second, he tased him for many seconds in the chest area. The cop was an idiot and the victom got severe brain damaged from it. You can bet your *** if it was a black man, there would have been outrage.

You can't argue with me anyways. It's a fact. More white people get shot, and even in the unarmed category the same happens. And we find that many "unarmed" black people ended up trying to get an officer's gun etc. that led to them getting shot, so arguably, a significant portion of the "unarmed" black category, is misleading.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/08/08/black-and-unarmed/

"Those 24 cases [unarmed] constitute a surprisingly small fraction of the 585 people shot and killed by police through Friday evening, according to The Post database. Most of those killed were white or Hispanic, and the vast majority of victims of all races were armed."
 

soundforbjt

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lmao! That's BS. He was obviously just taking off and the officer was not going to get run over. The rebuttal is so phony anyways. 9/10 times, you can say the same thing with unarmed black persons getting shot, and with your asinine standard, 10/10.

As for the second, he tased him for many seconds in the chest area. The cop was an idiot and the victom got severe brain damaged from it. You can bet your *** if it was a black man, there would have been outrage.

You can't argue with me anyways. It's a fact. More white people get shot, and even in the unarmed category the same happens. And we find that many "unarmed" black people ended up trying to get an officer's gun etc. that led to them getting shot, so arguably, a significant portion of the "unarmed" black category, is misleading.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/08/08/black-and-unarmed/

"Those 24 cases [unarmed] constitute a surprisingly small fraction of the 585 people shot and killed by police through Friday evening, according to The Post database. Most of those killed were white or Hispanic, and the vast majority of victims of all races were armed."

So you got nothing. Can't find one case, yet you make the claim it happens to white people more often. I don't disagree, the officer in the second case was an idiot and way out of line. Don't make a claim if you can't back it up. Unfortunately records of this nature are not freely available,
 

Maxima1

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So you got nothing. Can't find one case, yet you make the claim it happens to white people more often. I don't disagree, the officer in the second case was an idiot and way out of line. Don't make a claim if you can't back it up. Unfortunately records of this nature are not freely available,

I just disproved you. The data shows that white people get shot more. Period. I'm not going to get examples of single incidents just to satisfy you. You can do that yourself by going to liveleak or documentingreality.
 

soundforbjt

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I just disproved you. The data shows that white people get shot more. Period. I'm not going to get examples of single incidents just to satisfy you. You can do that yourself by going to liveleak or documentingreality.

Your claim was that white unarmed white people get shot more while complying than black people, I asked for one example happening in the last 12 months and you came back with two videos, neither of which showed what I asked.
 
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