Pricing and bundles are important and very welcomed but also appreciate the innovation of nVidia's stream, Shadowplay, Flex, forced on HBAO+ and G-sync; and also looking forward to learning more of the efficiency potential of AMD's Mantle.
And 3 current games, don't forget that.
AMD's bundle is old and tired, and BF4 caters to only one specific demograph, not saying NV's bundle is better...no I am, Batman/Ass Creed alone are strong titles.
NV kicked AMD in the nuts with the new pricing on the 780. Simple as that.
So Nov 7th is when I buy my next GPU. About time I got a date set to get married.
People keep saying the 780Ti is going to be crippled, I honestly don't see Nvidia running these cards back through the process of changing ram/gpu when they can easily just make it Titan worthy.
I don't buy that "can't keep titans" in stock because of demand titbit, they are never out of stock to begin with so its not a struggle.
I know its hard to hold back sometimes but i think you were being a little over the top.
People would be more likely to listen to you if you tone it down a bit. Its obvious AMD has done something right cause they got Nvidia's attention, and in a profound way. But just as Nvidia responded, AMD can too. This is all really exciting to me because we still have more GPUs to come. This is one of the most exciting times ever for graphic card lovers. I mean there are 2 really important GPUs still left to come. And they both have the potential to change everything.......and just like that. Its like holy smokes, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So i know its hard to hold back the excitement but man its only just starting. This will end up being one awesome orgasmic ending to a really slow dull year!!!!!!!
Thank you AMD..............and thank you nvidia
Getting forced into a price cut is not generally considered winning.
Think of how many times AMD has had to cut prices on their CPUs. Is this a sign they were winning against Intel? No, it's a sign that they had to cut prices (and therefore profit margins) in order to remain competitive.
Nvidia's situation isn't that bad, but trust me, they are not happy about making $150 less in profit on each GTX 780. Sure, they may sell more at the lower price, but if they thought that would make up for it, they would have already cut the price before now. It's not like they don't have people whose specific job it is to run these kind of analyses.
Of course, the one group that does clearly benefit from these price cuts is consumers. We get more and better choices for less money - what's not to like?
How is 780 Ti going to be crippled? It have most likely the same core count as GTX Titan, which overclocks like a beast. Plus you most likely get the custom OEM designs you find on the GTX 780, making the power supply better and the cooling better. Overclocking will probably be even better than Titan because of this. Titan however is locked to Nvidia`s reference design.
This is a win-win anyway you look at it.
I know that and that was not even my point. What I was getting at is that AMD should lower the 290X cost to 499$ to match the 780s cost now, being that the 780OC will likely be in that price range (510-520$, and 550$ for over-voltage capable cards). The 290X is less attractive as a result of the cheap crap cooler it uses and therefore it should be price cut. And it should have never settle.
Basically, I think a lot of folks will lean towards 780OC as opposed to 290X now precisely due to the horrible cooler that AMD is using. Because of this, a price cut on the 290X makes all too much sense to me. I don't expect Rhagu to admit this, though
AMD made it a big point to mention that the 290X was not competing in the "ultra enthusiast" segment, in other words, their target was the GTX 780 and not the Titan. Clearly, the 290X at stock is beating the 780 - by 11% at 1080p and more at higher resolutions. And as it happened it matched the Titan despite not gunning for it.
But now the 780 is cheaper. So now what? The 290X was gunning for the 780 as a direct competitor and WAS 100$ cheaper. Now the 780 is 50$ cheaper.
IMO, Being that AMD wanted to make their card more appealing than the 780, to me it makes sense for the 290X reference to be 499$ at a minimum preferably with a game bundle. It doesn't have to be BF4, but never settle would be a good start. Aftermarket cards would range from 510-550$ depending, that's whatever.
the ones who grabbed the ref cards are mostly running it watercooled or custom air cooled. the more patient buyers wanted to see what the R9 290X did to GTX 780 and also to see the custom R9 290X cards which should be out next month. linus already talked about receiving non ref R9 290X cards for testing. these could be timed to be available after GTX 780 Ti launches. so custom R9 290X at USD 580 - 600, custom GTX 780 at USD 530 - 550. the odd man out is GTX 780 Ti. Nvidia better clock this ah heck high enough to justify the USD 700 price point. tough sell against custom R9 290X cards at USD 600.
The next question now is the impact of mantle. 780 looks like the better deal right now if you value noise and temps. However if mantle gives the 290x another 10% of performance in BF4, well it's the obvious choice for anyone playing that game.
G-Sync is now out of the question because of lack of abundant availability and probably price gouging by Asus on these displays. And by end of 2014 20 nm GPUs will be very close one would think.
Mantle is a non-issue. Even if it had a %10 advantage, no one in right mind is going to spend $550 for just one game. Let alone games not even out yet that may or may not offer anything over nvidia cards.
A non issue only to a steadfast brand name buyer.
For the rest of us it can be very relevant. If it's already more than 10% faster than the 780 and is at titan performance levels, and add another 10% due to mantle it's starting to add up. The $550 is still very justifiable since the performance is there.
The only question is if the aftermarket 290x's maintain the lead over the 780 oc models.
Just to point out some more goalpost shifting here:
Remember when the titan / 780 brought 20-30% leads over the 7970 Ghz and everyone said, more performance doesn't follow the pricing curve, it's worth a big premium to get the best? Well now when AMD is currently leading (the 780), suddenly while it is following the pricing curve it is called not worth paying more.
Clearly 780 oc models are a better buy than 290x reference, however we have to see where the 290x oc models fall to determine the better card.
780ti is gonna be 2880 full GK110 @ 950/1050 boost and 7ghz GDDR5 - I can feel it. Has to be for the $699 asking price...
Who's everyone? I don't recall ever making that claim.
R9 290X is not worth buying with that atrocious cooler. And when will we see custom coolers? The longer those take to appear, the more $500 780's NV will sell.
If I can buy a card, OC it, and beat a R9 290X for less money, less heat, less noise, and possibly less power - why wouldn't I? I know, "you can OC R9 290X too, derp derp" but that thing is throttling with STOCK settings forget OCing.
That asking price put it in my NOPE region. I'll be scooping up a 780 or Custom cooler R9 290X, but I got the money now (sort of) and I want my new card yesterday! Tick-tock, AMD.
O boy!! GTX 780 has suddenly become a no brainer.
Question the games that come with it, are they all steam activated?
O boy!! GTX 780 has suddenly become a no brainer.
Question the games that come with it, are they all steam activated?