Vietnam Vet Spits in Jane Fonda's Face @ Book Signing

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: yllus
Exactly how much do you need to know about the subject to realize that what he did was wrong? That war is over and a couple decades behind us. The state will apparently not be prosecuting her. What he did was illegal. That's all you need to know to reach a verdict here. His justification for being pissed doesn't enter into it.

I'm glad you can live in a candy-coated world where all is forgotten and forgiven when the children are tucked in at night, but what she did was atrocious and he has every right to do what he did and to hate her for as long as he wishes. While she was living her happy life in America, they were fighting and dying. Then she has the nerve to go over there? She spit in their faces metaphorically years ago; I don't see a problem with doing it for real.

And sadly, there are far too many of you that believe you don't have to know anything about a subject before commenting on it.

Oh, STFU dumbass. :roll: Did I say that he was required to stop despising her? The fact is he committed an illegal act upon her at the book signing. It's amusing that you condone such an action, but many of us don't.

As for your superior credentials on the topic, let's hear 'em. So far what's saddest is how hysterically emotional you've reacted and the poor grasp of reading comprehension you've displayed.

You're a moron, and I'm not spending any more time arguing with you. The fact is, you can't accurately claim that what someone did was "right" or "wrong" in the truest sense of the word unless you know WHY they did it. Now you would say that since what he did was illegal, it was wrong, and that NO amount of backup would prove otherwise. In other words, if it was Stalin sitting at that table and that guy's family was put to death by him, YOU would say that spitting in his face was wrong because it was illegal. I would say that since you don't know what that person sitting across the table did to him, then you can't know enough to deem his act right or wrong.

What that man did was right in every sense of the word as I see it. You can disagree, but given just the FACTS that I know, I would tell you you're wrong.

 

[Brackis]

Fact-Boy, you haven't responded to my latest comment about you.

 

[CaptnKirk]

What a totaly assinine and imature thing to do . . .

(Bukake would be much more appropriate)

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Brackis
He may be somewhat candy coated, but you are more dangerous with your bias than he is with idealism.
American soldiers killed tens of thousands of soldiers, women and children over in Vietnam. All parties did evil and atrocious things that had far greater ramifications that what Jane Fonda did. Like I said before, she is a great scapegoat for the belligerent, bilious people of our country to hate.

I don't condone what our soldiers did, nor what our government did there. But the fact is that she could have stayed over here and protested and I wouldn't have said a word. What she DID do, on the other hand, was far worse.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: hungfarover
Don't know if this is a repost or not. I searched and couldn't find it.

Vietnam vet calls spitting in Fonda's face ?a debt of honor'

Posted on Wed, Apr. 20, 2005





Vietnam vet calls spitting in Fonda's face ?a debt of honor'

By CHRISTINE VENDEL

The Kansas City Star


Kansas City police arrested a 54-year-old man Tuesday night after he allegedly spit tobacco juice into the face of Jane Fonda at a book signing event on The Country Club Plaza.

Michael A. Smith, a Vietnam veteran from Kansas City, was charged with disorderly conduct, a city charge.

Reached by telephone this morning, Smith called Fonda a ?traitor? and said her protests of the Vietnam War were unforgivable. He said he went to the event at the Unity Temple, 707 W. 47th St., for the sole purpose of spitting in her face. He said he doesn't normally chew tobacco, but he did Tuesday.

?I consider it a debt of honor,? he said. ?She spit in our faces for 37 years?It was absolutely worth it. There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did.?

Smith said he receives disability payments from the government for injuries suffered in the Vietnam War. He said he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and nerve damage caused by Agent Orange.

Police said Smith waited in line for about 90 minutes, then passed a book to Fonda about 9 p.m. and spit at her. Smith then ran, police said, but quickly was arrested by off-duty Kansas City police officers hired to provide security for the event.

Fonda declined to press charges against Smith, police said.

LOL!!!

It couldn't have happened to a more deserving person.

EDIT: posted whole article

I hate to say this but you are not going to find alot of sympathy for Vietnam Vets in this forum.

Ausm

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Brackis
He may be somewhat candy coated, but you are more dangerous with your bias than he is with idealism.
American soldiers killed tens of thousands of soldiers, women and children over in Vietnam. All parties did evil and atrocious things that had far greater ramifications that what Jane Fonda did. Like I said before, she is a great scapegoat for the belligerent, bilious people of our country to hate.

I don't condone what our soldiers did, nor what our government did there. But the fact is that she could have stayed over here and protested and I wouldn't have said a word. What she DID do, on the other hand, was far worse.

So our government and soldiers did horrible things and committed war crimes, but Jane Fonda is worthy of your inexorable hatred because she didn't stay tacit?

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Brackis
Fact-Boy, you haven't responded to my latest comment about you.

Normally I try to post sparsely in between work. Right now, I have to stop posting so I can get my work done. I hope in the future that when I don't respond to everything you say you'll understand that it's not an implicit agreement to what you said, but merely me running out of time to continue this conversation on an internet message board I don't have time to type in.

 

[AMDZen]

Awesome. If only 10 people had spit in her face instead of just one.

 

[RagingBITCH]

A former teacher who was in 'nam was telling me he would piss on Jane Fonda if he had the chance. I'm sure somewhere, he's applauding the guy.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Hahahahah, that's awesome! Good for that guy. Ironically, we're also learning about Vietnam in history right now.

Are you learning how the vietnam war was started by a lie? (look up gulf of tonkin resolution in google).

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: Ausm

I hate to say this but you are not going to find alot of sympathy for Vietnam Vets in this forum.

Ausm

There are many many different forms of Vietnam Veteran.
I can respect and honor those who faught, but only if they are capable of understanding that war, especially their war, was brutal and should never happen again.
I suggest all go read The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien.

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
Do you look for new and different ways to be a dumbass in every thread you are in?

...

Or perhaps consider that while in North Vietnam she was given the chance to meet with some POWs. One of them tried to pass her a note which she gave to her hosts. The result was a severe beating for the POW.

I won't disagree with the rest of your post, but please read the thread to see that you're wrong on this point.

 

[Ronstang]

She is a useless self serving cvnt and deserved what happened to her as she is definitely a traitor and should have been jailed over 30 years ago for her crimes in my opinion.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Brackis
So our government and soldiers did horrible things and committed war crimes, but Jane Fonda is worthy of your inexorable hatred because she didn't stay tacit?

To be against the war is one thing, but to be against only one side is another. She chose their side as though they were right and we were wrong, and then insulted our soldiers that were tortured over there by calling them liars and hypocrites. THAT is worthy of my inexorable hatred, yes.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Brackis
He may be somewhat candy coated, but you are more dangerous with your bias than he is with idealism.
American soldiers killed tens of thousands of soldiers, women and children over in Vietnam. All parties did evil and atrocious things that had far greater ramifications that what Jane Fonda did. Like I said before, she is a great scapegoat for the belligerent, bilious people of our country to hate.

I don't condone what our soldiers did, nor what our government did there. But the fact is that she could have stayed over here and protested and I wouldn't have said a word. What she DID do, on the other hand, was far worse.

So our government and soldiers did horrible things and committed war crimes, but Jane Fonda is worthy of your inexorable hatred because she didn't stay tacit?

I think some of you need to read more. And find out exactly what it was the Fonda did during the war before you decide if she is deserving of this or not. As far as I'm concerned, she is responsible for the deaths of a lot of POW's, and crushing the spirits of 100's of others. She is a traitor, and she deserve's far worse then this.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Um dude... she did apologize for the photograph. A while back actually.

Proof?

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: Ausm

I hate to say this but you are not going to find alot of sympathy for Vietnam Vets in this forum.

Ausm

There are many many different forms of Vietnam Veteran.
I can respect and honor those who faught, but only if they are capable of understanding that war, especially their war, was brutal and should never happen again.
I suggest all go read The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien.

It was a political war which was not the fault of the men who fought it nor should they be blamed for it.

Ausm

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Brackis
Fact-Boy, you haven't responded to my latest comment about you.

Normally I try to post sparsely in between work. Right now, I have to stop posting so I can get my work done. I hope in the future that when I don't respond to everything you say you'll understand that it's not an implicit agreement to what you said, but merely me running out of time to continue this conversation on an internet message board I don't have time to type in.

I said this because you had responded to a post made after my post, implying that you had an easier time arguing against their comments and than mine.

 

[shuan24]

I'm inclined to agree with Ilmater. So what if the act was "illegal"? He doesn't give a sh!t. What he did was right. When your country is fighting a war, either for right or wrong, we as citizens have a duty to support our troops. You don't have to support the war, cause, policy, etc, but when your neighbor is dying for your country you don't turn your back on him/her.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
You're a moron, and I'm not spending any more time arguing with you. The fact is, you can't accurately claim that what someone did was "right" or "wrong" in the truest sense of the word unless you know WHY they did it. Now you would say that since what he did was illegal, it was wrong, and that NO amount of backup would prove otherwise. In other words, if it was Stalin sitting at that table and that guy's family was put to death by him, YOU would say that spitting in his face was wrong because it was illegal. I would say that since you don't know what that person sitting across the table did to him, then you can't know enough to deem his act right or wrong.

What that man did was right in every sense of the word as I see it. You can disagree, but given just the FACTS that I know, I would tell you you're wrong.

Oh, I see. So rape isn't "wrong" in the truest sense of the word unless you know WHY they did it. Yeah, that's a wonderful way to contravene the guiding principles of law of the country because you're overly emotional. An act of crime isn't wrong until you know why it happened. :roll:

I'd like to see her up on treason charges myself, but since the fact is that will not happen, I will not condone assault upon her from other civilians.

 

[freakflag]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Hahahahah, that's awesome! Good for that guy. Ironically, we're also learning about Vietnam in history right now.

Are you learning how the vietnam war was started by a lie? (look up gulf of tonkin resolution in google).

Maybe you should Google Dien Bien Phu.

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: Ausm

I hate to say this but you are not going to find alot of sympathy for Vietnam Vets in this forum.

Ausm

There are many many different forms of Vietnam Veteran.
I can respect and honor those who faught, but only if they are capable of understanding that war, especially their war, was brutal and should never happen again.
I suggest all go read The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien.

It was a political war which was not the fault of the men who fought it nor should they be blamed for it.

Ausm

You missed my point completely.


I do not find fault with those who chose to kill with the understanding that it was the only option. I do, however, have little respect for those who enjoyed killing and also those who committed atrocities against the enemy and the enemy's women and children.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: shuan24
I'm inclined to agree with Ilmater. So what if the act was "illegal"? He doesn't give a sh!t. What he did was right. When your country is fighting a war, either for right or wrong, we as citizens have a duty to support our troops. You don't have to support the war, cause, policy, etc, but when your neighbor is dying for your country you don't turn your back on him/her.

Umm pretty soon you are going to be labeled a warmonger and wrapping yourself in the flag by the uberliberal peeps on this forum.


Ausm

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: Ausm

I hate to say this but you are not going to find alot of sympathy for Vietnam Vets in this forum.

Ausm

There are many many different forms of Vietnam Veteran.
I can respect and honor those who faught, but only if they are capable of understanding that war, especially their war, was brutal and should never happen again.
I suggest all go read The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien.

It was a political war which was not the fault of the men who fought it nor should they be blamed for it.

Ausm

You missed my point completely.


I do not find fault with those who chose to kill with the understanding that it was the only option. I do, however, have little respect for those who enjoyed killing and also those who committed atrocities against the enemy and the enemy's women and children.

And you completely miss my point.... Do you think no atrocities were done by Americans in other wars? PAAALEAAASE.

Ausm

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: freakflag

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Hahahahah, that's awesome! Good for that guy. Ironically, we're also learning about Vietnam in history right now.

Are you learning how the vietnam war was started by a lie? (look up gulf of tonkin resolution in google).

Maybe you should Google Dien Bien Phu.

And you should google "My Lai Massacre" and "Tiger Force"