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ZZZAAA

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Well I'm eyeing the Vega 11 now so I hope they show something about that at the show. I also initially thought AMD was going head to head with the new 10XX that just released... I guess Doom must be the new de facto benchmark game for this generation of videocards.
 

Tumaras

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Yeah I'd wait for benchmarks too, it's pretty impossible to try to extrapolate performance expectations just from a photo of a game running on a particular monitor.
 

C@mM!

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Yeah I'd wait for benchmarks too, it's pretty impossible to try to extrapolate performance expectations just from a photo of a game running on a particular monitor.

The only thing you can really extrapolate is AMD is comfortable demoing its card on that monitor. So you would expect a minimum of 60FPS at decent settings at the resolution mentioned.
 

3DVagabond

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It would be disappointing to get slightly better than 390/390x performance for $250-300 when that was more or less available back in 2014/15 when the 290/290x were available for that price.

But I'll wait to see the real benchmarks.

People bought the heck out of 970's when that's all they did.
 

nenforcer

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It would be disappointing to get slightly better than 390/390x performance for $250-300 when that was more or less available back in 2014/15 when the 290/290x were available for that price.

But I'll wait to see the real benchmarks.

Don't forget its also 100W less power to get that level of performance so ~150W for the R9 480. The problem is nobody sidegrades video cards with the same level of performance just for lower power consumption. If these cards aren't any faster (or very little) than the R9 290 / 390 they will have to price them accordingly - which is $250 or less. This would put Polaris 11 in the $150 price range which is probably appropriate given its performance.
 

AtenRa

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Don't forget its also 100W less power to get that level of performance so ~150W for the R9 480.

Having Hawaii performance at 150W TDP using the new 14nm FF process will be a huge FAIL. That is like having GTX 970 perf/w.
 

AtenRa

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But what if for 200€? That would be awesome!

Dont thing so, GTX 1060 will come later this year with performance of GTX 970/980 at 100-120W TDP and $200-250 price point.

I will say it once more, if Polaris 10 is R9 390X with 150W TDP it will be a huge fail.
 

misuspita

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Well, I, as many others, have a self-imposed limit of $$$ I am willing to spend on GPU, no matter the perf. I will not cross it no matter what. So for me, if they hit 200€ with 390X performance in 150W envelope is good news. Nay, great news!
 

beginner99

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It would be disappointing to get slightly better than 390/390x performance for $250-300 when that was more or less available back in 2014/15 when the 290/290x were available for that price.

But I'll wait to see the real benchmarks.

Agree. For us enthusiasts that follow the market and understood that the 390 was the same card as 290 with more RAM that is not really needed, 390x performance for $300 isn't exactly a revolution. You could have been running this setup at same price for over 2 years now. 290(x) were just very good deals.
 

tajoh111

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Dont thing so, GTX 1060 will come later this year with performance of GTX 970/980 at 100-120W TDP and $200-250 price point.

I will say it once more, if Polaris 10 is R9 390X with 150W TDP it will be a huge fail.

For that performance, it won't be a 150watt card those, I would think more along the lines of 120watts. This would make it more accessible to people that have a 300watt power supply.

However it would indeed need a max 280 dollar price to sell and at that price, it would not be flying off the shelves.

The gtx 970 kind of saturated sales for people that wanted this level of performance, particularly the overclocked ones for the last year and a half. This means although it might give AMD some marketshare because of volume, the revenue will just be so so because for this card to be particularly successful, the volume needs to be really high and because so many cards provided this role for the last 22 months, the amount of buyers left is not ideal for AMD. Add in competition from the 1070, the used card market and such, and the biggest customers for AMD at this point are the OEMs.

Cards often good for system builders are often terrible products for OEMs. This is beause they are either too expensive or they use too much power. For Nvidia's consumer lines, only the gtx 970 and below are suitable for most OEM's. However for system builders, these products are the least desirable as we want more power and performance regardless of cost to a certain extent. Polaris 10 fit in the OEM's category which means it was never going to be terrible exciting for us, however for OEM's it's the most attractive product from AMD in a very long time.

Tonga, Fury X and hawaii, were unsellable to OEMS because of their poor performance per watt and Tonga was just too slow that most companies just picked a gtx 960 or 970.

The 480/480x will atleast be sellable to these companies which is one of the biggest things AMD needs right now. Basically maximum performance at 120 watts, at an affordable price.
 

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Perf/W won't beat 1080/1070 but probably perf/price will.
That's difficult to predict. Perf/w could very well be higher than Paxwell. I say this because AMD has stated perf/w as one of their design goals. And with how aggressively they've been pushing Polaris into laptops, I'd be surprised if it didn't at least match Nvidia.
 

RussianSensation

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Dont thing so, GTX 1060 will come later this year with performance of GTX 970/980 at 100-120W TDP and $200-250 price point.

I will say it once more, if Polaris 10 is R9 390X with 150W TDP it will be a huge fail.

What if it's 5% faster than 390 for $199 at 120W TDP and 5-7% faster than R9 390X for $249 with 150W TDP? Are you saying a budget/mainstream gamer should pony up 52% more $ for a 1070 just to play games at 1080p 60Hz? The other part of your post is projecting 1060/Ti to fall between 970/980 which is exactly where 390X is right now. So you are saying a 30W lower power usage and 6GB of VRAM on the GP106 trumps DX12 performance and 8GB of VRAM?

Fingers crossed for good perf/$. Got screwed by the scam 970 3.5g last gen.

You can probably skip 2016 or even this entire generation if you don't mind turning some settings down and your 970 can hit 1.4-1.5Ghz. For 1080p 60hz gaming, this card is plenty fast for now. I think a good upgrade is 50-60% more performance at minimum and a great upgrade 75-100%. For you 980Ti/1070 OC is what I'd be aiming at if you want to get a 1440p/60Hz monitor. For 1080p 60Hz, keep using the 970 as 2017 GPUs will be even faster and/or cheaper.

 
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AtenRa

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What if it's 5% faster than 390 for $199 at 120W TDP and 5-7% faster than R9 390X for $249 with 150W TDP? Are you saying a budget/mainstream gamer should pony up 52% more $ for a 1070 just to play games at 1080p 60Hz? The other part of your post is projecting 1060/Ti to fall between 970/980 which is exactly where 390X is right now. So you are saying a 30W lower power usage and 6GB of VRAM on the GP106 trumps DX12 performance and 8GB of VRAM?

RX480 5-10% faster than 390X at $199 and 120-130W TDP
and RX480X 20-25% faster than 390X at $299 and 130W TDP.

That should be what we will get in order to make sense with what AMD have said so far about new architecture + the new manufacturing process = 2.5X perf/watt and talks like increasing the TAM for VR.

Dont forget NVIDIA will give 980Ti/Titan X performance at $380-420 eventually with custom GTX 1070 around the same time of Polaris release.


You can probably skip 2016 or even this entire generation if you don't mind turning some settings down and your 970 can hit 1.4-1.5Ghz. For 1080p 60hz gaming, this card is plenty fast for now. I think a good upgrade is 50-60% more performance at minimum and a great upgrade 75-100%. For you 980Ti/1070 OC is what I'd be aiming at if you want to get a 1440p/60Hz monitor. For 1080p 60Hz, keep using the 970 as 2017 GPUs will be even faster and/or cheaper.


Im sure there are millions of gamers that have lower than R9 390X/GTX 970 performance cards.
Especially if you take DX-12 games, RX480X with perf/watt and price above could be 50% or more faster than GTX 970. Not a bad upgrade for many GTX 970 users.

I have a R9 390, if Polaris 10 is 20-30% faster than my card at $299 and 130W TDP I will upgrade as well.
 

dark zero

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Having Hawaii performance at 150W TDP using the new 14nm FF process will be a huge FAIL. That is like having GTX 970 perf/w.
If Polaris 11 brings the Hawaii performance at max 80 watt could be an epic win. And GTX 1060 could be DOAed faster than expecting...

BTW that means that 1050 and below could be RIP
 

Mercennarius

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Looking more and more like the 480 is going to offer 390X performance +/- a few percent at a significantly lower power consumption and probably a much cooler running card. At the right price this could be a great all around card. But likely not worth upgrading for anyone running a 390 or better AMD card.
 

Maverick177

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Looking more and more like the 480 is going to offer 390X performance +/- a few percent at a significantly lower power consumption and probably a much cooler running card. At the right price this could be a great all around card. But likely not worth upgrading for anyone running a 390 or better AMD card.

That's really disappointing.
 
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