Vista support AGP cards?

[EPZ Soldier]

I'm wondering if the 6800gs or the 7800gs agp cards support Vista and HDCP? i would also take it Vista will have directX 10 support so, I guess what i should be asking is if either the 6800/7800 agp cards support X10 .....let the bashing commence.

 

[MrChad]

Will they work with Vista? Probably.
Will they support HDCP? No.
Will they work with DirectX 10? Probably.
Will they support all of DirectX 10's new features? Probably not.

 

[MrChad]

Can you shorten your signature a bit as well?

 

[Nothinman]

Yea really, having a signature that's 6x as long as the content you posted doesn't really serve a purpose.

 

[EPZ Soldier]

ouchie.. i meant let the bashing commence on vista not me lol

 

[Nothinman]

Any bashing on Vista right now would just be speculation since it hasn't even hit RC stage yet. And personally, I don't care either way since I won't be running it =)

 

[EPZ Soldier]

yeah, so the whole "Glass" thing is just a bunch-o hype or just just eye candy

 

[Nothinman]

AFAIK it's optional eye candy.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: EPZ Soldier
yeah, so the whole "Glass" thing is just a bunch-o hype or just just eye candy

Its functional on equipment that supports it. Video quality approaches printed page on fonts. Color space expands significantly.

 

[imported_Kiwi]

Very interestingly, there is a section in Microsoft's description of Vista that plays up PCI-e (or better) as being needed, and AGP 8X as being inadequate, but then they refer the reader to pages at ATI's and nVidia's web sites where various VGA model numbers are named. At nVidia, they blithely include FX 5200's and the PCX's made from FX's as being Vista capable.

Across the aisle, in ATI country, the slowest VGA named is the Radeon 9500. (Or the 9550, perhaps, it might be the slowest Radeon 95xx). I really think that any 95xx is a lot faster that the FX 5200.

Hasn't everyone spotted the news story about HDCP? That it requires a separate decrypting chip on any VGA that will include that capability?


:disgust:

 

[JonnyBlaze]

i was running vista w/ glass on a radeon 9600. it wasnt impressivly fast but wasnt bad.

 

[narutofan36]

how did you get a copy of vista?

also, if you do have it, is it like a trial where it will expire soon?

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: narutofan36
how did you get a copy of vista?

also, if you do have it, is it like a trial where it will expire soon?

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[Seeruk]

I presume by 'support' you mean with Glass effects, yes they will, as does just about every ATI/Nvidia Gfx card released in the last 2 years.

For your reference I have a work box running it on a 6600LE

 

[gsellis]

Vista will need a DX10 card to support the full font rendering where fonts are basically rendered in realtime. Chances are, those will only be PCI-e cards. Considering the throughput on the glyph rendering (one of the last items below), you may need PCI-e for that kind of bandwidth.

From my notes in 2004

Text will be higher quality using HW accel. More typographic features are exposed ? ligatures, kerning, swash alternatives

Glyph rendering will be done at the subpixel level using knowledge of the RGB positions in the display.

Cleartype (current) is 17% better at word accuracy on speed reading.

Showed a demo of a text with a reflection that scaled much larger without aliasing.

DirectX 10 will cover the complete render of a font from composite/filter/blend/render in hw.

DirectX 9 will do blend/render

DirectX7 can only do the render

The reuse cache for DX10 is @ 2MB. DX7/9 require 5MB cache and more rendering.

DX9 will be 2to3x faster rendering. DX10 will be 10x faster (than current)

DX9 can do 125,000 glyphs/sec. DX10 is 1,000,000 glyphs/sec. Software render on a dual 2.2 Xeon is at 65,000 glyphs/sec

Text should be set to use 6 channels out from the pixel shaders.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Will they support HDCP? No.

From what I understand this is question is a NO for any computer not bought from dell or the likes. You build your own PC, you wont be able to do HDCP.

 

[EPZ Soldier]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: MrChad

Will they support HDCP? No.

From what I understand this is question is a NO for any computer not bought from dell or the likes. You build your own PC, you wont be able to do HDCP.

Are you serious! you know someting like this I could see happening cuz so many have come far enough to build there own machines the BIG boys are losing out! $$$

 

[DetroitSportsFan]

Very interestingly, there is a section in Microsoft's description of Vista that plays up PCI-e (or better) as being needed, and AGP 8X as being inadequate, but then they refer the reader to pages at ATI's and nVidia's web sites where various VGA model numbers are named. At nVidia, they blithely include FX 5200's and the PCX's made from FX's as being Vista capable.

Here's the scoop the way I understand it .... and yes, I've test driven a couple of the betas.

Vista will prefer high end hardware and will need a fast PCI-e card to turn on all the eye-candy in "Avalon" (DX10). However, its been designed to scale nicely on lower end hardware. The difference is the higher end hardware will use a lot more GPU based effects.

So, yes .... the AGP cards will work.

But

No, it won't be capable of utilizing all the visual effects.

 

[stash]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: MrChad

Will they support HDCP? No.

From what I understand this is question is a NO for any computer not bought from dell or the likes. You build your own PC, you wont be able to do HDCP.

I don't think that will be entirely true. Ars just posted an article that says ATI will be offering HDCP capable hardware once the spec is finalized (within a year).

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060214-6177.html

But yeah, the content providers are seriously going to f this up for the consumer. Needless to say, I won't be running out to buy any hardware for my media PC anytime soon. The situation is way to unsettled and rumors are flying everywhere. Nobody really knows what will happen at this point though.