Vishera Review Up - Anandtech

[SPBHM]

the fx 4300/6300 seem like better choices all around compared to the ivy bridge i3s even in gaming

this one with more extreme CPU gaming tests
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/880-17/moyennes.html
shows the ivy i3 pretty competitive against the 8350 in most games

 

[classy]

Not bad. Its not bad option now. Bulldozer was just not even an option, but these improvements make it at least worth considering. Multi-threaded stuff its a no brainer though, but multi-threaded is a still small in actual overall use.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Anands reviews have gradually become cold, soulless, indifferent and elitist towards AMD.

Seems like a fair review to me. Why do you call it "elitist", because he doesnt ignore its weaknesses like AMD fans?

I will grant you though, it makes AMD much more competitive, but since the only CPU heavy tasks I perform are gaming, it is not for me. Although Vishera is good in certain workloads, I still consider quad intel a more well rounded chip except for very specific applications. I also value efficiency, and there AMD still loses badly.

 

[Pilum]

Actually if you are on a deadline or a schedule with encoding every minutes may count,

and you'll naturally be using an 8-core SB-E. When time really matters, price is of little concern and AMD not an option.

 

[Zstream]

and you'll naturally be using an 8-core SB-E. When time really matters, price is of little concern and AMD not an option.

That's not the case at all. How many companies have you worked for?

 

[alexruiz]

Agree if you have a 60hz screen, but alot of gamers are moving to 120hz panels and then that 100 v 130 fps is a massive difference.

While I agree that ideally you want the highest numbers possible, how about you shows us a setup that can sustain those 120fps on BF3, metro 2033 and similars running 1920 x 1080 highest settings 8xMSAA 16xAF? In fact, many newer games, even on lowered detail, won't reach 120fps at 1080p. And if you tell me that you can lower the resolution, well, how could you complain of "massive difference" when nothings looks uglier than LCDs not running at native res?

Edit: My comment was to highlight that no matter the setup, we are not there yet for 120fps at 1080 yet.

 

[pc999]

Anandtech could really use some updating to some the benchmarks.... I mean Photoshop CS4 (in TomH it gets in first with PS CS6). Although nice to see W8.

It would be cool to see some hibryd x86/openCL apps (like sony Vegas).


Anyway it seems a really nice chip, the only (small?) problem is power consumption, this would be a fantastic CPU at 22nm!

The FX6300 might be really worth for my next upgrade(?), over a 4850e.

 

[Deaks2]

Nice gain, however, FX8350 pricing is out of whack. An i5-3570k is $190 at Micro Center (http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K_34GHz_LGA_1155_Processor) and is offered with several Z77 mobos at a $50 discount.

Overall, this is what AMD should have released last year.

 

[alexruiz]

Nice gain, however, FX8350 pricing is out of whack. An i5-3570k is $190 at Micro Center (http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K_34GHz_LGA_1155_Processor) and is offered with several Z77 mobos at a $50 discount.

Overall, this is what AMD should have released last year.

The FX8350 will be cheaper by a nice margin at MC than those $190 . Quote this posting now if you feel
You also get $40 combo discount, and with a nice 970 board the FX will give you enough room for a 120GB SSD than if going blue.

But for those who don't have a MC close, how expensive is is the 3570k somewhere else?

 

[Ferzerp]

 

[exar333]

It is a slightly-better BD processor. Better clocks for similar prices, and power consumption remains about the same. OCs pretty well, but really doesn't address much of the shortcomings of the BD arch (IPC). It is a stronger recommendation for MT applications, whereas BD~SB but <IB. Still doesn't make much sense for gaming compared to IB, but is serviceable.

Efficiency is still pretty bad though, and it falls well short when you start comparing to 6C Intel parts. If Intel is able to roll 6C parts into mainstream (post Haswell) it will really start squeezing AMD, who already has large CPU cores.

To sum it up, BD was a complete pass. This is at least worth considering for MT applications or if you can get a great deal on it. Would I build with it? No. But it's at least worth considering now.

 

[The Alias]

It is a slightly-better BD processor. Better clocks for similar prices, and power consumption remains about the same. OCs pretty well, but really doesn't address much of the shortcomings of the BD arch (IPC). It is a stronger recommendation for MT applications, whereas BD~SB but <IB. Still doesn't make much sense for gaming compared to IB, but is serviceable.

Efficiency is still pretty bad though, and it falls well short when you start comparing to 6C Intel parts. If Intel is able to roll 6C parts into mainstream (post Haswell) it will really start squeezing AMD, who already has large CPU cores.

To sum it up, BD was a complete pass. This is at least worth considering for MT applications or if you can get a great deal on it. Would I build with it? No. But it's at least worth considering now.

not to mention the 4300/6300 making the i3 irrelevant gaming wise

 

[Shakabutt]

Some reviews are so weird , i mean nl.hardware.info shows that the fx 6100 does 4.8 in Cinebench 11.5 yet my fx 6100 does 4.01 at stock and 4.8 when oced to 4ghz, seems weird.
And the techspot review is the same, and legionhardware, no way a fx6100 does 4.8 at stock .

Nobody here with a FX 6100 to confirm this ?

Real fishy

Every review besides the Anandtech one is showing some really weird scores for these processors, can anyone else confirm this ?

 

[exar333]

not to mention the 4300/6300 making the i3 irrelevant gaming wise

True. If the news around Haswell allowing FSB/BCLK overclocking for i3/i5 non-K models is accurate, the low-end overclocking for gaming will get very interesting.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I wish I could see some FX6300 overclocking. With two less cores producing heat, I wonder if it can clock a bit higher. Six threads over 5GHz for $132 sounds like a pretty good value, if it can clock in that range.

 

[exar333]

I wish I could see some FX6300 overclocking. With two less cores producing heat, I wonder if it can clock a bit higher. Six threads over 5GHz for $132 sounds like a pretty good value, if it can clock in that range.

Yeah. The 6-core was pretty much forgotten in BD, but with better IPC and better clocks here, it looks like a viable choice. For marginally more than the 4C part, if it OCs to similar levels, it looks like the best budget choice now.

 

[SithSolo1]

I don't have a brand preference for red, blue, or green; I just buy what fits the bill at the time I'm buying but:

The FX8350 will be cheaper by a nice margin at MC than those $190 . Quote this posting now if you feel

The 8320 is currently only $10 less than the 3570k at MC, I don't see the 8350 beating that price by a large margin.
Edit: Flipped around to some other MC stores, not my local. 8350 pricing is $219. Oopsies

You also get $40 combo discount, and with a nice 970 board the FX will give you enough room for a 120GB SSD than if going blue.

You also get a $50 motherboard discount with the blue team.
Edit2: Appears no combo discount atm either. Damn

But for those who don't have a MC close, how expensive is is the 3570k somewhere else?

The 3570k is only $10 more than the 8350 at Newegg. On top of all that Intel is pretty much your only option if you want to build a high-end mini-itx box.

 

[Shakabutt]

Found a video of some youtube guy cinebenching his fx 6100 @ 4 GHZ result : 4.8
exactly what im getting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf0hc3Y046U

And yet those sites get 4.8 AT STOCK.

Talk about misinformation sigh.

Edit : this is what im talking about

http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/331...0-fx-6300-getest-benchmarks-cpu-cinebench-115

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_8350_and_fx_6300,3.html

http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/page3.html
Almost identical review.Next time mix your reviews up before you pay for them AMD.

Makes you wonder how much they inflated those Piledriver scores.

So from what i see Anand's review seems to be spot on, while these other ones are like from the same bullshit cloth or something.

 

[Deaks2]

The FX8350 will be cheaper by a nice margin at MC than those $190 . Quote this posting now if you feel
You also get $40 combo discount, and with a nice 970 board the FX will give you enough room for a 120GB SSD than if going blue.

But for those who don't have a MC close, how expensive is is the 3570k somewhere else?

Maybe

BTW, MC prices float around, I paid $180 for my i5-3570k and $85 for my Asrock Z77 Extreme4 on October 12th at the Central Chicago store.

3570k in Canada is around $230 usually.

 

[Idontcare]

Found a video of some youtube guy cinebenching his fx 6100 @ 4 GHZ result : 4.8
exactly what im getting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf0hc3Y046U

And yet those sites get 4.8 AT STOCK.

Talk about misinformation sigh.

Edit : this is what im talking about

http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/331...0-fx-6300-getest-benchmarks-cpu-cinebench-115

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_8350_and_fx_6300,3.html

http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/page3.html
Almost identical review.Next time mix your reviews up before you pay for them AMD.

Makes you wonder how much they inflated those Piledriver scores.

So from what i see Anand's review seems to be spot on, while these other ones are like from the same bullshit cloth or something.

They are the same author, just publishing on different sites, aren't they?

 

[SithSolo1]

They are the same author, just publishing on different sites, aren't they?

Legion and Techspot are the same author, I don't know about the other one.

 

[alexruiz]

I don't have a brand preference for red, blue, or green; I just buy what fits the bill at the time I'm buying but:

The 8320 is currently only $10 less than the 3570k at MC, I don't see the 8350 beating that price by a large margin.
Edit: Flipped around to some other MC stores, not my local. 8350 pricing is $219. Oopsies

You also get a $50 motherboard discount with the blue team.

Edit2: Appears no combo discount atm either. Damn

The 3570k is only $10 more than the 8350 at Newegg. On top of all that Intel is pretty much your only option if you want to build a high-end mini-itx box.

Rats, they are all gouging the price
Wait a few days, it will will come down. Keep in mind the blue team combo applies only to Z77 mobos, no Z68. If going green, and won't be crossfiring, a nice 970 board will give you the same performance as the 990FX at a substantial discount, as the 970 boards are also part of the combo.

 

[slayernine]

Looks to me like AMD just created something worth buying again. All the reviewers love to point out that AMD doesn't make anything to compete with the high end, however average Joe buying a motherboard and processor isn't going to spend more than $199 on his processor and right now AMD has a nice option at that price point and lower. Plus who wouldn't love to tell their buddies that they managed to OC their proc. to 5GHZ OMG!!!

 

[thilanliyan]

I was hoping for MUCH better power consumption!! Looks like this FX-6100 will have to last a bit longer.

 

[Shakabutt]

I was hoping for MUCH better power consumption!! Looks like this FX-6100 will have to last a bit longer.

man whats your Cinebench score on that fx 6100 ?