Virginia People Please Help me

[kranky]

If you get a local lawyer who handles traffic offenses, you'll get a reduced fine and no record.

 

[nace186]

from the articles:

The tax applies only to Virginia residents, so that out-of-state motorists only need to pay the regular ticket amount.

So it doesn't seem like you'll have to pay 1k.

 

[slsmnaz]

we thank you for your contribution to our state. We're building VA one stupid motorist at a time

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dbk
My brother got the same ticket for going over 80mps. He had to take an 8 hr defenseive driving class. I'm assuming that reduced the offense. *shrug*

Space Shuttle pilot?

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: dbk
My brother got the same ticket for going over 80mps. He had to take an 8 hr defenseive driving class. I'm assuming that reduced the offense. *shrug*

Space Shuttle pilot?

They don't even go that fast. Not even close.
That's more like "non-existent ion drive/solar sail" fast.
I doubt you'd get a ticket going that fast. The plasma wake would probably incinerate any police sitting by the side of the road.

 

[blinky8225]

This has to border on violating the Eighth Amendment--excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

"The purpose of the civil remedial fees imposed in this section is to generate revenue," the new law states. (Virginia Code 46.2-206.1)

When a fine is created for the purpose of raising revenue, I'd argue that it is excessive. These fines extend far further than protecting the public's safety.

 

[NFS4]

Fuck Virginia. Last time I got a ticket was through Virginia on I-95 near Prince Georges County. Was driving up for my uncle's funeral in Baltimore. Got clocked going 80 in a 65.

I JUST got that mess off my license and am now enjoying much lower insurance premiums (THANK GOD!). The only good thing to come out of it is that I rarely do more than 5-7 MPH over nowadays.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: theplaidfad
The last time I posted about driving the speed limit, people replied that I should "get off the road".

Looks like I found my new champion for arguing the opposite.

Don't get me started on speeding as a "crime"...

This is a new level of Absurdity. I have never heard of anything like this. Nothing. This is the same offense as a fucking DWI. Driving while intoxicated. The same fucking thing as Driving with Traffic but a little over the speed limit.

I'm sorry, but you're basically saying it's okay to ignore pr disagree the laws you find stupid. This varies different from person to person. There are people out there that think it's okay to go over the speed limit, and there are even people who think it's okay to DWI... it's your life, you decide right?

Fine, your life, ignore the laws you think dumb then... but don't expect not to see replies like mine when you rant about getting pounded in the arse by the system we all live in.

By that logic, people deserved the beatings the got for standing up to Jim Crow laws. :roll:

Oh, so right! You fix the system then, Mr. elite AT lifer.

And by your comparison, you're comparing the standing up to the Jim Crow laws to speeding?... Pfft.

What about fixing the system? Unless he lived in virginia I doubt he could do very much. If the OP hires a lawyer and takes it against virginia etc, he may very well be fixing the system.

So's point or perhaps my understanding of it: laws will often be there and you will sometimes get caught, however that in no way makes it a fair or just law.

You have represented your view very simply: You broke the law and you deserve to get punished.

By that same view the Jim Crow laws were alright because they were laws after all. By making an argument based on the fact that the law exists you are in fact supporting the law itself. If your stating that not all laws are correct and that the only valid option is to actually change the law your accepting that the institution of law itself is always valid and looking back at history I've gotta say that you're pretty wrong. And look back at what you wrote : In response to his reply comparing speeding to a DWI you basically say they are the same thing; same choice right? DWI lawbreaking=Speeding lawbreaking Jim Crow laws!=Speeding law. Hypocrisy? Check

Now personally, if you break the laws and get caught, well... sucks for you: Do what you want, don't get caught.

Now I'd be fine with it if you were just a normal asshole: "Haha, you're a dumbass who got caught." The problem is that your also saying, "If you're just like me you wouldn't ever get caught blah blah I'm superior to you." Pretentious asshole's I have a problem with especially because you argued that going above the speed limit is always wrong, which it is not. The flow of traffic does apply. And by stating such you show your own heavy bias: 1 guy gets a speeding ticket on a forum which thousands of people view each day and from that anecdote you somehow prove your point. :disgust:

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: theplaidfad
The last time I posted about driving the speed limit, people replied that I should "get off the road".

Looks like I found my new champion for arguing the opposite.

Don't get me started on speeding as a "crime"...

This is a new level of Absurdity. I have never heard of anything like this. Nothing. This is the same offense as a fucking DWI. Driving while intoxicated. The same fucking thing as Driving with Traffic but a little over the speed limit.

I'm sorry, but you're basically saying it's okay to ignore pr disagree the laws you find stupid. This varies different from person to person. There are people out there that think it's okay to go over the speed limit, and there are even people who think it's okay to DWI... it's your life, you decide right?

Fine, your life, ignore the laws you think dumb then... but don't expect not to see replies like mine when you rant about getting pounded in the arse by the system we all live in.

By that logic, people deserved the beatings the got for standing up to Jim Crow laws. :roll:

Oh, so right! You fix the system then, Mr. elite AT lifer.

And by your comparison, you're comparing the standing up to the Jim Crow laws to speeding?... Pfft.

What about fixing the system? Unless he lived in virginia I doubt he could do very much. If the OP hires a lawyer and takes it against virginia etc, he may very well be fixing the system.

So's point or perhaps my understanding of it: laws will often be there and you will sometimes get caught, however that in no way makes it a fair or just law.

You have represented your view very simply: You broke the law and you deserve to get punished.

By that same view the Jim Crow laws were alright because they were laws after all. By making an argument based on the fact that the law exists you are in fact supporting the law itself. If your stating that not all laws are correct and that the only valid option is to actually change the law your accepting that the institution of law itself is always valid and looking back at history I've gotta say that you're pretty wrong. And look back at what you wrote : In response to his reply comparing speeding to a DWI you basically say they are the same thing; same choice right? DWI lawbreaking=Speeding lawbreaking Jim Crow laws!=Speeding law. Hypocrisy? Check

Now personally, if you break the laws and get caught, well... sucks for you: Do what you want, don't get caught.

Now I'd be fine with it if you were just a normal asshole: "Haha, you're a dumbass who got caught." The problem is that your also saying, "If you're just like me you wouldn't ever get caught blah blah I'm superior to you." Pretentious asshole's I have a problem with especially because you argued that going above the speed limit is always wrong, which it is not. The flow of traffic does apply. And by stating such you show your own heavy bias: 1 guy gets a speeding ticket on a forum which thousands of people view each day and from that anecdote you somehow prove your point. :disgust:

I'm sorry, from your post, I just read "blah blah blah"
So much for coherance.

Never at any point did I claim to be superior to ANYONE, show me where I did? Get over yourself and your over-thought explanation to mine, and others post. The funny thing is you have no idea which previos topic I'm even referencing, yet "1 guy gets a speeding ticket on a forum which thousands of people view each day and from that anecdote you somehow prove your point. :disgust:" and you think you have an expert response to me? Put your nose somewhere more useful where people might understand your useless, factless babble.

EDIT: I'm done with this topic, it's pointless trying to explain to apparent idiots that when you touch a fire, you get burnt. That's what's REALLY wrong with this country.... over-sensitive babies.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Fuck Virginia. Last time I got a ticket was through Virginia on I-95 near Prince Georges County. Was driving up for my uncle's funeral in Baltimore. Got clocked going 80 in a 65.

I JUST got that mess off my license and am now enjoying much lower insurance premiums (THANK GOD!). The only good thing to come out of it is that I rarely do more than 5-7 MPH over nowadays.

About how long did that take? I don't have the best record the way it is but I don't think I have any points on it.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: NFS4
Fuck Virginia. Last time I got a ticket was through Virginia on I-95 near Prince Georges County. Was driving up for my uncle's funeral in Baltimore. Got clocked going 80 in a 65.

I JUST got that mess off my license and am now enjoying much lower insurance premiums (THANK GOD!). The only good thing to come out of it is that I rarely do more than 5-7 MPH over nowadays.

About how long did that take? I don't have the best record the way it is but I don't think I have any points on it.

Three effin' years. My record was clean before then.

 

[SirStev0]

Can anyone tell me what a normal speeding ticket is and what the fines, points, and other junk they throw on are?

 

[XZeroII]

You want help?

QUIT BREAKING THE FREAKING LAW, LOSER! It's bad enough that you're dumb enough to break the law, but then you're dumb enough to whine about it on the internet looking for a way to weasel out of it.


Do you know what the difference is between the average person and a criminal is? A criminal is dumb enough to get caught. You, sir, are a criminal.


I hope you learn something from this.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: theplaidfad
The last time I posted about driving the speed limit, people replied that I should "get off the road".

Looks like I found my new champion for arguing the opposite.

Don't get me started on speeding as a "crime"...

This is a new level of Absurdity. I have never heard of anything like this. Nothing. This is the same offense as a fucking DWI. Driving while intoxicated. The same fucking thing as Driving with Traffic but a little over the speed limit.

I'm sorry, but you're basically saying it's okay to ignore pr disagree the laws you find stupid. This varies different from person to person. There are people out there that think it's okay to go over the speed limit, and there are even people who think it's okay to DWI... it's your life, you decide right?

Fine, your life, ignore the laws you think dumb then... but don't expect not to see replies like mine when you rant about getting pounded in the arse by the system we all live in.

By that logic, people deserved the beatings the got for standing up to Jim Crow laws. :roll:

Oh, so right! You fix the system then, Mr. elite AT lifer.

And by your comparison, you're comparing the standing up to the Jim Crow laws to speeding?... Pfft.

What about fixing the system? Unless he lived in virginia I doubt he could do very much. If the OP hires a lawyer and takes it against virginia etc, he may very well be fixing the system.

So's point or perhaps my understanding of it: laws will often be there and you will sometimes get caught, however that in no way makes it a fair or just law.

You have represented your view very simply: You broke the law and you deserve to get punished.

By that same view the Jim Crow laws were alright because they were laws after all. By making an argument based on the fact that the law exists you are in fact supporting the law itself. If your stating that not all laws are correct and that the only valid option is to actually change the law your accepting that the institution of law itself is always valid and looking back at history I've gotta say that you're pretty wrong. And look back at what you wrote : In response to his reply comparing speeding to a DWI you basically say they are the same thing; same choice right? DWI lawbreaking=Speeding lawbreaking Jim Crow laws!=Speeding law. Hypocrisy? Check

Now personally, if you break the laws and get caught, well... sucks for you: Do what you want, don't get caught.

Now I'd be fine with it if you were just a normal asshole: "Haha, you're a dumbass who got caught." The problem is that your also saying, "If you're just like me you wouldn't ever get caught blah blah I'm superior to you." Pretentious asshole's I have a problem with especially because you argued that going above the speed limit is always wrong, which it is not. The flow of traffic does apply. And by stating such you show your own heavy bias: 1 guy gets a speeding ticket on a forum which thousands of people view each day and from that anecdote you somehow prove your point. :disgust:

I'm sorry, from your post, I just read "blah blah blah"
So much for coherance.

Never at any point did I claim to be superior to ANYONE, show me where I did? Get over yourself and your over-thought explanation to mine, and others post. The funny thing is you have no idea which previos topic I'm even referencing, yet "1 guy gets a speeding ticket on a forum which thousands of people view each day and from that anecdote you somehow prove your point. :disgust:" and you think you have an expert response to me? Put your nose somewhere more useful where people might understand your useless, factless babble.

EDIT: I'm done with this topic, it's pointless trying to explain to apparent idiots that when you touch a fire, you get burnt. That's what's REALLY wrong with this country.... over-sensitive babies.

^^
Let's notice how he deflects my points by arguing about coherence. I'm pretty sure if you thought about it... y'know maybe a little bit like they told you in school, you'd be able to figure it out. Or not.

"Looks like I found my new champion for arguing the opposite."
That is the anecdote. As in your first reply in this thread.

I'm an over-sensitive baby? Laughing my fucking ass off. You have no idea how insensitive(atleast that's what people tell me... *cry*) I actually am. Thanks for making my day, it's nice for once to be thought of as a caring and considerate person once in a while. Sometimes there's so much beauty in the world I feel like I can't take it, like my heart's going to cave in. :roll:

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Can anyone tell me what a normal speeding ticket is and what the fines, points, and other junk they throw on are?

My ticket from VA:

Ticket-Page-2.jpg

 

[jonessoda]

Same thing happened to my friend, 85 in a 65, got it reduced to speeding and a ~$100 fine.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Can anyone tell me what a normal speeding ticket is and what the fines, points, and other junk they throw on are?

My ticket from VA:

Ticket-Page-2.jpg

This seems very, very low considering the fine they are trying to throw at me. Is it possible it has gone up in the last few years.

That would be about a $100 fine for 20 mph over. In PA a ticket for 5-10 mph over is something around $120.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: blinky8225

When a fine is created for the purpose of raising revenue, I'd argue that it is excessive. These fines extend far further than protecting the public's safety.

Really? Just how stupid would a person have to be to get nailed on it? Just how stupid would a person have to be to be nailed on it a 2nd time after learning how strict it was the first time? Doesn't a person that's learned not to be a dumbass protect the public safety? OP was a dumbass and will hopefully learn to at least not be a dumbass in Virginia even if he's a dumbass everywhere else.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: jonessoda
Same thing happened to my friend, 85 in a 65, got it reduced to speeding and a ~$100 fine.

Was this Virginia? and was it recent?

Apparently I slightly lucked out getting pulled over in Southern Virginia. Apparently in Northern and DC Area Virginia jail sentences and severe fines are common.

 

[Anubis]

this will help

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Anubis
http://sirstev0.justgotowned.com/">This will help</a>

You'd think by now, You'd learn to link... I believe this is a backfire owned...

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: blinky8225
This has to border on violating the Eighth Amendment--excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

"The purpose of the civil remedial fees imposed in this section is to generate revenue," the new law states. (Virginia Code 46.2-206.1)

When a fine is created for the purpose of raising revenue, I'd argue that it is excessive. These fines extend far further than protecting the public's safety.

totally agree, any good lawyer would pwn this.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: blinky8225

When a fine is created for the purpose of raising revenue, I'd argue that it is excessive. These fines extend far further than protecting the public's safety.

Really? Just how stupid would a person have to be to get nailed on it? Just how stupid would a person have to be to be nailed on it a 2nd time after learning how strict it was the first time? Doesn't a person that's learned not to be a dumbass protect the public safety? OP was a dumbass and will hopefully learn to at least not be a dumbass in Virginia even if he's a dumbass everywhere else.

uh, going over the speed limit is not being a dumb-ass, actually, I'd say at LEAST 90% of all drivers do it. So GTFO.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: blinky8225

When a fine is created for the purpose of raising revenue, I'd argue that it is excessive. These fines extend far further than protecting the public's safety.

Really? Just how stupid would a person have to be to get nailed on it? Just how stupid would a person have to be to be nailed on it a 2nd time after learning how strict it was the first time? Doesn't a person that's learned not to be a dumbass protect the public safety? OP was a dumbass and will hopefully learn to at least not be a dumbass in Virginia even if he's a dumbass everywhere else.

uh, going over the speed limit is not being a dumb-ass, actually, I'd say at LEAST 90% of all drivers do it. So GTFO.

And I'd say you pulled that stat out of your ass. If you don't have anything intelligent to say on your own at least have the common courtesy to avoid inventing lies. Then I don't have to take the time to smack you around for being a dumbass too.

Even if 90% of drivers did speed this law would sure prevent it. Risking a $3000+ fine to save 5 minutes is most assuredly being a dumbass.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Anubis
http://sirstev0.justgotowned.com/">This will help</a>

You'd think by now, You'd learn to link... I believe this is a backfire owned...

yea i fail
i miss clicked