Video released in fatal police shooting of unarmed Oklahoma man

[ivwshane]

If the "system" worked he wouldn't have been shot in the first place. When was the last time an unarmed white guy was shot for complying with an order from a cop?

Just to compare: We have a terrorist who attempted to kill many people, shoot at an officer several times and the guy is still alive. We had a person who murdered multiple people in a church who was apprehended and caught alive, not a scratch.

I don't believe it's your traditional racism where people consciously hate/fear black people but rather its a subconscious racial bias and even black cops are susceptible to it. But to claim it doesn't exist in any meaningful way is just plane stupid.

 

[Humpy]

She is charged w/ manslaughter because the Dems/Obama administration is scared they'd else lose Black votes
And the Reps behave like BLM members siding with the Blacks for the same reason, to get some Black votes

in the upcoming elections.

The entire event is used as a political tool.

Mods, can we get a forum name change to Politics or News so people don't just assume it always has to be both?

Thanks!

 

[master_shake_]

am i allowed to say that no matter what colour you are, being shot dead unarmed by police is a bad thing?

or is that too close to all lives matter?

 

[highland145]

am i allowed to say that no matter what colour you are, being shot dead unarmed by police is a bad thing?

or is that too close to all lives matter?

lol it"s too close to "Step into their shoes, idiot. "


R

 

[master_shake_]

lol it"s too close to "Step into their shoes, idiot. "


R

?? huh

 

[highland145]

?? huh

Sorry, master_shake, you're not allowed. Sorry for not being clearer.

 

[master_shake_]

Sorry, master_shake, you're not allowed. Sorry for not being clearer.

ah ok then.

 

[Maxima1]

If the "system" worked he wouldn't have been shot in the first place. When was the last time an unarmed white guy was shot for complying with an order from a cop?

Just to compare: We have a terrorist who attempted to kill many people, shoot at an officer several times and the guy is still alive. We had a person who murdered multiple people in a church who was apprehended and caught alive, not a scratch.

I don't believe it's your traditional racism where people consciously hate/fear black people but rather its a subconscious racial bias and even black cops are susceptible to it. But to claim it doesn't exist in any meaningful way is just plane stupid.

Seriously? The white cops have such racial animus that they won’t get mad enough to shoot a white mass murderer, someone shooting at them, or even a Muslim terrorist on the spot, but will shoot and kill the black kid for just walking?

Not only that, but it's just plain idiotic to think that a comparison of outcomes of just a few different incidents is actually statistically significant.

 

[bshole]

From my perspective, three things contributed greatly to charges

1. Shooter was female. It is my understanding that females are generally not accepted as equals even today on police forces. The thin blue line is for males only.
2. She was the only one to shoot. The three other cops did not feel as threatened and did not shoot. This could be problematic for her at trial.
3. I heard somewhere that she had already searched the car. If that was true, she would have less reason to feel threatened, not more.

One thing that bothers me is the shooting in the Minnesota over mistaken identity. To me that shooter should have obviously been charged. Here we are over a month later and that shooter has not been charged. The charges may be warranted in this case but to me at least it is less obvious. It is fair to say that this problem has risen to a national crisis. I would prefer all such cases to be handled at a federal level so there is more objectivity and consistency in charging.

 

[Maxima1]

From my perspective, three things contributed greatly to charges

1. Shooter was female. It is my understanding that females are generally not accepted as equals even today on police forces. The thin blue line is for males only.

I don't think so. In this climate, it's simply because of the video and the fact that a black man who had his arms up (regardless of disobeying or not) was unarmed/threat low or nonexistent. I think people are actually more likely to be sympathetic to a female officer. In the justice system, females do tend to get lighter sentences. So if anything, she'll get the benefit of the doubt from being an officer and a female.

In this case, the female cop won in court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2h7rHgBzTc

 

[purbeast0]

I don't think so. In this climate, it's simply because of the video and the fact that a black man who had his arms up (regardless of disobeying or not) was unarmed/threat low or nonexistent. I think people are actually more likely to be sympathetic to a female officer. In the justice system, females do tend to get lighter sentences. So if anything, she'll get the benefit of the doubt from being an officer and a female.

In this case, the female cop won in court.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2h7rHgBzTc

Is that video photoshopped? That guy looks white and according to this thread that has never happened.

 

[Zorba]

From my perspective, three things contributed greatly to charges

1. Shooter was female. It is my understanding that females are generally not accepted as equals even today on police forces. The thin blue line is for males only.
2. She was the only one to shoot. The three other cops did not feel as threatened and did not shoot. This could be problematic for her at trial.
3. I heard somewhere that she had already searched the car. If that was true, she would have less reason to feel threatened, not more.

One thing that bothers me is the shooting in the Minnesota over mistaken identity. To me that shooter should have obviously been charged. Here we are over a month later and that shooter has not been charged. The charges may be warranted in this case but to me at least it is less obvious. It is fair to say that this problem has risen to a national crisis. I would prefer all such cases to be handled at a federal level so there is more objectivity and consistency in charging.

Just anecdotally, I think Oklahoma tends to be better at holding cops accountable than other places.

 

[cyclohexane]

Think about this:

1. Eveytime a young white woman goes missing, you get overwhelming media coverage. Nothing if a black woman goes missing.

2. Overwhelming coverage of unarmed black guys getting shot. Much less coverage for white guys.

3. Now that white suburban guys are addicted to heroin, we suddenly have a national crisis. When in fact no one cared when heroin was primarily a problem among inner city black guys for the past 40 years.

Point is, the media and therefore society as a whole is inherently racist. Whether they realize it or not.

 

[VRAMdemon]

https://gma.yahoo.com/tulsa-police-...st-degree-210045123--abc-news-topstories.html



seems cops need to be trained to detach their emotions so situations like this don't end up escalating like this one did.

The whole "He looked like he was high on PCP! Of course he was scary and threatening!" narrative is dubious at best...

You also know who looks like they could be on PCP? People with neurological conditions. Like those caused by car accidents. Or those caused by physical assault. For all that Officer knew, Crutcher's behavior was due to a medical problem--explaining why his vehicle was stuck there in the middle of the road. For all she knew, he'd just been in a car accident or he'd just been attacked by another motorist. But no. Her first reaction was to shout orders with her gun pointed at him.

Acting like a weirdo with black skin shouldn't warrant a death sentence. You're afraid of black weirdos, then don't be a freakin' police officer. Be something else. You don't get to shoot every twitchy person you see. Some people twitch and mumble for perfectly valid reasons. If someone isn't communicative and they're acting bizarre, call for an EMT. Because you might be dealing with someone who needs medical treatment. Not a fucking bullet in his chest.

The more shit like this keeps happening, the more I wish we could have Robocop. Robocop would have some downsides, but at least it wouldn't be afraid all the time.

 

[master_shake_]

i didn't even know she was charged.

 

[Roflmouth]

She'll be acquitted, as all these officers are when they're idiotically charged by political appointees desperate to quell the animals burning down their own neighborhoods for no reason.

 

[Darwin333]

For fuck's sake he was convicted and is sitting in jail awaiting sentencing and that doesn't seem like at least a bit of justice to you? That says a lot more about you than it does our justice system. This appears to be a case where the system worked and still we have people pretending that this is somehow a sign of a systemic problem. IT ISN"T. This is an example of the system working.

He was charged with, and plead guilty to, assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature. A single charge of assault and battery for shooting and killing an unarmed man following his commands. OTOH when they arrest non-violent people almost every case the person is charged with half a dozen retarded crimes along with what they really did. If a citizen did this they would be charged with murder, unlawful discharge of a firearm, public endangerment, brandishing a firearm, giving false report to the police, obstruction of justice and a whole slew of other crimes. I'd bet a years pay that the cop plead guilty because of the absolutely sweetheart of a charge the prosecutor hooked him up with. The cop didn't even have a valid reason to pull his gun much less pull the trigger and lets not forget that he later lied and said that the dead innocent guy lunged at him.

So no, the system did not work in this case, in my personal opinion. He didn't exactly get off scott free but he damn sure isn't receiving anything remotely close to what would be considered justice.

 

[bshole]

He was charged with, and plead guilty to, assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature. A single charge of assault and battery for shooting and killing an unarmed man following his commands. OTOH when they arrest non-violent people almost every case the person is charged with half a dozen retarded crimes along with what they really did. If a citizen did this they would be charged with murder, unlawful discharge of a firearm, public endangerment, brandishing a firearm, giving false report to the police, obstruction of justice and a whole slew of other crimes. I'd bet a years pay that the cop plead guilty because of the absolutely sweetheart of a charge the prosecutor hooked him up with. The cop didn't even have a valid reason to pull his gun much less pull the trigger and lets not forget that he later lied and said that the dead innocent guy lunged at him.

So no, the system did not work in this case, in my personal opinion. He didn't exactly get off scott free but he damn sure isn't receiving anything remotely close to what would be considered justice.

I believe the man is alive and well. Fully recovered actually. My information was that he was shot in the leg. One of us is confused but I don't which. It is just as likely to be me as you.

 

[highland145]

Correct, not killed. But, for some reason, I'm thinking paralyzed.

 

[Darwin333]

She is charged w/ manslaughter because the Dems/Obama administration is scared they'd else lose Black votes
And the Reps behave like BLM members siding with the Blacks for the same reason, to get some Black votes

in the upcoming elections.

The entire event is used as a political tool.

1. Are you seriously implying that blacks would have voted for Trump had charges not been brought???

2. Are you seriously implying that Obama/Dems called the local prosecutor and demanded that he/she press charges? If so, what's the "or else" if he/she didn't obey?

 

[flexy]

I am implying that "them" pressing charges will secure them more black votes as opposed to YET another "not pressed charges against cop" scenario which would piss blacks off and cost this administration (Dems) votes.
Who called to press charges and whether anyone was "pressured" to press charges, I obviously don't know and it was admittedly speculation.

 

[Darwin333]

Yes OF COURSE it was an "emotional" situation, the guy was on drugs, not complying and seemingly attempting to get back to the car where there was a likelihood for him to fetch a weapon. Any normal person would be "emotionally distraught" in this moment.

Most rational and sane people don't think you should be allowed to kill someone in cold blood because of a completely unknown "likelihood" that they might be trying to reach into a vehicle that might contain a weapon yet there is no actual evidence whatsoever of any weapon actually existing. It's just as likely that he was trying to grab a bottle of water because he was parched. Hell if there was a bottle of water in the vehicle then it's actually a thousand times MORE likely.

Do you think "a man" or "an emotionally more stable cop" would have acted differently?

Well I am not going to engage you with your sexist bullshit but there were 3 other cops there that did not fear for their lives to the point of pulling the trigger. That is as much proof as we are going to get.

What do you think would have happened with other cops, if they'd continue shouting to the man to stop moving, get to the ground, but the man WON'T and instead opens the door of his car? I am not a rocket scientists, but there is a good chance that a shot would have happened regardless, no matter what cop, male or female and no matter their experience.

I'd hope that at least one cop would have had a few brain cells to rub around, would have looked to his left and right and seen 3 of his buddies with guns trained on the guy and then pulled his tazer out and juiced the guy up for a few seconds. Then one of his buddies would have put him in cuffs and they would have went on about their day. There are hundreds of videos and many thousands of similar encounters that have happened very much like this before with no one ending up dead.

Bottom line, dude was not a deadly threat to the officers and therefore did not deserve to get dead, regardless of how stupid he was.

 

[Vic]

She'll be acquitted, as all these officers are when they're idiotically charged by political appointees desperate to quell the animals burning down their own neighborhoods for no reason.

Yeah, but you're not racist, right?

 

[flexy]

Most rational and sane people don't think you should be allowed to kill someone in cold blood because of a completely unknown "likelihood" that they might be trying to reach into a vehicle that might contain a weapon yet there is no actual evidence whatsoever of any weapon actually existing. It's just as likely that he was trying to grab a bottle of water because he was parched. Hell if there was a bottle of water in the vehicle then it's actually a thousand times MORE likely.

Well I am not going to engage you with your sexist bullshit but there were 3 other cops there that did not fear for their lives to the point of pulling the trigger. That is as much proof as we are going to get.

I'd hope that at least one cop would have had a few brain cells to rub around, would have looked to his left and right and seen 3 of his buddies with guns trained on the guy and then pulled his tazer out and juiced the guy up for a few seconds. Then one of his buddies would have put him in cuffs and they would have went on about their day. There are hundreds of videos and many thousands of similar encounters that have happened very much like this before with no one ending up dead.

Bottom line, dude was not a deadly threat to the officers and therefore did not deserve to get dead, regardless of how stupid he was.

I AGREE with you that they should have tasered him.

But, I was not there, neither am I a cop. You do not know whether any of the other cops also perceived the situation as a deadly threat. Saying the woman did, and did so unjustified, and the guys did not is speculation. In the same way I cannot say that the woman was not "trained properly" or "not up to the task". I can see however that the situation may have been perceived as dangerous.

I do agree (after some thinking about this) that the cop should NOT have shot, since even despite her likely perceiving the situation as dangerous, she has no business to shoot if there is no ACTUAL, undeniable threat...aka the guy pointing a weapon at her. And also "refusing orders" should be no reason for deadly force.

 

[Darwin333]

I believe the man is alive and well. Fully recovered actually. My information was that he was shot in the leg. One of us is confused but I don't which. It is just as likely to be me as you.

It could very well be me but remove the "murder" from my statement and everything else still stands.