Violence hitting supporters of health care reform bill

[shadow9d9]

See the apologists here? Pathetic. You are all pathetic.

 

[woolfe9999]

I find it odd that my post got a rise out of you.

I call it like I see it. I have never been to nor am a part of the tea party protests but if they were as violent as is portrayed in this forum (see the above post comparing them to 9/11 terrorists) I think the military would be involved, which they aren't.

It isn't "they" who are violent, as in all of them. Take the OCB and its relationship to the militia movement. That was 3 people who were members of a militia group, but acted on their own. That is what concerns me here. There is a certain amount of violent rhetoric in the movement, and a lot of populous anger. It only takes a tiny percentage of people to act on violent ideation and you have a problem.

And it's really a problem for the tea partiers as whole, if it happens. The militia movement lost most of its membership after the OCB, because the incident discredited the movement in the eyes of the public. Doesn't matter whether it was fair or unfair for the public to generalize in the way they did. The point is that the general public will be bound to see it that way because people have very extreme reactions to terrorism.

- wolf

 

[Mursilis]

Same right-wing assholes, different religion, same bullshit.

Well, we've got 9/11 - now all we need is for someone to play the Hitler card, and this thread's complete!

 

[shadow9d9]

Well, we've got 9/11 - now all we need is for someone to play the Hitler card, and this thread's complete!

Ignorant religious extremists are ignorant religious extremists. Why is violence with one ok, but the other is not?

 

[JSt0rm]

Ignorant religious extremists are ignorant religious extremists. Why is violence with one ok, but the other is not?

qft

 

[Zebo]

Same right-wing assholes, different religion, same bullshit.

I've often wondered why RW does not convert to Islam - it's really perfect for them, no taxes allowed, second class status of women, and homophobia (like dead meat) among other things.

 

[cubby1223]

These stories have been hitting the news, "the left" likes to run with it, in part to cry they are victims and yadda yadda yadda...

But one takes a step back and has to ask what the fuck did the left _think_ was going to happen? Did they *really* expect everyone to take this peacefully?

This is why everyone says to make sweeping changes, it *must* be done in a bipartisan push, or not at all. It's got nothing to do with pandering to the losers of the election, it has little to do with Republicans. It has everything to do with getting free citizens to follow leadership.


Obama said himself back years ago that health care reform cannot be on a 50 plus 1 strategy, because it would not be possible to govern after that. Pick your favorite google link:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22we+are+not+going+to+pass+universal+health+care+with+a+fifty+plus+one+strategy%22

 

[HannibalX]

I'd like you to quote what I said which led you to this blatant straw man, i.e. claiming that I am characterizing an entire group by the acts of "a lunatic." Doens't even remotely resemble what I posted.

- wolf

Read your own post, it's up there for everyone to see.

 

[woolfe9999]

Read your own post, it's up there for everyone to see.

I have, and what you described as my position - lumping all tea partiers (let alone "everyone who disagrees with" me) in with a "lunatic" is simply not there. Sorry, but you are going to have to tell me what it is that I wrote which led you to characterize it the way you did.

- wolf

 

[HannibalX]

I have, and what you described as my position - lumping all tea partiers (let alone "everyone who disagrees with" me) in with a "lunatic" is simply not there. Sorry, but you are going to have to tell me what it is that I wrote which led you to characterize it the way you did.

- wolf

Denial isn't just a river in Africa.

 

[woolfe9999]

Denial isn't just a river in Africa.

You're right. Someone is in denial here. I made comment which in my view you clearly mischaracterized. I accused you of straw mannery, asking how or why you interpretted my post the way you did. You are now avoiding the issue by proferring glib and snarky comments. Yup, someone is definitely in denial here.

- wolf

 

[crownjules]

But one takes a step back and has to ask what the fuck did the left _think_ was going to happen? Did they *really* expect everyone to take this peacefully?

You're honestly going with the "they asked for it" excuse?

There's a big difference between civilly protesting and outright thuggery. No matter how much you disagree with policy there is no excuse for making threats and doing physical harm to those (and their property) who do not support your own views on governing. Using violence to scare people into acting a certain way is a tactic the mafia uses. This behavior and action, if it really did take place, is criminal and shouldn't be condoned by anyone.

 

[jpeyton]

This is why everyone says to make sweeping changes, it *must* be done in a bipartisan push, or not at all.

Nah. The GOP is a party that needs to be purged from our political system. I've never seen a more vile group of people.

 

[werepossum]

I've often wondered why RW does not convert to Islam - it's really perfect for them, no taxes allowed, second class status of women, and homophobia (like dead meat) among other things.

LOL Funny, I was thinking the same thing about left wingers. Islam has a built-in taxation system, including government-sanctioned discrimination, sets up special privileged classes with rights other people don't have, and is run in a completely top-down fashion. There's a reason Islamic countries tend to be socialist, it's part of the religion.

I have to side with Wolfie, I don't think he said anything I'd disagree with and I identify at least to some degree with the tea party folks. It doesn't take them all to set a bomb, just one of them - just like the Messiah's buddy William Ayers didn't speak for all smelly left-wing hippie types. I'm always leery of accepting these allegations simply because so many left wingers have been caught faking these things or vandalizing other liberals' property to incite rage against their political opponents, and left-wingers are quick with accusations of racist slurs even where the incidents appear on tape but the slurs don't. But it wouldn't greatly surprise me either if some right winger blew up something or shot some people. Like that plane-flying nut quoting Marx, it only takes one or two.

 

[cubby1223]

You're honestly going with the "they asked for it" excuse?

There's a big difference between civilly protesting and outright thuggery. No matter how much you disagree with policy there is no excuse for making threats and doing physical harm to those (and their property) who do not support your own views on governing. Using violence to scare people into acting a certain way is a tactic the mafia uses. This behavior and action, if it really did take place, is criminal and shouldn't be condoned by anyone.

I will say here and now that I do not condone their actions. Violence is not the way to act.

...hmmm, my words didn't change a thing

maybe I failed to hope for peace hard enough, perhaps that could have worked

 

[MotF Bane]

You have the wrong guy. He's the one who would see doctors imprisoned or otherwise punished if they violated a rule of government to help a patient.

Government is always right. Learn it, accept it, brother.

 

[cubby1223]

Nah. The GOP is a party that needs to be purged from our political system. I've never seen a more vile group of people.

That's only because you're hyper-partisan.

 

[Jaskalas]

Nah. The GOP is a party that needs to be purged from our political system. I've never seen a more vile group of people.

Yet you kept wanting to force yourself on them.

 

[Red Dawn]

Yet you kept wanting to force yourself on them.

Who does he think he is, Larry Craig?

 

[zinfamous]

Wow, people here are actually trying to defend the minority crazies inciting violence on innocent people?

deflecting the post by claiming that the OP is lumping these incidents into one mass group is simply ignoring the issue, and casting aspersions on someone who is critical of lunatic fringe is....frightening.

If the posts come from a Tea Party sight...what more is there to say? That's where they come from. It doesn't suggest that it is the entire movement, but that these acts resulted from such calls. probably a handful of people, at best. The point is that there are those committing acts, and those encouraging others to do so. Being unwilling to criticize such acts is almost guilt through association.

Fucking unbelievable.

 

[shira]

Denial isn't just a river in Africa.

It's pretty amazing that your taking this tack. I've never PMed Woolfe or had an exchange with him, so we're not buddies or anything and this isn't some private thing. Unlike most of the rest of us, I've never seen him get carried away by partisanship in his posts. So when I read his typical restrained and sensible post and your response to it, I obviously saw a huge disconnect. Why else would I have interceded?

I really think that in this particular instance you're seeing something that isn't there.

 

[cubby1223]

Wow, people here are actually trying to defend the minority crazies inciting violence on innocent people?

Learn to read better.

 

[Amused]

Sounds an AWFUL lot like a replay of this:

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/2...nver-democrat-hq-dems-smeared-obamacare-foes/

Fake hate crime alert: Leftists vandalize Denver Democrat HQ; Dems smeared Obamacare foes

 

[Darwin333]

So we've opened the door to a new approach where Domestic Terrorists can hide behind claiming that they are being Patriotic
and making sure that only the radical minority viewpoint is seen as a valid method?

When the GOP members gathered on the balcony to cheer on the fools who were being distruprive, they proved that they are clueless.

Limbaugh and his cowardly attacks hiding behind 'The Freedom of Speech' to insite a possibility of riots is called Sedition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition

Sedition is a high crime against the United States Government, a felony, and should be enforced where there is cause.

Busting some windows out is now domestic terrorism? What ever happen to friggen low life vandals? Is anyone who does something stupid in the name of politics now a terrorist or just the ones who disagree with your side? Keep in mind, there is plenty of stupidity to go around on both sides.


Then again, I am kinda liking where this could go. I say we build special jails for all the "high crime felony" political offenders that break windows and slash tires and stick them all in there together. Instead of the bloods and crips jailhouse fights we would have the libs and cons. We could turn it into a reality show and actually make a few nickels off of it to fund the super secret special police force that would be in charge of rounding all of them up.

 

[HannibalX]

It's pretty amazing that your taking this tack. I've never PMed Woolfe or had an exchange with him, so we're not buddies or anything and this isn't some private thing. Unlike most of the rest of us, I've never seen him get carried away by partisanship in his posts. So when I read his typical restrained and sensible post and your response to it, I obviously saw a huge disconnect. Why else would I have interceded?

I really think that in this particular instance you're seeing something that isn't there.

Reading some of your past posts it's no surprise to me you would take that point of view. I am neither right wing or left wing, I don't claim a party so for me it's funny to watch people like you take every opportunity to attack the other side (reading your posts probably 2/3s are attacks on those who do not share your opinion). My list keeps getting bigger and bigger.