Video: Solar Freakin Roadways promo video

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Solar Freakin Roadways

Solar roadways always makes a good discussion on forums that it hasn't been discussed on for years. Even better when they have a newly released video made to entertain the younger generations, and perhaps the older.

So what do you think? Will our children being driving on solar panels, if we can figure out how to pay for them?
 

IronWing

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I'd prefer to see the panels over the roadways. It would be a good use of space and driving in the shade would save A/C energy.
 

ImpulsE69

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The heated roads so no ice thing sounds intriguing living in the midwest and all. Of course, I'm curious exactly how much in tax dollars it will cost us. If they can figure out how to waste more money putting them in than saving, they will.
 

Red Squirrel

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It's neat idea, but would be useless in winter. It would be more economical to make them roofs over roads that are slanted enough with standard panels so the snow can mostly fall off, it would also save on plowing the roads. They'd still have to be cleared after storms but the process could be automated such as a wiper system that tries to trigger it to avalanche off. They'd just have to do the standard routine snow removal to remove the snow banks. some would make it on the road from wind but you still want some snow on the road so it can pack in and fill the pot holes. In summer it would also allow to drive without the sun in your eyes.

As for the fact that these are heated. LOL you would need a crap ton of power to melt a couple feet of overnight snow. Not only melt, but evaporate the water too. I'm all for green energy, but still have to be realistic.

Actually these would be cool indoors, in places that have lot of windows or sky lights. That is probably the best application.
 

BUTCH1

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It's neat idea, but would be useless in winter. It would be more economical to make them roofs over roads that are slanted enough with standard panels so the snow can mostly fall off, it would also save on plowing the roads. They'd still have to be cleared after storms but the process could be automated such as a wiper system that tries to trigger it to avalanche off. They'd just have to do the standard routine snow removal to remove the snow banks. some would make it on the road from wind but you still want some snow on the road so it can pack in and fill the pot holes. In summer it would also allow to drive without the sun in your eyes.

As for the fact that these are heated. LOL you would need a crap ton of power to melt a couple feet of overnight snow. Not only melt, but evaporate the water too. I'm all for green energy, but still have to be realistic.

Actually these would be cool indoors, in places that have lot of windows or sky lights. That is probably the best application.

But a roof would lose the advantages of the built-in LED's that could warn drivers of traffic jams ahead plus the roof's would have to be capable of withstanding high wind loads as well. Bottom line is this is a good idea but someone has to sit down and crunch the numbers, as in the $$ invested in buying the panels and the installation costs and how long it would take to break even, if they could be just installed over existing asphalt that would be a huge plus, if not you gonna have to dig out what's already there and "find a home" for it and that won't come cheap or easy as asphalt contains petroleum products, IDK if it would be feasible to just have huge piles of it, there might be an environmental issue.
 

MrDudeMan

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There's so much fail here...

It's neat idea, but would be useless in winter. It would be more economical to make them roofs over roads that are slanted enough with standard panels so the snow can mostly fall off, it would also save on plowing the roads. They'd still have to be cleared after storms but the process could be automated such as a wiper system that tries to trigger it to avalanche off. They'd just have to do the standard routine snow removal to remove the snow banks. some would make it on the road from wind but you still want some snow on the road so it can pack in and fill the pot holes. In summer it would also allow to drive without the sun in your eyes.

This is absolutely ridiculous. Building a structure over every road is way, way more unrealistic than a road composed of solar panels. The cost would be astronomical and the logistics all but impossible. Costs would be extremely high and repairs would be frequent and dangerous for workers, unacceptable for traffic, or both at the same time.

As for the fact that these are heated. LOL you would need a crap ton of power to melt a couple feet of overnight snow. Not only melt, but evaporate the water too. I'm all for green energy, but still have to be realistic.

Fail again. You don't have to melt 'feet' of snow. You have to melt the layer that can't be plowed with a truck. Also, if the road is generating a low amount of heat as the moisture collects, it will immediately melt some of it, which aids in overall removal. It also defers slick roads for some amount of time. Lastly, the amount of power required isn't very high considering the road is generating some on its own, which could likely be stored specifically for this purpose.

Actually these would be cool indoors, in places that have lot of windows or sky lights. That is probably the best application.

These would be absolutely worthless indoors. You seriously don't have a damn clue about solar power.
 

BUTCH1

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There's so much fail here...



This is absolutely ridiculous. Building a structure over every road is way, way more unrealistic than a road composed of solar panels. The cost would be astronomical and the logistics all but impossible. Costs would be extremely high and repairs would be frequent and dangerous for workers, unacceptable for traffic, or both at the same time.



Fail again. You don't have to melt 'feet' of snow. You have to melt the layer that can't be plowed with a truck. Also, if the road is generating a low amount of heat as the moisture collects, it will immediately melt some of it, which aids in overall removal. It also defers slick roads for some amount of time. Lastly, the amount of power required isn't very high considering the road is generating some on its own, which could likely be stored specifically for this purpose.



These would be absolutely worthless indoors. You seriously don't have a damn clue about solar power.

Yea, having a flooring that can withstand the weight of a semi-truck might be a "little" overkill for foot traffic and they're not designed with decorative purpose in mind either LOL..
 

mmntech

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I'm curious about durability. Sure it's enough to hold up regular traffic. However, in the real world you have to deal with overweight trucks, collisions, chemical spills, and vehicle fires. Asphalt can be replaced fairly quickly and cheaply if it gets damaged. You get a good truck fire and it puts out enough heat to liquefy the tarmac. Usually get those a couple times a year. Can the glass withstand that kind of heat? What about diesel or chemicals spilled on to the roadway? I assume the electronics are all sealed to prevent liquids and salt getting in and corroding components.

Cost is another factor. Photovoltaic solar is a pretty expensive way to generate electricity. I didn't watch the video but the Indigogo page didn't mention anything about cost per kilometer to lay this down. Though I would assume it's quite a bit more than asphalt and concrete. How long would it take to recoup the cost of installation while maintaining reasonable/affordable electricity rates? Anytime you raise hydro rates, it a big tax on low and middle income families. Same with road tolls.

Another issue is how it will withstand cold climates. Yes, it melts snow but how does it hold up to the roadbed heaving during freeze/thaw cycles?

I don't think this is a terrible idea but I do think it might be a little impractical to convert large stretches of highway to this. That's just due to cost alone. Where I think the technology really would shine (no pun intended) is parking lots. If the price is reasonable enough, businesses could cut down significantly on their hydro usage and snow clearing costs. Plus the built in LEDs could show customers where empty parking spots are.
 

MrDudeMan

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I'm curious about durability. Sure it's enough to hold up regular traffic. However, in the real world you have to deal with overweight trucks, collisions, chemical spills, and vehicle fires. Asphalt can be replaced fairly quickly and cheaply if it gets damaged. You get a good truck fire and it puts out enough heat to liquefy the tarmac. Usually get those a couple times a year. Can the glass withstand that kind of heat? What about diesel or chemicals spilled on to the roadway? I assume the electronics are all sealed to prevent liquids and salt getting in and corroding components.

Glass is just as, if not more, resilient than asphalt to most of the things you mentioned. Also, replacing the panels would be way easier than ripping up the road to redo asphalt. Traffic congestion is increased for days or weeks when a traditional road needs to be fixed. If you could replace a section of panels, it might take a day or less.

Cost is another factor. Photovoltaic solar is a pretty expensive way to generate electricity. I didn't watch the video but the Indigogo page didn't mention anything about cost per kilometer to lay this down. Though I would assume it's quite a bit more than asphalt and concrete.

Why would you assume that? By your own admission you don't know anything about the cost of this product, lol... You think glass is an exorbitantly priced product compared to asphalt? They can essentially create these panels out of trash. It doesn't get much cheaper than that.

How long would it take to recoup the cost of installation while maintaining reasonable/affordable electricity rates? Anytime you raise hydro rates, it a big tax on low and middle income families. Same with road tolls.

What the hell does this have to do with anything? I don't see them pushing road tolls nor did they mention that it would be a way to fund construction of the roads. If that happened, it wouldn't be any different than anywhere else. Toll roads are usually much better roads for a reason. I drive on them as often as possible because it makes my commute faster and a road that's interactive would surely be better still.

Larger initial cost is diminished by lower long term costs. That's pretty obviously the angle with this.

Another issue is how it will withstand cold climates. Yes, it melts snow but how does it hold up to the roadbed heaving during freeze/thaw cycles?

You mean asphalt holds up really well to temperature cycling? Surely you jest. This is an engineered piece of glass that's likely the same hardness as steel. I'm sure they aren't indestructible, but I'm also sure cold temperatures aren't an issue. He says it in the video.

I don't think this is a terrible idea but I do think it might be a little impractical to convert large stretches of highway to this. That's just due to cost alone. Where I think the technology really would shine (no pun intended) is parking lots. If the price is reasonable enough, businesses could cut down significantly on their hydro usage and snow clearing costs. Plus the built in LEDs could show customers where empty parking spots are.

I think you're confusing the words hydro and electricity. Hydro is a way to generate electricity and/or the name of a company that distributes it, which makes no sense in your above statement.

Maybe it's impractical right now, but I highly doubt it will be significantly more expensive than asphalt or concrete as a road surface long term. We have tons of garbage and oil isn't getting less expensive. These panels can also be recycled far easier than traditional road surfaces. If you only focus on the initial cost, you're going to miss the actual comparative analysis.
 

mmntech

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Glass is just as, if not more, resilient than asphalt to most of the things you mentioned. Also, replacing the panels would be way easier than ripping up the road to redo asphalt. Traffic congestion is increased for days or weeks when a traditional road needs to be fixed. If you could replace a section of panels, it might take a day or less.



Why would you assume that? By your own admission you don't know anything about the cost of this product, lol... You think glass is an exorbitantly priced product compared to asphalt? They can essentially create these panels out of trash. It doesn't get much cheaper than that.



What the hell does this have to do with anything? I don't see them pushing road tolls nor did they mention that it would be a way to fund construction of the roads. If that happened, it wouldn't be any different than anywhere else. Toll roads are usually much better roads for a reason. I drive on them as often as possible because it makes my commute faster and a road that's interactive would surely be better still.

Larger initial cost is diminished by lower long term costs. That's pretty obviously the angle with this.



You mean asphalt holds up really well to temperature cycling? Surely you jest. This is an engineered piece of glass that's likely the same hardness as steel. I'm sure they aren't indestructible, but I'm also sure cold temperatures aren't an issue. He says it in the video.



I think you're confusing the words hydro and electricity. Hydro is a way to generate electricity and/or the name of a company that distributes it, which makes no sense in your above statement.

Maybe it's impractical right now, but I highly doubt it will be significantly more expensive than asphalt or concrete as a road surface long term. We have tons of garbage and oil isn't getting less expensive. These panels can also be recycled far easier than traditional road surfaces. If you only focus on the initial cost, you're going to miss the actual comparative analysis.

I grew up in construction. My dad is a civil engineer who specialized in bridge and overpass work on highways. I worked for his company for years doing pricing, so yes I do know about the materials, what they cost, and how much repairs to roadways should cost. So don't tell me I'm full of crap.

Asphalt can be repaired very quickly and cheaply if it gets damaged. You pour hot mix into the hole and stamp it down. It's why you don't see concrete being used more often. It lasts longer but it's costlier build and to repair. If one of these solar panels get damaged, you're probably going to have to replace the whole unit. That's expensive. Which is why the ROI matters. People in the green industry assume people are going to want to fork over more for electricity and road taxes just to get clean energy. They aren't. That's been proven time and time again. That whole philosophy has devastated manufacturing and mining here in Ontario, and cost a lot of jobs.

Without any cost information from the company, it's difficult to say whether the project is even viable. It may be very practical and work out to be a lot cheaper than asphalt in the long run, but none of that information has been provided. Plus if we were to go ahead with it, I want to be certain the product is going to stand up to harsh conditions. Just saying glass is tough isn't enough. If we're going to implement an expensive roadway technology, I need to be certain it's going to stand up far better than both asphalt and concrete. I think it would work much better on a small scale for now.

That's my angry rant.

As for hydro and electric generation not being the same, they are in Canada. Hydro is used as a catch all term for electricity generation regardless of the source. It's a cultural thing because the first power plants were all hydroelectric. Sort of like how kleenex has become an umbrella term for all facial tissues. Now we use nuclear, gas, coal, solar, and wind but the name stuck. So if I refer to hydro rates or hydro generation, that's why.
 

TwiceOver

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Some sort of cost per distance measurement would be nice.

I like the idea, jut don't think it is economically realistic. Also, who do you think is going to build all these panels? Won't be here in the USA.
 

MrDudeMan

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I grew up in construction. My dad is a civil engineer who specialized in bridge and overpass work on highways. I worked for his company for years doing pricing, so yes I do know about the materials, what they cost, and how much repairs to roadways should cost. So don't tell me I'm full of crap.

Unless you worked with glass substrates, then yes, you're still full of shit. You may know the cost of asphalt, but you don't know jack about the cost of these solar panels. Also, I'm a civil and electrical engineer, not my dad.

Asphalt can be repaired very quickly and cheaply if it gets damaged. You pour hot mix into the hole and stamp it down. It's why you don't see concrete being used more often. It lasts longer but it's costlier build and to repair.

I have actually designed roads, not just repaired them. Also, you're talking about fixes that are very small. Your initial reason for why the solar panels would be a bad idea was because they would be hard to replace if something much larger scale happened. Tell me the process for removing an entire section of road due to a chemical spill that compromised it and then you'll be on the same page with your initial statement. If you want to talk about ease of replacement on a small scale problem, a solar panel would be just as easy, if not easier, to replace. It's bolted on and that means it will look like new instead of like a patchwork quilt after the repair. Lastly, patched asphalt roads degrade far more quickly and develop potholes much more readily. There's no comparison here.

Where I live, the roads are nearly 100% concrete because they're far more rugged and cost effective long term compared to asphalt.

If one of these solar panels get damaged, you're probably going to have to replace the whole unit. That's expensive. Which is why the ROI matters.

ROI matters? Someone alert the president. You're basically trying to explain to me what I said in rebuttal to your shortsighted ideas about why the solar panels are a bad idea. The initial investment will probably be higher than traditional roads, but the long term cost will probably be lower. Take notice of the words I'm using because we still don't actually know the cost. You keep trying to sound authoritative on the cost aspect of this idea, but you don't actually know.

People in the green industry assume people are going to want to fork over more for electricity and road taxes just to get clean energy. They aren't. That's been proven time and time again. That whole philosophy has devastated manufacturing and mining here in Ontario, and cost a lot of jobs.

First of all, Ontario isn't the whole planet. Secondly, this still has nothing to do with the viability of the actual solar panels on a road, which was your initial premise. You still don't actually know the cost, which makes this whole paragraph pointless. If you really want to talk about ROI again, then the solar panels rate much, much higher than traditional roads because they're actually generating power unless they have to be replaced before they pay for themselves, which we don't know.

Without any cost information from the company, it's difficult to say whether the project is even viable. It may be very practical and work out to be a lot cheaper than asphalt in the long run, but none of that information has been provided.

Thanks for coming full circle and admitting you don't know anything about the cost of this product. This point, while true, effectively invalidates the rest of your cost related arguments.

Plus if we were to go ahead with it, I want to be certain the product is going to stand up to harsh conditions.

You should write an email to the couple who designed the panels. I'm betting they haven't considered this.

Just saying glass is tough isn't enough. If we're going to implement an expensive roadway technology, I need to be certain it's going to stand up far better than both asphalt and concrete. I think it would work much better on a small scale for now.

You're making it sound like you're the authority on whether or not this idea comes to fruition. You clearly have no idea what design cycles are actually like if you think they aren't trying it on a small scale first (hint: that's already happening).

That's my angry rant.



As for hydro and electric generation not being the same, they are in Canada. Hydro is used as a catch all term for electricity generation regardless of the source. It's a cultural thing because the first power plants were all hydroelectric. Sort of like how kleenex has become an umbrella term for all facial tissues. Now we use nuclear, gas, coal, solar, and wind but the name stuck. So if I refer to hydro rates or hydro generation, that's why.

I understood that's why you were doing it after spending five seconds to google the term, but that makes absolutely no difference. Hydro is not electricity nor is it a viable word substitution just because you've somehow been conditioned to use it that way. It's not a cultural thing in any capacity. It's a stupid thing.
 

MrDudeMan

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Some sort of cost per distance measurement would be nice.

I like the idea, jut don't think it is economically realistic. Also, who do you think is going to build all these panels? Won't be here in the USA.

The cost per mile would be really nice to have. Right now, we don't really know. I could estimate the cost per sq. in. of the PCBs + assembly, but the materials aren't easy to estimate because of multiple potential sources.

Here's an interesting tidbit about the reuse capability of the various components in a panel:

One of the great features of the Solar Road Panel is that much of it can be reused. Some components like the solar cells, capacitors, and LEDs will wear out and have to be replaced, but much of the panel is reusable. If we began manufacturing today with 18.5% efficient solar cells, and the panels lasted 20 years before the need for refurbishing, the latest (20 years from now) efficiency solar cells would be installed and the same Solar Road Panel would produce even more power than before. This will allow the Solar Roadway to keep up with the increase in electricity demand over the years.
 
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MrDudeMan

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I'm not going to paste the whole FAQ in here, but here's another thing that's already been discussed in this thread:

We designed our panels so the heaters are driven by the grid and not by the solar cells - the systems are independent of one another. This is because the heaters and LEDs have to work at night, when the solar cells are incapable of producing power.

Currently, the full size hexagons are 36-watt solar panels, with 69-percent surface coverage by solar cells. This will become 52-watts when we cover the whole surface when we go into production. When we add piezoelectric, they'll be capable of producing even more power. Also, as the efficiency of solar cells increase, more power will be converted.

We tested the heaters over the winter with a DC power supply that provided them with 72-watts. This was an overkill and made the surface warm to the touch on most winter days. We still need to experiment with different voltages at different temperatures, to determine the minimum amount of power required to keep the surface above freezing. Remember, they don't have to heat up to 85 degrees like the defroster wire in the windows of your car: they only have to keep the surface warm enough to prevent snow/ice accumulation (35 degrees?).

The heaters will use more power than the panels can make at night or on overcast days, but keep in mind that the heaters will only be on when they are needed. It can be five below zero, but unless there is precipitation or snow drifts, there's no need to activate the heaters.
 

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Other awesome pieces of this project are that they plan on putting all the power and telecommunications cable we see flying above our roads into the trench next to the roadway. Protected from the elements, and far safer for workers to deal with. I have friends who are linemen, and I'm sure they'd like sitting in a trench much more than climbing 60 feet up a pole in the wind.

Also, a smart road would go a long way towards helping self driving vehicles. Imagine wireless charging going through your tires into your electric vehicle drastically increasing your range. Imagine sitting there for long trips while your car drives itself and you enjoy high speed internet the entire duration of your trip because the road itself is a wifi hotspot.

There are so many possibilities to this project and all of them have huge benefits long term. Unfortunately it will not happen because the traditional electricity/oil industries will lobby their fucking faces off to kill this project dead.

I also do no understand how people are saying asphalt is easier to maintain? Yes, you go dump some hot asphalt into a pothole and tamp it down. You also go back and do it in a week because it's all come back out of the hole and the pothole is now big enough to swallow a car entirely. If a panel dies, or breaks the road itself sends a message to the maintenance crews, the road tells them how many panels broke, they put their replacements on the truck, drive out, remove 4 bolts from the panel, put the new one in place and bolt it back down. It's a genius idea. The road is instantly back in perfect condition, and not some slapped together piece of shit patch job that fucks your suspension up more and more every time you drive over it.
 

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This is absolutely ridiculous. Building a structure over every road is way, way more unrealistic than a road composed of solar panels. The cost would be astronomical and the logistics all but impossible. Costs would be extremely high and repairs would be frequent and dangerous for workers, unacceptable for traffic, or both at the same time.

Unless we also built a Hyperloop into it :awe:
 

MrDudeMan

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Other awesome pieces of this project are that they plan on putting all the power and telecommunications cable we see flying above our roads into the trench next to the roadway. Protected from the elements, and far safer for workers to deal with. I have friends who are linemen, and I'm sure they'd like sitting in a trench much more than climbing 60 feet up a pole in the wind.

Also, a smart road would go a long way towards helping self driving vehicles. Imagine wireless charging going through your tires into your electric vehicle drastically increasing your range. Imagine sitting there for long trips while your car drives itself and you enjoy high speed internet the entire duration of your trip because the road itself is a wifi hotspot.

There are so many possibilities to this project and all of them have huge benefits long term. Unfortunately it will not happen because the traditional electricity/oil industries will lobby their fucking faces off to kill this project dead.

I also do no understand how people are saying asphalt is easier to maintain? Yes, you go dump some hot asphalt into a pothole and tamp it down. You also go back and do it in a week because it's all come back out of the hole and the pothole is now big enough to swallow a car entirely. If a panel dies, or breaks the road itself sends a message to the maintenance crews, the road tells them how many panels broke, they put their replacements on the truck, drive out, remove 4 bolts from the panel, put the new one in place and bolt it back down. It's a genius idea. The road is instantly back in perfect condition, and not some slapped together piece of shit patch job that fucks your suspension up more and more every time you drive over it.

M thoughts exactly. Something else people are failing to consider is that this doesn't necessarily have to be lower cost than current roads. Given the HUGE array of benefits, it could cost more per linear foot than other types of roads and still be worthwhile because of savings in other areas.

I found an article estimating the cost of a 12 ft. x 12 ft. section to be $7,000, which is a fairly hefty price tag, but the article also said the panel would most likely pay itself off in a few years. With a projected 20 year lifespan, that means it will be in the black long before it needs to be refurbished. Granted, this is all speculation, but if it's even close to true then the idea looks to be viable at this point. I don't think ripping up perfectly good roads would be smart, but as existing roads begin to deteriorate, solar panel roads could be installed as their replacement.

It would drastically aid the installation process for a specialized excavator to be built. Imagine an amalgamation of a grinder, excavator, and jackhammer creating and manicuring the substrate.
 
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VulgarDisplay

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Not to mention that once they start mass producing these things the costs will go down. They could also start selling it to other countries.

Solar FREAKING Roadways: America's #1 Export.
 

MrDudeMan

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Not to mention that once they start mass producing these things the costs will go down. They could also start selling it to other countries.

Solar FREAKING Roadways: America's #1 Export.

How awesome would it be if the road knew where you wanted to go and could draw arrows at intersections that only you could see? It would have to work in tandem with a HUD on the windshield or something, but that would be awesome. I could also see putting helpful messages on the road like next rest stop in 30 miles. Ugly signs on the side of the road could be drastically reduced.

I also wonder if advertising companies would try to work themselves into the idea. It seems awfully dangerous to advertise on a road, but stupidity seems to always prevail.
 

CKAESV

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Hey, a mostly positive conversation. I was half way expecting a repeat of the slashdot discussion where the long time users got positively poetic about calling this a scam.

Of course the biggest issue is cost. I know they are promising a manufacturing cost analysis during the next phase of development. So much we will find out then.

I have my own concerns, like so far the prototypes are rigid flat. That won't work in my home town even on the parking lots. The current plan to handle melt water from melting snow seems to rely on a cement foundation with a drainage ditch. They definitely have more details to fill in yet.

Other features I would like to see them experiment with:
The panels have basic design similarities with low efficiency heat collection panels. A person with a large driveway of these might be able to heat the house if they are adapted a little.
Piezoelectric energy generation - solid state generation of electricity from vibrations.
Waste wind electrical generation - Cars driving over them forcefully displace a lot of air.
 

Red Squirrel

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Fail again. You don't have to melt 'feet' of snow. You have to melt the layer that can't be plowed with a truck. Also, if the road is generating a low amount of heat as the moisture collects, it will immediately melt some of it, which aids in overall removal. It also defers slick roads for some amount of time. Lastly, the amount of power required isn't very high considering the road is generating some on its own, which could likely be stored specifically for this purpose.

Solar panels don't work at night. Do you know what 16-20+ hours of battery power looks like? (around what you would need for the period where there's no sun) Something like this:



Each panel would need to have that close or even more batteries hooked up to it to be able to continuously melt snow over night and keep up with the storm. Otherwise, plows would still be needed to clear the foot or so of snow that has fallen overnight. Also, plows typically do not scrape right down to the bottom as it would use them up too fast, and because this is glass and has a texture to it, they'd need to pass some kind of brush after. You need tons of electricity to maintain a delta temp required to melt snow AND evaporate water.

Overall, the maintenance would just make no sense. While the roof idea would be expensive, it would not be as expensive as if they're straight on the ground, that was my point.

And solar panels would work fine indoors if the sun is on it, which is what I said.

Overall the design and stuff is neat, but in a real life situation they just would not really work all that well for the majority of the year. I suppose in summer they could be used to offset the cost to run AC. But is it really worth to completely revamp the infrastructure for 2-3 months of the year? I think the money would be better spent in large scale renewable energy power plants that can be optimized to be useful all year round, such as thermal solar. Ex: more condensed so less snow removal to do, or wind.
 
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VulgarDisplay

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They feed off the grid and only heat when snow is falling. You are completely exaggerating about the amount of power they will use to melt snow. They don't need to hot enough to make scrambled eggs off of. If the surface is even 35 degrees snow isn't going to stick.

With these roads you also don't have to look at large scale renewable energy power plants or power lines.
 

MrDudeMan

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Solar panels don't work at night. Do you know what 16-20+ hours of battery power looks like? (around what you would need for the period where there's no sun) Something like this:



Each panel would need to have that close or even more batteries hooked up to it to be able to continuously melt snow over night and keep up with the storm. Otherwise, plows would still be needed to clear the foot or so of snow that has fallen overnight. Also, plows typically do not scrape right down to the bottom as it would use them up too fast, and because this is glass and has a texture to it, they'd need to pass some kind of brush after.

Overall, the maintenance would just make no sense. While the roof idea would be expensive, it would not be as expensive as if they're straight on the ground, that was my point.

And solar panels would work fine indoors if the sun is on it, which is what I said.

Overall the design and stuff is neat, but in a real life situation they just would not really work all that well for the majority of the year. I suppose in summer they could be used to offset the cost to run AC. But is it really worth to completely revamp the infrastructure for 2-3 months of the year? I think the money would be better spent in large scale renewable energy power plants that can be optimized to be useful all year round, such as thermal solar. Ex: more condensed so less snow removal to do, or wind.

The heaters use power from the grid. It also doesn't really require a lot of power to heat a panel to barely above freezing, which is all that's required to prevent moisture from freezing. It doesn't need to be dry.

Plowing most likely wouldn't be very different than how it's currently done. Plow off the top layer, turn on the heaters to melt the snow and ice, then go into maintenance mode until it stops snowing. It might require a lot of power to heat miles of road, but it would certainly be safer. The power would be more than balanced if the road was generating energy during the day. I don't see an issue here.

Power storage comes in a variety of containers other than batteries. All of the energy generated by the panels would likely be used immediately and traditional power plants would supply the balance during the day and most likely all of the power at night. I said it could be stored because some places may not have a really high energy requirement and could benefit from batteries, flywheels, water towers, or any other energy storage method.

Where the hell did you get 2-3 months? These would work 100% of the year at the equator and less and less as you move north or south, but it wouldn't be anywhere near 15% in the US. Maybe Canada has a shitty sunlight ratio, but the US doesn't and neither do most other countries.

Lastly, solar panels don't work inside for what should be obvious reasons. The sun is constantly moving and the panel would have to be constantly moving as well to stay in direct sunlight unless you have a wall made entirely of glass. Furniture and whatever else is in a house would cover most of the viable area even if sunlight was able to reach it. Any light that enters the house will also be filtered and diffracted, however slightly, and that only reduces efficiency further. You'd have a bitch of a time mounting interior solar panels at the optimum angle like you can on a roof, which is the biggest efficiency hit. The road panels can't do that either, but they would close the gap by having way, way more surface area. The solar aspect is only half of the equation anyway if you look at the other benefits of having a 'smart' road.
 
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