[Videocardz] NVIDIA To Release Something 'SUPER?'

[railven]

I'm going with fully unlocked TU102 for 2080 TI super (so 12gb vram), fully unlocked TU104 for the 2080 super, a cutdown TU104 for the 2070 super, and the full TU106 for the 2060 super and maybe faster vram for several (if not all) the super parts.

Price hikes would truly suck because, at most, we are looking at 15% performance increases (for the 2060 and 2070 supers) and 10% for the 2080 and 2080 TI.

If NV doesn't go crazy on us and prices these in the current slots, I will never in my life early adopt them again (it's not the price, it's that there is barely any RTX/DXR stuff to justify getting on the ship early).

If I had to guess, NV will probably want to rain on AMD's parade (GTX 1080 Ti anyone?). Price cut all current RTXs cards, maybe even bundle them with a free DXR capable game (I know they were doing this before, perhaps keep it running?) New Super stuff slots in old price points with improved everything.

Clear out old channel while creating more DXR capable users, promote more DXR games, signal boost DXR and it's lack of support from AMD, all while costing less than AMD (for the older RTX) and having more performance/features at higher price points (SUPERs).

Win-win-win.

 

[EXCellR8]

Older RTX cards are definitely going to be priced to undercut Navi that is almost for certain.

 

[DeathReborn]

I have to say I am not a fan of the "Super" name, I think 2065, 2075, 2085 & 2085 Ti would better differentiate them.

 

[amenx]

How will they fit 8gb vram on the 2060's 192-bit bus? Will it be bumped up to 256-bit?

 

[sze5003]

Regardless, I'm waiting until reviews anyway to see what the performance differences are. Glad I waited for the reviews while I had the 2080Ti pre-ordered, because it wasn't worth it.

 

[tviceman]

How will they fit 8gb vram on the 2060's 192-bit bus? Will it be bumped up to 256-bit?

That is correct. The TU116 has a 256-bit bus, but disables two memory controllers to bring it down to 192-bits for the RTX 2060.

 

[tviceman]

If NV doesn't go crazy on us and prices these in the current slots, I will never in my life early adopt them again (it's not the price, it's that there is barely any RTX/DXR stuff to justify getting on the ship early).

If I had to guess, NV will probably want to rain on AMD's parade (GTX 1080 Ti anyone?). Price cut all current RTXs cards, maybe even bundle them with a free DXR capable game (I know they were doing this before, perhaps keep it running?) New Super stuff slots in old price points with improved everything.

Clear out old channel while creating more DXR capable users, promote more DXR games, signal boost DXR and it's lack of support from AMD, all while costing less than AMD (for the older RTX) and having more performance/features at higher price points (SUPERs).

Win-win-win.

Nvidia is forever going to slow roll us until they are forced to put their best foot forward out of the gate. The 600 series topped out with a x04 sku, the 700 series didn't get the full GK110 chip until the RX 290. The 980 TI came out 7 months later and only then to counter Fury X. The 1000 series didn't get the 1080 TI for 8 months. And now we have cut down chips for both the 2080 TI and 2080.

There is no duopoly (that people are complaining about in the other thread). There is only Nvidia dictating the graphics card market and AMD constantly pulling up in the rear.

 

[alcoholbob]

A refreshed 2080 Ti with 16GBps memory sounds interesting.

 

[cebri1]

Nvidia is forever going to slow roll us until they are forced to put their best foot forward out of the gate. The 600 series topped out with a x04 sku, the 700 series didn't get the full GK110 chip until the RX 290. The 980 TI came out 7 months later and only then to counter Fury X. The 1000 series didn't get the 1080 TI for 8 months. And now we have cut down chips for both the 2080 TI and 2080.

There is no duopoly (that people are complaining about in the other thread). There is only Nvidia dictating the graphics card market and AMD constantly pulling up in the rear.

They do seem to have the advantage in power and power/watt. And if AMD doesn't catch up with Navi, NVIDIA is in a good position to keep doing this for at least 2 more years. AMD can't compete with the level of R&D expenditure of both Intel AND Nvidia at the same time. AMD needs NVIDIA to have a mishap similar to the 10nm intel fiasco to catch up.

Anyway, now I feel bad about my newly bought 2060.

 

[railven]

Nvidia is forever going to slow roll us until they are forced to put their best foot forward out of the gate. The 600 series topped out with a x04 sku, the 700 series didn't get the full GK110 chip until the RX 290. The 980 TI came out 7 months later and only then to counter Fury X. The 1000 series didn't get the 1080 TI for 8 months. And now we have cut down chips for both the 2080 TI and 2080.

There is no duopoly (that people are complaining about in the other thread). There is only Nvidia dictating the graphics card market and AMD constantly pulling up in the rear.

Oh, most definitely. NV has already milked us, at least the early adopters, rather handsomely. They can continue the milking while winning public support with "price cuts" and creating a cloud over AMD's yet to launch cards. This is where I feel NV's ruthlessness steps in.

Without double checking all the numbers, I'm sure the gap from GTX 1080 to GTX 1080 Ti is similar as it is from RTX 2080 Ti to the rumored RTX 2080 Ti Super (if there is one). NV showed their fans with the GTX 1080 Ti price tag, even though they basically had AMD by the throat they still leaned in for the bite as well.

 

[tviceman]

Oh, most definitely. NV has already milked us, at least the early adopters, rather handsomely. They can continue the milking while winning public support with "price cuts" and creating a cloud over AMD's yet to launch cards. This is where I feel NV's ruthlessness steps in.

Without double checking all the numbers, I'm sure the gap from GTX 1080 to GTX 1080 Ti is similar as it is from RTX 2080 Ti to the rumored RTX 2080 Ti Super (if there is one). NV showed their fans with the GTX 1080 Ti price tag, even though they basically had AMD by the throat they still leaned in for the bite as well.

I don't think the gap between the 2080 TI and the 2080 TI super will be more than 10%. They can unlock the full chip, use slightly faster vram, and clock it slightly higher. Anything other than that would require an entirely new chip, something I doubt they are doing this late at 12nm with 750mm2 chips.

 

[alcoholbob]

I don't think the gap between the 2080 TI and the 2080 TI super will be more than 10%. They can unlock the full chip, use slightly faster vram, and clock it slightly higher. Anything other than that would require an entirely new chip, something I doubt they are doing this late at 12nm with 750mm2 chips.

The Titan RTX is only 7% faster on average at 4K than the 2080 Ti. Increasing memory speed by 14% will only average a few % in real performance gain. 10% is a good estimate, at best we are looking at 11-12% assuming the new 2080 Ti SUPER is actually fully enabled with 384 bit wide bus.

The only thing that could be in the 25% faster range is a fully enabled V100 with 5376 CUDA cores and 1.2 TB/s of memory bandwidth but that thing has no RTX cores and there's no way Nvidia would sell that for $1200 regardless.

 

[punkyDD]

Gonna release a new super titan using the TU101 die

 

[GodisanAtheist]

That teaser video doesn't really show anything. It doesn't even show the "Super" logo on the side of a stock card or anything. It would be a hoot if all the rumors were wrong and we ended up with Tegra with RTX tech or something else no one really cares about

I think the most likely explanation is we're getting fully unlocked parts across the board, maybe some new introductions based on different cut-down configurations of existing chips. Definitely not going to get a brand new chip (unless NV really wants to suprise the pants off everyone with die shrunk 7nm versions of their Turing line ).

Thing is, I'm not sure anyone out there is really asking for some extra performance; everyone is looking for better pricing, and on that front I suspect this launch is going to be a major letdown (although I am happy for NV to prove me wrong on this one). People are so desparate for lower prices that the rumor mill surrounding "Super" has started eating itself alive with predictions of everything dropping down a tier + hundred dollar price cuts and more! Expect refreshed parts (or Tegra ) with 10-15% better performance at each price point, nothing really earth shattering, and you won't be disappointed on this one.

 

[Almighty_Denny]

The only thing I hope for is that after the release of this 'super' line, the prices of current RTX/GTX cards will drop at least a bit (so I can buy at least a 1660 ti more easily, lol)

 

[Dribble]

price leaks [wccf]

So in non super money we have almost a 2080Ti for -$200, 2080 for -$200, a 2070 for -$60, and no change in 2060 price.

 

[EXCellR8]

Sounds about right... honestly if that's the case 2080ti owners kinda got shafted. Especially if they had to deal with RMA and failing cards.

I was actually considering higher prices but we have yet to see Titan branded "super premium" cards that JHH has personally endorsed and/or assembled at the top of his NVIDIA corporate fortress that I assume exists.

 

[Ranulf]

How in the heck do they justify a 2060 Super duper doo for $429? Insane if true.

 

[Head1985]

How in the heck do they justify a 2060 Super duper doo for $429? Insane if true.

They price fixing.Now x60 card cost 430usd?AMD/NV need to get bring under price fixing lawsuit ASAP.This is just absurd.

 

[amenx]

How in the heck do they justify a 2060 Super duper doo for $429? Insane if true.

256-bit bus + 8gb vram would essentially make it a 2070 in performance. Not saying that would justify it, just that it is a big spec bump for a xx60 card.

 

[Dribble]

256-bit bus + 8gb vram would essentially make it a 2070 in performance. Not saying that would justify it, just that it is a big spec bump for a xx60 card.

Yes, it's basically a 2070 non super.

 

[mohit9206]

Which also means 2060 will remain at its 350 price point. Nvidia has no intention of cutting prices. I mean nobody asked for increased performance, but better prices which looks like that ain't happening.

 

[Bouowmx]

https://videocardz.com/81105/nvidia...nd-rtx-2060-super-final-specifications-leaked
Differences:
2060 S: 2176 cores, 256-bit 8-GB memory, 175 W. Official claim is "15% AVG faster than RTX 2060" (almost no benefit from extra memory bandwidth)
2070 S: 2560 cores using TU104, 215 W (a bad sample), "16% AVG faster than RTX 2070"

Embargo ends 2019-07-02 06:00 AM PDT

 

[railven]

Well, I'm happy they aren't obsoleting my RTX 2080 Ti, yet.

 

[Head1985]

Prices.So they call oficialy midrange 400+usd?Really great time for pc gamers..

Three SKUs will occupy mid-range to high-end segment
The final pricing represents the starting price for custom and Founders Edition cards

2080super 700usd
2070super 500usd
2060super 400usd
https://videocardz.com/81149/nvidia...ies-final-pricing-and-availbility-date-leaked