Violence hitting supporters of health care reform bill

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Darwin333

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Dec 11, 2006
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The GOP and their new pet pitbull teabaggers managed to go from a majority in 2004 to a increasingly powerless minority now.

Do they really think that acting like over emotion adolescent vandals will get them back in power?

My guess, the FBI already has informants in place in various tea bag groups, and if the FBI can prove this vandalism campaign is being orchestrated by someone high up in the GOP, the GOP will be in deep doo doo come the election of 11/2010.

LOL. You really think someone high up in the GOP is orchestrating people to throw a few bricks through some windows? That is some really wishful thinking there.
 

Anarchist420

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This violence is good and should be perfectly legal, because it's in the Founding Principles. I hope Thomas Jefferson's ghost soon guides a successful Revolution and these statists are brought to the ultimate justice for violating our Founding Principles.
 

HannibalX

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You're right. Someone is in denial here. I made comment which in my view you clearly mischaracterized. I accused you of straw mannery, asking how or why you interpretted my post the way you did. You are now avoiding the issue by proferring glib and snarky comments. Yup, someone is definitely in denial here.

- wolf

If it helps you sleep it night think whatever you want. My post and yours are there for anyone to read. It's obvious that if people don't share your views, you lump them into the "violent tea party" group, just as this thread does. You claim that it's not your fault the public perceives a group by the actions of one lunatic, like with OCB, but yet you perpetuate it. Oh the irony. Again, my list continues to grow.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
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Ignorant religious extremists are ignorant religious extremists. Why is violence with one ok, but the other is not?

Its not ok at all but perhaps a little context is due?

I bet these guys aren't on your team right? I wonder how you will react when some dumbfuck on your team does something similar?

This is the absurdity of our politics, we are comparing broken windows to 9/11 purely based on politics. If it was some asshole sleeping with some guys wife that incited the broken windows this would be a non-story. OMFGWTFBBQ they didn't like the healthcare bill though!!! DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!!! GITMO!!! WATERBOARD THE BASTARDS!! FIND THE CO-CONSPIRATORS!!!

You guys crack me up sometimes.
 

cubby1223

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Nobody here is defending, excusing, or accepting violence.

However, sometimes there has to be recognition of reality. There has been violence between humans since the dawn of time. There has been violence against politicians in this country since its very beginning.

The goal of better & cheaper health care should be something that unites everyone together. Yet our politicians figured out a way to take a good idea and tear this country apart. I'm sure there were violent threats against Republicans and Dems who opposed this bill too, by the fringe on the other side of the issue.

The real point is that just speaking against violence does not make it go away. Sometimes we have to recognize what incites violence, and not do that.

If I see a person on the street who looks kinda crazy, not right in the head, but otherwise not doing anything illegal, should I purposely piss him off? Poke at him until he reacts? Insult him?

Like it or not, this administration is giving off the impression of being corrupt, dishonest, and immoral.

What impression is given when the bill is ultimately written in secrecy? When it is voted on without being read? When it includes all sorts of bribes for votes? When the speaker of the house stands at the mic and states this bill will reduce the deficit by $1.3trillion just before the vote takes place?
 

shira

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Jan 12, 2005
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Reading some of your past posts it's no surprise to me you would take that point of view. I am neither right wing or left wing, I don't claim a party so for me it's funny to watch people like you take every opportunity to attack the other side (reading your posts probably 2/3s are attacks on those who do not share your opinion). My list keeps getting bigger and bigger.

Oh, I DO attack when I think the fool on the other side deserves it, which is pretty often. But I also treat thoughtful posts by the other side with respect.

Unlike me, however, Woolfe isn't ever "partisan" that I've seen. So your attidtude toward his post seems rather misplaced.
 

shira

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And under the category of Democrats just imagining that they're being threatened, there was this story:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iNzNTxkoXXj-xOcwrAcI2QSXKupwD9EL8FHG2

FBI investigating threats to Democrats

By JIM ABRAMS (AP)

WASHINGTON — The FBI is investigating threats against lawmakers stemming from intense opposition to the health care overhaul law.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer says more than 10 Democratic lawmakers have reported incidents. Hoyer adds that the FBI and Capitol Police briefed Democrats on how to handle perceived security threats.

The FBI says that all threats and incidents directed against members of Congress are taken seriously and are being investigated by the FBI. The bureau's Washington field office issued the statement.

The FBI statement added that U.S. Capitol Police and other law enforcement agencies also are investigating to identify and bring to justice those responsible.
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
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So cutting gas lines to blow up a house full of children is OK. Hey, Obama is a nazi commie socialist because you all cannot accept election results.
So it is justified.
Idiots.
 

shira

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So cutting gas lines to blow up a house full of children is OK. Hey, Obama is a nazi commie socialist because you all cannot accept election results.
So it is justified.
Idiots.

The irony of the tea party fringe is that most of them probably don't even understand what "Communism", "Nazism", or "Socialism" is. They're just dirty words they use to say someone is a bad person.
 

woolfe9999

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Nobody here is defending, excusing, or accepting violence.

However, sometimes there has to be recognition of reality. There has been violence between humans since the dawn of time. There has been violence against politicians in this country since its very beginning.

The goal of better & cheaper health care should be something that unites everyone together. Yet our politicians figured out a way to take a good idea and tear this country apart. I'm sure there were violent threats against Republicans and Dems who opposed this bill too, by the fringe on the other side of the issue.

The real point is that just speaking against violence does not make it go away. Sometimes we have to recognize what incites violence, and not do that.

If I see a person on the street who looks kinda crazy, not right in the head, but otherwise not doing anything illegal, should I purposely piss him off? Poke at him until he reacts? Insult him?

Like it or not, this administration is giving off the impression of being corrupt, dishonest, and immoral.

What impression is given when the bill is ultimately written in secrecy? When it is voted on without being read? When it includes all sorts of bribes for votes? When the speaker of the house stands at the mic and states this bill will reduce the deficit by $1.3trillion just before the vote takes place?

The trouble with violence, or threats of violence (i.e. intimidation), in a democracy, is that it is an unacceptable response to not getting your way through the process of voting. If elected officials should do what you say, i.e. recognize the anger that underscores the violence and not do the things that are making people angry, then there is precedent that physical intimidation will get a desired political result. Sorry, but that is not how things work around here. It's very parrellel to a fallacy of the left vis-a-vis Islamic terrorism, where they say we should recognize the cause of Islamic anger toward the west (e.g., support of Israel) and stop doing the things that are causing them to be violent. Note the inverted logic, where the victim of the violence becomes the responsible party rather than its perpetrator. This sort of reasoning is dangerously close to apologia for violence and terrorism.

If the right is dissatisfied with this bill, or any other aspect of what Obama and the dems are doing, then they have the ballot box as their recourse. We had our first peaceful, democratic transition of power when Washington handed over the reigns to Adams. Since then, we have distinguished ourselves from bananic republics and other anarchic hell holes in places like Africa because we resolve our issues through a peaceful, democratic process (the civil war being the one exception that is now 150 years in the past).

In short, if you want to talk about the issues that are making the right so angry, then do that. The operative word here is talk. Talk away, and vote.

- wolf
 

shadow9d9

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Jul 6, 2004
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Nobody here is defending, excusing, or accepting violence.

However, sometimes there has to be recognition of reality. There has been violence between humans since the dawn of time. There has been violence against politicians in this country since its very beginning.

The goal of better & cheaper health care should be something that unites everyone together. Yet our politicians figured out a way to take a good idea and tear this country apart. I'm sure there were violent threats against Republicans and Dems who opposed this bill too, by the fringe on the other side of the issue.

The real point is that just speaking against violence does not make it go away. Sometimes we have to recognize what incites violence, and not do that.

If I see a person on the street who looks kinda crazy, not right in the head, but otherwise not doing anything illegal, should I purposely piss him off? Poke at him until he reacts? Insult him?

Like it or not, this administration is giving off the impression of being corrupt, dishonest, and immoral.

What impression is given when the bill is ultimately written in secrecy? When it is voted on without being read? When it includes all sorts of bribes for votes? When the speaker of the house stands at the mic and states this bill will reduce the deficit by $1.3trillion just before the vote takes place?

Actually, you are doing exactly that, excusing and justifying it. Matter of fact, I consider it treason. I honestly do not think your post falls under the protection of freedom of speech. You are promoting violence and giving justification for why.




Here is some more:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...tigating_cut_gas_line_at_home_of_dem_reps.php

And here is Palin inciting violence. Notice the crosshairs?: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0324/palin-gun-imagery-attack-democrats/
 
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Robor

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Wow, people here are actually trying to defend the minority crazies inciting violence on innocent people?

deflecting the post by claiming that the OP is lumping these incidents into one mass group is simply ignoring the issue, and casting aspersions on someone who is critical of lunatic fringe is....frightening.

If the posts come from a Tea Party sight...what more is there to say? That's where they come from. It doesn't suggest that it is the entire movement, but that these acts resulted from such calls. probably a handful of people, at best. The point is that there are those committing acts, and those encouraging others to do so. Being unwilling to criticize such acts is almost guilt through association.

Fucking unbelievable.

This
 

shadow9d9

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Its not ok at all but perhaps a little context is due?

I bet these guys aren't on your team right? I wonder how you will react when some dumbfuck on your team does something similar?

This is the absurdity of our politics, we are comparing broken windows to 9/11 purely based on politics. If it was some asshole sleeping with some guys wife that incited the broken windows this would be a non-story. OMFGWTFBBQ they didn't like the healthcare bill though!!! DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!!! GITMO!!! WATERBOARD THE BASTARDS!! FIND THE CO-CONSPIRATORS!!!

You guys crack me up sometimes.

Luckily I have no team. You could read every post I've ever made here with a fine comb if you'd like.

I'm the first person to criticize something I love if it sucks/is wrong.

I guess the FBI cracks you up too... because they have been all over these threats/violence.
 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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So cutting gas lines to blow up a house full of children is OK. Hey, Obama is a nazi commie socialist because you all cannot accept election results.
So it is justified.
Idiots.


Hey, they're just trying to send the kids off to see Jesus....

\in a giant fiery ball of flame
\\suffer the children unto me - extra cripsy if you don't mind...
 

piasabird

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I have no pity or compassion for democratic baby killers. They reap what they sew!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20100324/pl_politico/34907

When you live in the land of the free and the home of the brave and you sign the most communistic bill ever to pass in the house, you have to expect someone to be angry. I would not suggest that violence is the answer. However, feel free to hold a civil protest on their sidewalk.
 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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I have no pity or compassion for democratic baby killers. They reap what they sew!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20100324/pl_politico/34907

When you live in the land of the free and the home of the brave and you sign the most communistic bill ever to pass in the house, you have to expect someone to be angry. I would not suggest that violence is the answer. However, feel free to hold a civil protest on their sidewalk.

ah, your contradiction, so telling....

\tell me more about "watering the tree of liberty...."
 

nobodyknows

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You have the wrong guy. He's the one who would see doctors imprisoned or otherwise punished if they violated a rule of government to help a patient.

Jesus H Christ man, be careful with that knee jerking. You could break your friggin' neck!
 

Lemon law

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We are talking about simple tea bagger vandalism, and regardless if its orchestrated by a higher up GOP power or not, its not hard to predict that their shit must stop, or one or more of these miscreants will be caught in the act.

And if they think that their crimes will be delimited to simple vandalism laws, they may discover that Federal Officials are protected by far sterner laws. How much is already known by various law enforcement officials may be the question, usually in cases like these, they may delay arrests so they can nail the ringleaders.

But even if its the acts of isolated idiots, some lucky smuck will be the first to be caught.
And their bail may be astronomical.
 

colonel

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and I promised to defend the nation against foreign enemies and DOMESTICS.
 
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