[Videocardz] New 1080 Ti rumors

[Dave2150]

Why are you insulting NVIDIA buyers? Just because YOU think something is overpriced doesn't meant that it is.

I paid a full $1200 for my Titan X and it really is the perfect 144hz/1440p card (especially since I've overclocked it to run at ~2ghz boost) no other single GPU can deliver that kind of experience. Not even close.

So tell me why it's overpriced if it delivers a unique level of performance/capability?

The TitanXP is the best GPU available for sure. Nothing else comes close. I think some people, myself included, are a little disappointed that the cooler NVIDIA provided is so hot and loud. For $1200, I'd expect much more effort put into it's acoustics and thermal design, such as a triple slot blower, or open air design, or even a CLC.

In my opinion, AMD's Fury X ($650) had a much more premium feel to it, though obviously it's performance was extremely poor on release and forever haunted by 4GB limits of HBM.

Obviously some people put their TXP's under custom water, which is the best solution by far, though also not for everyone.

 

[imported_bman]

That's only a partial explanation. There has been FAR less competition in the CPU space than there is in the GPU space in the last 5 years. MicroCenter has i7-6700K for $259.99 and i7-6800K for $329.99, both prices which is lower after adjusted for inflation than the MSRP of January 2011 i7-2600K. If Intel priced i7-6700K at $634 (double the price of i7-2600K), I would simply refuse to buy it. Lack of competition alone doesn't explain the willingness of so many consumers to pay double for the same historical tiers. There is a lot more to it like prices of high-end audiophile headphones have increased 2-3X in the last 5 years despite the most fierce competition.

When HiFiMan sold HE-300 for $249, we now know they still make a profit at $99. We also know that Sennheiser's HD650s which debuted at $550 are profitable even at $199.

With NV, what they are doing is following the foot-path of the overpriced audiophile industry, and sprinkling it with Apple marketing, creating an emotional attachment and desirability of the product.

Had Titan XP sold for only $499 like the GTX580, it would have never been as desirable to PC gamers and as a result the $379-449 GTX1070 and $699 GTX1080 wouldn't have looked like such an amazing value relative to the Titan XP. NV still hasn't matched Apple though as Apple charges $200 for an upgrade form an i5 to an outdated architecture generation i7 in the iMac when the entire i7-6700K costs $260 at MC. Oh, let's not forget $200 for 8GB of DDR4 memory upgrade. NV still has room to raise prices even more during Volta as Pascal is wildly successful despite record GPU prices per each GPU tier. Just goes to show that PC gamers are willing to pay even more. If mid-range die 1080 FE sold like hot cakes for $700, a $900 1080Ti will be instantly sold out by the same people who are about to dump GTX1080s on the used market. That's the missing link in NV's strategy -- since next series makes the old series obsolete and thus lose a huge amount of resale value, it will make it too costly to buy $700 cards and NOT upgrade to the next series. This gives NV leverage to price 1080Ti/2080Ti above GTX1080.

You can't compare GPU pricing to CPU pricing since the performance increases across both tiers and generations is marginal when it comes to CPUs (with the exception of server type and some workstation work loads), whereas GPU performance increases are significant. The GPU industry is nothing like the audiophile industry in that newer and higher priced GPUs give obvious performance benefits, this has nothing to do with emotional attachment or whatever ridiculous theories you are pushing. Lack of competition in a market where new products offer significant yields in utility has a major effect on pricing.

 

[pj-]

Hopefully someone will finally release a TXP compatible hybrid cooler when these come out

 

[railven]

Damn rail tell me which server you are on and your toon name, I am on JC and EH atm

Haha, I play on and off, but pretty sure I'm on Shadowlands. WoW is my primary MMO, but I'm back in SWTOR using up that double XP bonus while I can!

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Hopefully someone will finally release a TXP compatible hybrid cooler when these come out

Pretty sure the EVGA Hybrid cooler fits the TXP.

 

[Arachnotronic]

The TitanXP is the best GPU available for sure. Nothing else comes close. I think some people, myself included, are a little disappointed that the cooler NVIDIA provided is so hot and loud. For $1200, I'd expect much more effort put into it's acoustics and thermal design, such as a triple slot blower, or open air design, or even a CLC.

I can see that. But I game with headphones on, so the noise level doesn't bother me (although yes, the way I have it configured, it is LOUD).

Obviously some people put their TXP's under custom water, which is the best solution by far, though also not for everyone.

Yeah, I wouldn't do that...too much hassle!

 

[SlickR12345]

Why are you insulting NVIDIA buyers? Just because YOU think something is overpriced doesn't meant that it is.

I paid a full $1200 for my Titan X and it really is the perfect 144hz/1440p card (especially since I've overclocked it to run at ~2ghz boost) no other single GPU can deliver that kind of experience. Not even close.

So tell me why it's overpriced if it delivers a unique level of performance/capability?

Because you are paying $1200 for what used to be at most $650 top end card, you are paying DOUBLE the historical amount for the highest end SKU. In fact I'd never spend such ridiculous amount of money in what has historically for over 10 years been a $650, when overpriced $700 segment. I'd rather wait, have the prices lower, buy it for half the price as a 1080TI and donate $100 to charity on top of it.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Because you are paying $1200 for what used to be at most $650 top end card, you are paying DOUBLE the historical amount for the highest end SKU. In fact I'd never spend such ridiculous amount of money in what has historically for over 10 years been a $650, when overpriced $700 segment. I'd rather wait, have the prices lower, buy it for half the price as a 1080TI and donate $100 to charity on top of it.

Good for you.

 

[nurturedhate]

Because you are paying $1200 for what used to be at most $650 top end card, you are paying DOUBLE the historical amount for the highest end SKU. In fact I'd never spend such ridiculous amount of money in what has historically for over 10 years been a $650, when overpriced $700 segment. I'd rather wait, have the prices lower, buy it for half the price as a 1080TI and donate $100 to charity on top of it.

It's not even that, Titan XP is a cut down part, it's akin to GTX 570 that launched at $349 MSRP. BUT, if someone is happy with their purchase, then they are happy with their purchase. Nvidia does what any good business, including ourselves, would do if/when they can which is maximizing their bottom line. If your boss offered you a 200% raise tomorrow are you turning it down?

Back towards 1080ti, if this is another cut down part I'm really not that interested. I've been in the mood for a new monitor and system. The upgrade itch is strong. We'll see where the next 6 months takes us.

 

[Hi-Fi Man]

Why are you insulting NVIDIA buyers? Just because YOU think something is overpriced doesn't meant that it is.

I paid a full $1200 for my Titan X and it really is the perfect 144hz/1440p card (especially since I've overclocked it to run at ~2ghz boost) no other single GPU can deliver that kind of experience. Not even close.

So tell me why it's overpriced if it delivers a unique level of performance/capability?

Thing is, this level of performance has never been unique. The only thing unique about the Titan XP is that it's selling for FAR more than it's predecessors have sold for. Cut down top end GPU performance is not unique but a price increase of $950 is.

The point is you shouldn't have to pay $1,200 to have "the perfect 144hz/1440p card".

 

[Arachnotronic]

Thing is, this level of performance has never been unique. The only thing unique about the Titan XP is that it's selling for FAR more than it's predecessors have sold for. Cut down top end GPU performance is not unique but a price increase of $950 is.

The point is you shouldn't have to pay $1,200 to have "the perfect 144hz/1440p card".

This level of performance has literally never been offered in a single GPU before.

 

[Hi-Fi Man]

This level of performance has literally never been offered in a single GPU before.

Level meaning tier.

 

[pj-]

Thing is, this level of performance has never been unique. The only thing unique about the Titan XP is that it's selling for FAR more than it's predecessors have sold for. Cut down top end GPU performance is not unique but a price increase of $950 is.

The point is you shouldn't have to pay $1,200 to have "the perfect 144hz/1440p card".

People here complain about this constantly. "This used to be a mid range card! It shouldn't be so expensive now! *pout*"

Ok, what are you suggesting people do about it? Should I have purchased 2 Fury X's and a new PSU instead of a Titan XP and prayed to the gods that CF and/or DX12 support stopped being crap for the first 6 months of a game's release? Should I have faith that AMD will ever address their abysmal performance in almost every VR game?

I'm not going to compromise my experiences to artificially boost up the worse company and judging by your sig, neither are you.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Level meaning tier.

Nope, check the branding.

 

[NTMBK]

The point is you shouldn't have to pay $1,200 to have "the perfect 144hz/1440p card".

You don't have to. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's really that simple. A high end gaming device is a luxury that you can do without.

 

[Hi-Fi Man]

People here complain about this constantly. "This used to be a mid range card! It shouldn't be so expensive now! *pout*"

Ok, what are you suggesting people do about it? Should I have purchased 2 Fury X's and a new PSU instead of a Titan XP and prayed to the gods that CF and/or DX12 support stopped being crap for the first 6 months of a game's release? Should I have faith that AMD will ever address their abysmal performance in almost every VR game?

I'm not going to compromise my experiences to artificially boost up the worse company and judging by your sig, neither are you.

Not saying you should however, what I am saying is that it's rather annoying and disappointing that prices have drastically gone up.

Tell me, would you rather pay $350 or $1,200?

 

[Hi-Fi Man]

Nope, check the branding.

Actually check the GPU.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Tell me, would you rather pay $350 or $1,200?

There are $350 cards today and they are much faster than $350 cards from the prior gen, and much much faster than the $350 cards from the gen before that.

You are falling into the trap of looking at die size/chip codename and not just looking at delivered product. This is a load of nonsense perpetuated by people who are actively trying to dissuade people from buying the GPUs they want by brainwashing them into thinking they're getting ripped off.

Don't buy into that nonsense. Perf/$ keeps going up (and going nicely up) in every tier, that's all that matters.

 

[pj-]

Not saying you should however, what I am saying is that it's rather annoying and disappointing that prices have drastically gone up.

Tell me, would you rather pay $350 or $1,200?

I'd rather pay $3.50 but we're not in fantasy land.

Nvidia would be insane to price parts below what people are willing to pay.

 

[jpiniero]

There are $350 cards today and they are much faster than $350 cards from the prior gen, and much much faster than the $350 cards from the gen before that.

Compared to previous generations, price/$ improvement has shrunk considerably, and the improvement at least for nVidia's products is almost entirely due to the huge increase in clocks that Pascal got. I don't know if that can continue.

 

[Hi-Fi Man]

I'd rather pay $3.50 but we're not in fantasy land.

Nvidia would be insane to price parts below what people are willing to pay.

Of course they would but as a consumer and not a share holder I would prefer that a product be aligned with historic norms (adjusted for inflation). I would rather not pay more just because AMD is doing poorly and others are willing to pay more than they would normally have to.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Compared to previous generations, price/$ improvement has shrunk considerably, and the improvement at least for nVidia's products is almost entirely due to the huge increase in clocks that Pascal got. I don't know if that can continue.

Huge increase in clocks is part of the product, no?

 

[NTMBK]

I would rather not pay more just because AMD is doing poorly and others are willing to pay more than they would normally have to.

Then don't buy it.

 

[Dave2150]

I don't understand why some do nothing but complain of the prices of computer equipment. The price is set by market demand, if there was no demand, the prices would drop. They haven't, thus there is great demand for these products.

I think what we're seeing is the earnings divide. For some, it would take a few months to save $1200 for a GPU. For others, it would take a day or two. Wealth divide is nothing new - just something people have to learn to swallow and accept.

There are still great GPU's available for less money. RX480, 1070's are great examples of this.

Personally, I'm using a 1070FE until Vega launches.

 

[linkgoron]

There are $350 cards today and they are much faster than $350 cards from the prior gen, and much much faster than the $350 cards from the gen before that.

You are falling into the trap of looking at die size/chip codename and not just looking at delivered product. This is a load of nonsense perpetuated by people who are actively trying to dissuade people from buying the GPUs they want by brainwashing them into thinking they're getting ripped off.

You are absolutly getting ripped off by Nvidia, but if you want/need the performance there is not a lot you can do about it as they're the only ones giving you decent performance with the 1070/1080/Titan XP. If I had to get a 1440p card and had a lot of money, then I would get a 1080 knowing full well that I'm getting ripped off. If someone has a lot of money to spend I would definitely tell them to get a 1080 or better Nvidia card, however there is no doubt that he is getting monopoly prices. Especially at the Titan XP levels.

Don't buy into that nonsense. Perf/$ keeps going up (and going nicely up) in every tier, that's all that matters.

With your logic we should've been paying $5K+ for graphics cards these days, as I'm sure the performance today is probably at least 10-20 times the performance of a 2003 $499 ATI 9800xt.

 

[Arachnotronic]

With your logic we should've been paying $5K+ for graphics cards these days, as I'm sure the performance today is probably at least 10-20 times the performance of a 2003 $499 ATI 9800xt.

No. By my logic, the $499 GPU that you can buy today is WAY better than the $499 GPUs that came before them. And they will continue to be each and every year.