[videocardz][PCPer][AT] Nvidia Price drops and 780Ti pricing/launch details

[Subyman]

Nice. I really want a 780 for my ITX build now. I'll have to see what the used prices end up doing.

 

[Rvenger]

The 290X performs outstanding. That isn't in dispute. As far as cooling goes, though, a custom water loop costs upwards of 500$ excluding the GPU depending on how fancy you get. A custom third party cooler such as an Accelero costs 70-100$. Can you not see the problem here? I see the problem, because AMD cut corners on the cooler - that puts the 290X in a weird position against overclocked 780 cards which will likely sell for around 510$. Who wants a 290X + accelero for 650$ when they could just get a 780 overclocked edition and call it a day for less money?

AMD stated that they were gunning for the 780 and not the Titan in terms of price and competition. So if AMD is gunning for the 780, they should GUN FOR THE 780. The 780 is 50$ cheaper now. 780 overclocked cards will be from 510$ to 550$ with whisper quiet aftermarket coolers - AMD needs to lower the 290X reference to 450-500$ IMHO. If they had not cut corners on the cooler, the 550$ price could be justified. But as things stand, it's easy to see that a lot of folks will opt for overclocked 780s instead since they will be cheaper than the 290X. As far as I see it, the 550$ price is no longer justified considering the lacking cooler and the lower price of OC'ed 780s.

Moonbogg was correct when he said that the 290X went from awesome to not so awesome in 5 minutes due to this price change. The 780 price reduction changes everything, and AMD should react accordingly.

Again the 290x cooler being exaggerated a bit much IMO. Most of these cards haven't even shipped to the customer's door yet and 290x is being labeled a piece of crap that is only worth $450. Look over at Durvelle27's thread. The cooler can sustain temps under 80c quite easily. It may not be as good as the Titan/780 cooler but again, the 780 was a $650 product that was aging and needed a price drop. Just like how the 7970 was a $550 product. Let's not lose sight of this.

I stated that the reference cooler on the 780 was sub par at best on performance since my card hit 80c within minutes unless I had the fan over 55%. It does look good and that's about it.

Once the AIB's start selling the 290/290x with aftermarket coolers they will be a lot more receptive in the market. I am sure AMD will start the game bundles shortly too.

 

[wand3r3r]

Another source for the OP.

Finally, along with the announcement of tomorrow’s price cuts NVIDIA has also announced the launch date for the previously announced GeForce GTX 780 Ti: November 7th (next Thursday). Furthermore NVIDIA has also announced that it will be priced at $699, placing it $200 above the GTX 780 and $150 above the 290X. We still don’t have the specs for the GTX 780 Ti, but the fact that NVIDIA is pricing it so far above the 290X indicates that they have a lot of confidence that they will be able to beat 290X’s performance, and will do so by enough of a margin to justify the price. This isn’t wholly unexpected – after all, GTX 780 wasn’t a fully enabled GK110 consumer part – so it should be interesting to see just what NVIDIA has prepared to carry on as their new gamer flagship card.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7465/...-gtx-780770-price-cuts-gtx-780-ti-launch-date

 

[n0x1ous]

Again the 290x cooler being exaggerated a bit much IMO. Most of these cards haven't even shipped to the customer's door yet and 290x is being labeled a piece of crap that is only worth $450. Look over at Durvelle27's thread. The cooler can sustain temps under 80c quite easily. It may not be as good as the Titan/780 cooler but again, the 780 is a $650 product that is aging and needs a price drop. Just like how the 7970 was a $550 product. Let's not lose sight of this.

I stated that the reference cooler on the 780 was sub par at best on performance since my card hit 80c within minutes unless I had the fan over 55%. It does look good and that's about it.

Once the AIB's start selling the 290/290x with aftermarket coolers they will be a lot more receptive in the market. I am sure AMD will start the game bundles shortly too.

Do you not read the title of the thread you are in? the 780 is $499 tomorrow

 

[Slomo4shO]

Another source for the OP.

So the cards on Newegg isn't proof enough that the price drop is real?

 

[n0x1ous]

Another source for the OP.



http://www.anandtech.com/show/7465/...-gtx-780770-price-cuts-gtx-780-ti-launch-date

thanks, will update

 

[moonbogg]

How do you guys feel about paying full price this late in the cycle? I can't bring myself to do it. Do you expect these cards to remain in the lead for 6 months? Maybe 9 months?

 

[wand3r3r]

So the cards on Newegg isn't proof enough that the price drop is real?

Why not include AT since we are on ATF?

It also mentions the 780 ti launch date and price.

How do you guys feel about paying full price this late in the cycle? I can't bring myself to do it. Do you expect these cards to remain in the lead for 6 months? Maybe 9 months?

Valid point, I suspect we are near a year out on 20nm high end. Some speculate Q2, I suspect Q3, maybe late Q3.

I think the 290 is the card to watch though. The 780 was overpriced as it were and now is simply falling back in line.

 

[blackened23]

Again the 290x cooler being exaggerated a bit much IMO. Most of these cards haven't even shipped to the customer's door yet and 290x is being labeled a piece of crap that is only worth $450. Look over at Durvelle27's thread. The cooler can sustain temps under 80c quite easily. It may not be as good as the Titan/780 cooler but again, the 780 is a $650 product that is aging and needs a price drop. Just like how the 7970 was a $550 product. Let's not lose sight of this.

Erm, the 780 is 499$ now. That changes everything. I would have agreed to what you're saying a day ago, the 290X was more desirable than the 780 cards. Now? Not so much.

 

[Elfear]

I agree. There is no reason to buy a 290X right now with that crap cooler they put on it. The only thing that made it tolerable was that the R9 290X was $100 less than the 780...and oh my did they play that up as hard as they could. Now they can't. Right now the 290X is a dead duck except to the most hardcore AMD loyalist. Once the aftermarket cards come out, if they are able to get better performance along with keeping noise and heat better under control, that may change.

What if you already have a water loop? Right now the jury is still out whether a custom 780 or a 290X will be faster under water so me thinks your statement is untrue.

I'm glad Nvidia decided to lower prices on their cards as it means better prices for all of us but it doesn't mean there is zero reason to get a 290X.

 

[Grooveriding]

I guess the HC 780 classified will go down to $650.... I would need more radiator though and my rig is already owning BF4 on max settings which is all I care about. Still....

Meh. Classified went to $580 and HC classy is $700. Too much for just for fun upgrade.

 

[moonbogg]

Why not include AT since we are on ATF?

It also mentions the 780 ti launch date and price.



Valid point, I suspect we are near a year out on 20nm high end. Some speculate Q2, I suspect Q3, maybe late Q3.

I think the 290 is the card to watch though. The 780 was overpriced as it were and now is simply falling back in line.

At this point I agree. That card could possibly drive the 780 down another $50.00 perhaps. Everything is in flux right now. NOONE BUY ANYTHING!

 

[Rvenger]

Do you not read the title of the thread you are in? the 780 is $499 tomorrow

Erm, the 780 is 499$ now. That changes everything. I would have agreed to what you're saying a day ago, the 290X was more desirable than the 780 cards. Now? Not so much.

Sorry, meant to be past tense.


At this point the sleeping giant is the 290 'non X'. The highend flagship cards are always a worse value. Look at the 7970 vs the 7950.

 

[Xed]

So will custom 780ti's be possible relatively quickly? I'm not sure if it would require any major pcb change from the current 780. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable could answer.

 

[Face2Face]

Sorry, meant to be past tense.


At this point the sleeping giant is the 290 'non X'. The highend flagship cards are always a worse value. Look at the 7970 vs the 7950.

Agreed. If AMD could launch this card at $399, I think it would put huge pressure on Nvidia. Per the leaked benches it pretty much equals a GTX 780.

 

[imaheadcase]

If the 780Ti is next week, might be in hands of reviewers to have tests out this Thursday /fingers crossed.

 

[Teizo]

What if you already have a water loop? Right now the jury is still out whether a custom 780 or a 290X will be faster under water so me thinks your statement is untrue.

I'm glad Nvidia decided to lower prices on their cards as it means better prices for all of us but it doesn't mean there is zero reason to get a 290X.

That is a very good point. Thanks for pointing that out. I don't use water cooling, so it didn't enter my mind.

Agreed. If AMD could launch this card at $399, I think it would put huge pressure on Nvidia. Per the leaked benches it pretty much equals a GTX 780.

Good chance they may have had $449 in mind, but this price drop by Nvidia may very well make that the case. That would certainly make things very interesting.

Nice game of chess being played.

 

[blackened23]

Again the 290x cooler being exaggerated a bit much IMO. Most of these cards haven't even shipped to the customer's door yet and 290x is being labeled a piece of crap that is only worth $450. Look over at Durvelle27's thread. The cooler can sustain temps under 80c quite easily. It may not be as good as the Titan/780 cooler but again, the 780 was a $650 product that was aging and needed a price drop. Just like how the 7970 was a $550 product. Let's not lose sight of this.

I also should add that I had a 6970 and bought 7970s in CF at launch so i'm well aware of what the AMD reference cooler is like. Basically, how it worked for me was like this - quiet up to 42% or so. 45% audible. 50% and higher, loud. Some folks have linked 100% manual fan videos and I agree it isn't that bad.

The 7970 fan didn't necessarily bother me and some are definitely over-exaggerating it, but the main thing in my mind is that you are almost forced to use 55% with the 290X to really spread it's wings. You don't have the option for quietness if you want maximum performance, whereas you could keep a 7970 reference at bay in terms of noise. The 7970 didn't require 55% fanspeed for max performance - in fact, I could overclock mine to near 1200 with a mere 40-45% or so fanspeed back when I had them. Anyway with the 290X - At 550$ that wasn't a big deal because of the incredible value proposition. The cooler was an acceptable trade-off for the outstanding performance. But now? With OC 780s being in that same rough price range with whisper quiet aftermarket cooling? Ehhh. It's a harder sell. Know what I mean? I really feel like AMD could lower the 290X price a bit more to compensate for the cooler quality in comparison to the OC 780s in the same price range.

To be fair, AMD *did* state they were gunning for the GTX 780 and nothing but with the 290 and 290X (despite matching Titan performance at stock). So they should GUN FOR THE 780. Stick to the plan, you know? A 50$ price cut with the never settle bundle would do just that. I love the competition aspect and would love for AMD to do just that. NV basically kicked AMD in the nuts today with this price cut, I would like for AMD to respond in kind.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Price performance is pretty much identical at the new prices. 290x 10% faster but 10% more expensive. Then you get to the coolers and the 780 clearly wins there. Then game bundles. Nvidia wins by default as amd isn't offering one. Nvidia wins 2 of 3 and ties in the 3rd. Really not a contest now. The 780 is clearly the best deal.

 

[Face2Face]

Good chance they may have had $449 in mind, but this price drop by Nvidia may very well make that the case. That would certainly make things very interesting.

Nice game of chess being played.

Agreed :biggrin:

I also have been wondering if Hawaii reacts to temperatures and clocks like Tahiti does. For anyone who owns a higher clocking Tahiti, they know that at 80C @ 1200Mhz+ for an hour or more will result in instability. So will this be the case when 290 and 290X's are overclocked to 1200Mhz+ and running in the 90's? Do we also know what the vrms temps are on the 290X's? For most Tahiti cards vrms can be the limiting factor in long term gaming stability. I mean running benchmarks is one thing, but gaming for and hour or two is another. Seems as of late I have become more involved watching temps rather then playing games...ugh

 

[sontin]

The 290X is not faster. GTX780 custom cards have a much higher clock rate and stay the whole time under 80°C. They giving a performance boost between 10% and 25% over the reference modell.

And i dont care about all the naysayors: It's not my fault that AMD is doing the same mistakes over and over again.

 

[Face2Face]

The 290X is not faster. GTX780 custom cards have a much higher clock rate and stay the whole time under 80°C. They giving a performance boost between 10% and 25% over the reference modell.

And i dont care about all the naysayors: It's not my fault that AMD is doing the same mistakes over and over again.

Why would you compare a reference card vs. a custom card performance/cooling wise? I am not defending AMD's cooler because I think it's the Achilles heel of the card, but it's not really fair to make the comparisons.

 

[wand3r3r]

The thing that hasn't been mentioned is that the 2 GB 770 is at the price the 4GB could possibly be at. NV is still milking the 770 price, for only 2GB. Since they are pretty close to the 280x it's still to high to be $329 and presumably $379!

We still have to see once the console ports hit but 2GB is pretty weak coming on 2014.

 

[Vesku]

How do you guys feel about paying full price this late in the cycle? I can't bring myself to do it. Do you expect these cards to remain in the lead for 6 months? Maybe 9 months?

I expect, 9-12 months, depending on whether very expensive big die comes first or last. If I'm not mistaken 28nm -> 20nm is less of a transistor density improvement than 40nm->28nm, and there is no reason to expect max clocks will jump up too much. Medium die 20nm might just be a power efficiency improvement from today's top 28nm.

 

[tviceman]

Price performance is pretty much identical at the new prices. 290x 10% faster but 10% more expensive. Then you get to the coolers and the 780 clearly wins there. Then game bundles. Nvidia wins by default as amd isn't offering one. Nvidia wins 2 of 3 and ties in the 3rd. Really not a contest now. The 780 is clearly the best deal.

Also factor in intangibles thermals, overclocking, and power draw when overclocking and the 780 looks even MOAR better.