Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Q, I'm well aware of what I'm getting into, and it has very little to do with TRUE lost freedoms. It's all about business. That may be a dirty word to some people, but business makes the world go round. As for me being imprisoned, well, be healthy dude, let ME decide what value I see in what. I can easily offer you this "freedom", without badgering, hyperbole and innuendo. Can't you do the same for me, and the rest of the folks here?
I've had Vista installed for all of 3-days now, and I'm very pleased with it. Nothing you can type is going to change this.
Here's some advice from a person who's probably been around a fair sight longer than you: seek out the company of people who share your passion for this, and feel superior to all of us poor fools who REALLY don't care about this issue as much as you.
I'm not going to switch my OS because you finally find the right combination of words to throw at me. I seriously doubt that anyone here will respond any differently.
What do you consider a TRUE freedom? If you buy a Microwave from me and then 2 months later I take it back. How would you feel? Cheated, wouldn't you? What makes Vista any different? If you bought it, it's yours. That is how everything works. According to Microsoft's EULA, you do NOT own Vista. You are merely renting it.
Your excuse is business. Does Windows XP prevent you from finishing this so called business you speak of? Would Linux or OS 10 prevent you from completing this business? Of course not. So, using "business" as an excuse is an old and tired one.
I've had Vista for much longer than you have. 3 days worth of experience is nothing. Try several months. You will then realize the errors of your mistakes. If you want to use Vista, then fine. Be my guest. However, you do realize that you are giving up a use that your computer once had; many uses in fact.
True freedom? Full ownership of myself and my labor. Being able to defend myself and my property. Do you need more?
Microsoft has no interest in taking Vista back, not from me at least. They do, however, have every right to protect their intellectual property, which I think is what you're moaning about. Also, just like most of the *NIX crowd, you seem to have a deep-seated problem with the idea of viewing personal computing as pay-for-play endeavor. If MS was composed of a bunch of socially-crippled dorks, sitting in a basement somewhere, giving you free sh*t, you'd be just fine with it. And yeah, BUSINESS isn't always pretty, but it's the way things work. You're going to HAVE to live with that, sooner or later. And NO, I have no interest in owning Vista. It's good enough for me, as a non-lawyer, non-recreational whiner to be able to "use" it under the current licensing agreement. Is that okay with you?
Hold on there, sir. Just because I've had Vista for 4-days now implies nothing, as you were obviously hoping it did. As I mentioned, I'm probably a lot older than you, and I've had a love affair with computers since I saw my first Star Trek episode in 1966. Figure the rest out for yourself, if you have enough brain power left between those bouts of misplaced moral outrage over things you'll NEVER be able to control.
Alright. As a person who simply had a neutral inquiry, you definitely are quite hostile in your recent post.
Lets start with the fact that you are throwing your age around. Your age has little to do with the fact that your rights are taken away. While you're sitting comfortably on your social security pension and your IRA withdrawals, I'm, in the mean time, working my behind off trying to make a living under an economy that could care less about me, a government that destroyed Social Security and has pushed back the retirement age for my generation. I'm working hard just so I can make a living. Harder than you ever had at my age. Don't make me bring up the fact that my generation competes with the rest of the world for jobs, competes with the rest of the world for education and competes with the rest of the world to just make an honest living. Gas prices super high, huge national debt left on our shoulders and a horrible world image. I'll be d*med if I buy something and told that I don't own it. If you aren't going to care, then someone else should.
I have nothing else to say.
i'm probably closer to your age Q than his, but even i know you are retarded if you think you have it harder these days.
edit: actually, i'm probably not. but you are still wrong.
Retarded?! Are you blind?!
Our generation grew up without any sense of entitlement. It is the older generation that had everything handed to them on a plate. They could get out of college, buy a house and support a family on the income they had. Even then, college wasn?t necessary: high school was fine enough to move along with in life. A ?good? student back then got a 3.0, whereas now, a HS diploma is looked at as a joke, and anything less than a near 4.0 is just plain sad.. They could add a car to that without a problem. They had great and cheap gas prices. Social Security was a massive safety net that they could rely on. America was viewed as a "Free" country. Even my Chinese teacher told me that when she was a kid, there was a rumor that "milk came out of the water fountains in America". They had it pretty damned well if you ask me.
They grew up in the generation where "if you graduate as an engineer, you are guaranteed a well paying job"... Now, if you can't at least get a 3.3, you are dropped from consideration from many jobs (yet I still notice old people spreading that lie ? woe to the engineer who thinks being an engineer means making a lot of money. They should go to economics or business. Working with money makes you money). A person even once had a recruiter come and tell them "I would have never been able to compete with the people today... I got out of college with a 2.0 in Chemical Engineering and easily got my well paying job to propel me to the level I am today. You guys have to be sooo much more competitive today."
Look at our generation today: Going to college today means nothing. If you can't convert your 4 years into something practical and useful, you are no better than someone with a high school degree. Wecan't afford a place coming out of college: even with a 50,000 dollar year income (which is above the starting salary for average engineers. It's pretty great for a lot of humanities or social science majors.) you can't afford to own any real place. ESPECIALLY in a place like Southern and Northern California. Take it to a 75,000 dollar starting college income (which is VERY good? Means we get to keep about 55k as our income) and its still not enough to own your own house. Even if you have a college educated spouse who also works. A combined income from two college graduates won't automatically imply anything great! WE have the ****** up gas prices, we have the ****** up foreign policy, the tarnished image abroad, debt in the trillions and a government (republican or democrat) that doesn't understand what WISE spending is. WE are left and stuck with everything WRONG with Social Security: remember, they keep pulling out SS funds to fund their bullshit only to leave enough to support their generation and screw us over with it! WE are stuck with rising health care costs and pills that cost hundreds of dollars (largely because it is the OLDER generation that has ****** up health, so we have to pay massively expensive premiums because of that!) WE are told how much of a ****** up and failed generation we are when the PARENTS THAT RAISED THIS GENERATION were the ones who did a ****** job raising their kids in front of a TV. They were the ones letting divorce rates sky rocket to 60% and getting high on a culture of drugs all day long.
So here we are: the older generation got the better of everything from World Image, to low house prices (well? Low prices in ANYTHING if you consider inflation!), to gas, to social security, to the lack of personal responsibility. Now they come and bitch at us when WE complain about their screw ups and how we worked 100 times harder than they ever did, so we should get a cut!
They need to know that our generation has to play by a much different set of rules: we live in a global world now and we have to compete with others on a much bigger stage -- where it is becoming exponentially more difficult to stand out. All this is part of globalization as many things begin to transcend to international boundaries. It isn't only one thing that I am critiquing. Tying our hands behind our back while we compete with 100 times more people than they ever did isn't going to help us! The older generation just had to consider playing with each other... We have to consider competing against the Indians, Chinese and any other group on a global scale. Forty, thirty, twenty, even FIFTEEN years ago I would have rather been the "average" student in middle America... Now, I would rather be the genius in Shanghai. I'll take being the Arab In SoCal too. Sometimes I wonder if I really will live forever in the USA and not somewhere else!
The older generation needs to shut their trap and stop making us think that we have a entitlement complex, because they ****** 90% of things that they will pass to us...including raising most of us! Their mentality will not help us at all as the world gets more competitive!
With all that SAID, I agree that people in our generation do think like that, but only because their parents also got it all.