[videocardz][PCPer][AT] Nvidia Price drops and 780Ti pricing/launch details

[3DVagabond]

Again the 290x cooler being exaggerated a bit much IMO. Most of these cards haven't even shipped to the customer's door yet and 290x is being labeled a piece of crap that is only worth $450. Look over at Durvelle27's thread. The cooler can sustain temps under 80c quite easily. It may not be as good as the Titan/780 cooler but again, the 780 was a $650 product that was aging and needed a price drop. Just like how the 7970 was a $550 product. Let's not lose sight of this.

I stated that the reference cooler on the 780 was sub par at best on performance since my card hit 80c within minutes unless I had the fan over 55%. It does look good and that's about it.

Once the AIB's start selling the 290/290x with aftermarket coolers they will be a lot more receptive in the market. I am sure AMD will start the game bundles shortly too.

Just in case you are thinking it's something you said wrong, you didn't. I understood exactly what you said.

Notice how your testimonial on the reference cooler was completely ignored, as well. Very conveniently ignored.

Do you not read the title of the thread you are in? the 780 is $499 tomorrow

All he meant was at $650 the Titan needed a price cut. He's being kinder than me by stating it's due anyway because of it's age. It's been overpriced since it was released when you factor in it's actual performance increase over the competition and the fact that it's a third bin harvested chip.

Erm, the 780 is 499$ now. That changes everything. I would have agreed to what you're saying a day ago, the 290X was more desirable than the 780 cards. Now? Not so much.

The 780 didn't get faster overnight. The 290X is still the fastest gpu available. Considering the $100's of dollars that's been costing consumers all year, $50 is pretty reasonable.

 

[railven]

Just in case you are thinking it's something you said wrong, you didn't. I understood exactly what you said.

Notice how your testimonial on the reference cooler was completely ignored, as well. Very conveniently ignored.

He didn't even have the card in his possession at the time of his post. Cleary you didn't understand exactly what he said.

EDIT: Would like to point out that the reference in his post turns out to be one complete scam. So much for credibility.

The 780 didn't get faster overnight. The 290X is still the fastest gpu available. Considering the $100's of dollars that's been costing consumers all year, $50 is pretty reasonable.

But Perf/$ did change overnight and to those of us that like that, welps you know the rest

 

[blackened23]

I wonder what this is going to cost nVidia in rebates for product already in the chain. They can't just lop $150 off of the price for product that's already been sold to the AIB's and retailers at the old prices. They need to do rebates and stock balances to compensate those losses at retail.

And consumers care about this because.....Oh wait they don't. I think everyone on the market is happy it happened, none of us care about the specifics.

I certainly hope AMD doesn't use such nonsense reasons to delay price cuts. I think the 290X should be 499$ simply because of the cooler situation, and the 290X price relation to overclocked aftermarket 780s. The 550$ price on the 290X would make sense if AMD had not severely cut corners on the cooler (AMD's ref cooler has stayed the same under the hood for 4 years).. Like I said before AMD made it a grand point to state that their guns were on the GTX 780 with their launch 290X price. So gun for the GTX 780. Right now the 780 is 50$ cheaper with objectively better software than AMD, and OC edition 780s are about 20-50$ more than that. I don't think a price cut on the recently launched 290X is out of line. Seriously who gives a crap about this supply chain stuff you're talking about. What I care about is the price I see when I click on "buy", and 780OC cards are presenting a better overall balance, which is why the 290X should lower in price to 499$. IMHO.

 

[akahoovy]

There you go. I got a $50 gift card with OK amazon. Must resist the HOF....

That price is so very tempting but here is what I've been looking at:

Far Cry 3
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/08/14/galaxy_geforce_gtx_780_hof_edition_review/6

http://hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_290x_video_card_review/13

Crysis 3
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/08/14/galaxy_geforce_gtx_780_hof_edition_review/5

http://hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_290x_video_card_review/13

The reference 290x stands neck and neck with the HOF. An aftermarket 290x or 290 should be really, really good. MSI R9 290 Lightning at $499 or so? Yea man! :awe:

 

[railven]

You do get the games with the HOF at Amazon as well.

Yeah I'm eyeing it like a hawk. But I want to make sure the buyers of my Radeons are happy before I spend that money so any resistance I'm showing is more of a leash than self control haha.

Once they get their cards and put them through their paces and are satisfied if AMD has no R9 290X customs hinted at, the HOF will be mine!

(I might just buy early on my Amazon CC and then just pay it off when the above clears :twisted

 

[SolMiester]

It's bad form to reduce prices a week after a new product is released. They need to get the 290 out and beat the 780 perf/$ with that. The 290X is the current halo product. There's no reason to cut it's price and make it look like nVidia's slower product is as good as your flagship.

The 780 can have its Thermal limit changed with a slider to prevent throttle limit, not so with the 290x.
As to the 290x being the current halo product?, what do you mean by that...it's a great GPU to be sure, however, it shouldn't have been released with that cooler, they have just lost any impedus they had with the price, I foresee heaps of issues arising with that cooler, it could well cost them in the long run.

 

[railven]

That price is so very tempting but here is what I've been looking at:

Far Cry 3
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/08/14/galaxy_geforce_gtx_780_hof_edition_review/6

http://hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_290x_video_card_review/13

Crysis 3
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/08/14/galaxy_geforce_gtx_780_hof_edition_review/5

http://hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_290x_video_card_review/13

The reference 290x stands neck and neck with the HOF. An aftermarket 290x or 290 should be really, really good. MSI R9 290 Lightning at $499 or so? Yea man! :awe:

The magic of cards for everyone, I don't play either of those games and the ones I did 780 had a lead on R9 290X before any OCing.

I'm still blown away by the smoothness I'm experiencing with my temp GTX 660 Ti. It has delivered a better experience in two games so far over my CFX 7970s. Will be testing a few more games before I ultimately decided if I re-welcome a green card into my primary rig. Last time was SLI 8800 GTS but pretty much everyone had those haha.

 

[ams23]

You do get the games with the HOF at Amazon as well.

Frankly this holiday deal is unprecedented for NVIDIA. $150 discount on retail price, three free REALLY nice brand new AAA games, and a $100 SHIELD discount, all from graphics card that is cool, quiet, relatively low power consumption, very fast, G-SYNC ready, has overclocking headroom without being unbearably loud, and has ridiculously good industrial design and build quality too. I am definitely impressed.

 

[seitur]

No price cuts for GTX 760? Increased price point for high-end? Very disappointing.

 

[SolMiester]

What about the GTX280 ($650 at launch), the GTX590 ($700 at launch) and the GTX690 ($999 at launch)? See a trend?

There may have been more, but ask yourself how many times Nvidia undercut the competition with their new high end (at the time) GPU? The GTX680 launched at a cheaper price than the 7970, but that's all I can remember.

Ummm, how long ago was the 280?, but again, no competition, the 590 & 690 are 2 GPUs, again without a viable competitor card....
Unless AMD keeps up with the play, I guess NV will always try to make the most of their advantage, but then again, what company doesn't.

 

[Aikouka]

Hmm the price just went back up on the Hydro Copper, but to be fair, they're not supposed to be reduced until tomorrow anyway. Also, Newegg doesn't appear to have their Shield bundle page up, but NCIX does.

 

[3DVagabond]

The 290X is not faster. GTX780 custom cards have a much higher clock rate and stay the whole time under 80°C. They giving a performance boost between 10% and 25% over the reference modell.

And i dont care about all the naysayors: It's not my fault that AMD is doing the same mistakes over and over again.

We need to wait until the O/C'd 290X's come out. Comparing O/C to reference isn't realistic, unless you simply want to stack the deck.

As far as temps go, the GK110 is designed to run at ≤ 80° while Hawaii is designed to run ≤ 93°. Temperature means very little as long as the design limits are adhered to. We need to see what happens with hawaii with custom coolers. As of now though, there's no reason to think they won't be just as effective for Hawaii.

 

[Slomo4shO]

Hmm the price just went back up on the Hydro Copper, but to be fair, they're not supposed to be reduced until tomorrow anyway. Also, Newegg doesn't appear to have their Shield bundle page up, but NCIX does.

Newegg does:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ize=100&Page=1

 

[blackened23]

No price cuts for GTX 760? Increased price point for high-end? Very disappointing.

There's no reason for a price drop there as the competitor is the 7950 which is priced around 250$ right now. The 270X performs less than the 7950 at 200$, and the 200$ 270X is slower than the 760 - so the 760 fits in just fine at the current price.

If you look at the price performance ratio of the 760, though, it's actually a lot less bang for the buck than the 770. But it fits in the current sub 300$ pricing paradigm just fine given the other offerings in that area.

 

[ams23]

We need to wait until the O/C'd 290X's come out. Comparing O/C to reference isn't realistic, unless you simply want to stack the deck.

Actually it is very realistic because GTX 780 SC cards are now priced equally or even less than R9 290X reference, all while being quieter and cooler and better built too (and a triple pack of AAA games and $100 coupon to boot).

As far as temps go, the GK110 is designed to run at ≤ 80°

That is incorrect. GPU's don't get "designed" to run at a specific temp. Higher temp is a tradeoff made on R9 290, plain and simple.

 

[Slomo4shO]

Some interesting X-Fire/SLI figures for the 290 and 780:

 

[Vesku]

So is everyone now agreeing that game bundles are not a sign of mediocrity?

 

[rtsurfer]

So is everyone now agreeing that game bundles are not a sign of mediocrity?

Only when Nvidia does it...:sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:

 

[ams23]

So is everyone now agreeing that game bundles are not a sign of mediocrity?

The ironic thing is that GTX 780 SC editions are now priced so competitively to R9 290X that a game bundle is completely unnecessary from a competitive standpoint. So it is just icing on the cake for Holiday season shoppers. Lucky them.

 

[rtsurfer]

The 780 can have its Thermal limit changed with a slider to prevent throttle limit, not so with the 290x.

No you can. With the 290X you have a fan speed slider. Which will increase the cooling a.k.a preventing reaching throttle limit.

And before you start crying, yes the card will get louder, but the point still stands.

 

[seitur]

There's no reason for a price drop there as the competitor is the 7950 which is priced around 250$ right now. The 270X performs less than the 7950 at 200$, and the 200$ 270X is slower than the 760 - so the 760 fits in just fine at the current price.

If you look at the price performance ratio of the 760, though, it's actually a lot less bang for the buck than the 770. But it fits in the current sub 300$ pricing paradigm just fine given the other offerings in that area.

I don't disagree. Does not change a fact that it's disappointing. Nevermind I guess. New GPU is far on a list of expenses anyway.

 

[blackened23]

The price on the SC ACX 780 (SKU 2784) went from 520$ earlier today to 560$? Previously there was a mere 10$ premium for the SC ACX over reference. What the heck. I was eyeing a matching card for SLI. I'm beginning to think that Newegg are being opportunists on this - They've certainly jacked up launch GPU prices more than once. In any case.. messed up.

 

[railven]

And before you start crying, yes the card will get louder, but the point still stands.

Oh you'll definitely start crying once those fans get going

290X got rated higher than HD 7970 stock, and that bastard was uncomfortably loud.

 

[sontin]

We need to wait until the O/C'd 290X's come out. Comparing O/C to reference isn't realistic, unless you simply want to stack the deck.

Och, find excuses for a failed product launch?
We waited 5 months. I think that's enough. GTX780 custom cards a real, they're out, they cost nearly the same and deliver the same performance with less power and a much better cooler.

As far as temps go, the GK110 is designed to run at ≤ 80° while Hawaii is designed to run ≤ 93°. Temperature means very little as long as the design limits are adhered to. We need to see what happens with hawaii with custom coolers. As of now though, there's no reason to think they won't be just as effective for Hawaii.

GTX780 can run up to 95°C: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-780/specifications

 

[SlowSpyder]

Och, find excuses for a failed product launch?
We waited 5 months. I think that's enough. GTX780 custom cards a real, they're out, they cost nearly the same and deliver the same performance with less power and a much better cooler.



GTX780 can run up to 95°C: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-780/specifications

I see all you have left at this point is trolling.

Quite the failed launch. The card is selling out nearly everywhere and Nvidia is reacting by lowering prices on most of their high end as well as releasing an 'emergency edition' part.

Sounds like it went really terrible!