Vista Ultimate upgrade worth 195?

[Rage187]

I'm running Vista home premium after using xp for 5+ years.

I really like it. All my games work, all my hardware has drivers. No reason not to upgrade.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099The only reason why i even bother to think about ultimate is because of the Dreamscene. Is there any chance someoen goign to try to get it working on other version of vista as well?

There's a chance, sure, but DS is keyed to Aero, so I'm guessing that Aero will be needed in any case.

 

[spherrod]

If you need any of Vista's features then it's well worth it. On suitable hardware it's a great OS. Otherwise, stick to XP until either you build a new machine which Vista will use better or you need one of it's features.

Having been very sceptical I'm now sold on Media Center

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: RalphTheCow

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
O and I build my own pc so unless i buy the oem, there is no other way for me to get vista cheap.

So why not buy OEM? I bought Home Basic OEM for $92 and I'm quite happy with it.

Home basic shouldn't even be called Vista. It has no backup software, no movie maker, no aero...

It's just XP with better security.

 

[Wolfshanze]

I bought WinVista Home Premium just to have it... I happened to be buying a CPU and got Vista Home Premium for $99 bucks with the CPU.

Initial releases of OS's tend to be buggy and have problems you can't/don't forsee until they get squashed at a later date. I have three desktop systems in my house and had no intention of putting Vista on any of them for that reason. Yet... I know, in-time, MS will FORCE Vista down our throats whether we like it or not, so I bought it cheap while I could.

My wife asked me to put Vista on her machine, she wanted to use the new OS... I asked her what she needed it for, she didn't really answer, but (you know how it is with spouses), I caved-in and put it on her system after warning her things may not run as she's been used-to on XP.

After several of her favorite programs wouldn't install/work on Vista, I noticed my wife spending a lot of time working on our 3rd computer in the house which runs WinXP. She now spends more time on the 3rd computer then her own, because Vista has given her several headaches with incompatibility and a few other issues.

I'm not Anti-Vista... I know we'll all use it eventually... but really folks, don't upgrade for the only purpose of saying "I've upgraded"... do it because you need to, not because you can.

For me and my computer, I'm waiting till either of these situations occurs...
1) The bugs get worked out (like a Service Pack or two gets released)
2) I'm "forced" to upgrade by the needs of software/games/etc.

I wasn't the first to get on XP... I actually waited till SP1 came out before I bothered, but am now happy with a stable, reliable OS with good drivers... most of Vista's drivers are little more then beta, with the accompanying problems.

Remember this folks before you 'upgrade'. Vista will become the norm at some point in time, but don't buy the hype that everyone needs to upgrade today... ask yourself what you'll really benefit from with Vista before jumping on the bandwagon... my guess is there's little advantage to the average user, and more problems with upgrading then if you just stuck with an established stable OS like XP.

 

[TwYsTeD]

Im still running on XP though I did buy the full retail version of vista ultimate when it was 60% off at closing CUSA stores. I'll use it when my SLi works and creative actually releases a good driver for my x-fi plat.

 

[Canterwood]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: RalphTheCow

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
O and I build my own pc so unless i buy the oem, there is no other way for me to get vista cheap.

So why not buy OEM? I bought Home Basic OEM for $92 and I'm quite happy with it.

Home basic shouldn't even be called Vista. It has no backup software, no movie maker, no aero...

It's just XP with better security.

And thats a bad thing?

 

[Mem]

I don't why people are saying wait for SP1,the fact is Vista is very stable you just have to ask the many Vista owners to find that out,SP1 should be around Sept/Oct (unconfirmed).

Personally I feel Home Premium is the best value unless you need the extra features of the Ultimate edition,anyway the fact is Vista is superior to XP,yes XP users will say otherwise but they can't hide from the truth forever.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Originally posted by: TwYsTeD
Im still running on XP though I did buy the full retail version of vista ultimate when it was 60% off at closing CUSA stores. I'll use it when my SLi works and creative actually releases a good driver for my x-fi plat.

If you're waiting on creative then that means that you'll never install it. Actually word in the creative forums is that the software is due sometime in July. By then I'll have replaced my x-fi with a x-meridian or claro+. Creative sucks.

 

[Wolfshanze]

Originally posted by: Mem
I don't why people are saying wait for SP1,the fact is Vista is very stable you just have to ask the many Vista owners to find that out,SP1 should be around Sept/Oct (unconfirmed)... anyway the fact is Vista is superior to XP,yes XP users will say otherwise but they can't hide from the truth forever.

Explain to my wife why she can't run a lot of the things in Vista that she used to run just fine in XP?

Fact of the matter is, with any OS change, not everything is all candy, dumplings and roses, despite what some "upgrade simply because I can" folks say.

I've had friends running Vista, my wife runs Vista, and there's three things I've noticed compared to running WinXP.

1) You can't run as many programs in Vista as you can in XP (many are unstable or won't run)

2) Vista does crash, and more-so then a fully-updated XP system.

3) It's damn-picky as to what hardware it will run with.

Let's be honest here... aside from DX10 support for games that don't exist yet (DX10 games), there's NOTHING Vista does that can't be done in XP... well, except maybe Vista can frustrate you more by not running as many programs or hardware, and/or it can make you spend more money, both on itself and buying newer versions of the same programs you already have so it will run on Vista.

Will we all be running Vista in-time? Sure... we all will... that's the nature of things.

Will Vista become more stable and more flexible with better drivers and future updates? Of Course...

Truth be told, upgrading to Vista today has no real benefit, other then being some sort of ego boost to folks who HAVE to have the latest gadget/software regardless of wether or not it works as well as the last version you had.

Let everyone else beta-test it for you and make it more stable with mature drivers and patches... Vista will be better in time... but right now, it's just not needed by anybody at the moment.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Wolfshanze

Originally posted by: Mem
I don't why people are saying wait for SP1,the fact is Vista is very stable you just have to ask the many Vista owners to find that out,SP1 should be around Sept/Oct (unconfirmed)... anyway the fact is Vista is superior to XP,yes XP users will say otherwise but they can't hide from the truth forever.

Explain to my wife why she can't run a lot of the things in Vista that she used to run just fine in XP?

Fact of the matter is, with any OS change, not everything is all candy, dumplings and roses, despite what some "upgrade simply because I can" folks say.

I've had friends running Vista, my wife runs Vista, and there's three things I've noticed compared to running WinXP.

1) You can't run as many programs in Vista as you can in XP (many are unstable or won't run)

2) Vista does crash, and more-so then a fully-updated XP system.

3) It's damn-picky as to what hardware it will run with.

Let's be honest here... aside from DX10 support for games that don't exist yet (DX10 games), there's NOTHING Vista does that can't be done in XP... well, except maybe Vista can frustrate you more by not running as many programs or hardware, and/or it can make you spend more money, both on itself and buying newer versions of the same programs you already have so it will run on Vista.

Will we all be running Vista in-time? Sure... we all will... that's the nature of things.

Will Vista become more stable and more flexible with better drivers and future updates? Of Course...

Truth be told, upgrading to Vista today has no real benefit, other then being some sort of ego boost to folks who HAVE to have the latest gadget/software regardless of wether or not it works as well as the last version you had.

Let everyone else beta-test it for you and make it more stable with mature drivers and patches... Vista will be better in time... but right now, it's just not needed by anybody at the moment.

Here we go again,I'm not going to argue with the 1% of users that have problems with Vista ,just like there are 1% of people that have problems with XP and other operating systems,no OS is perfect .
Vista is a better OS then XP,sooner XP is phased out the better,I won't even bother posting all the superior benefits since they have been posted many times.

 

[Jaxidian]

I say that if you expect that you will buy it at some point in the future, might as well jump in on a good deal if you can afford it now. No matter what you're slapping down about that amount for the OS license so you can do it in 2 years and be able to use it from then on or do it now and get 2 more years of use out of your license. Up to you!

As for me, I paid $250 for Ultimate Retail and then another $100 for 2 Home Premiums and couldn't be happier. I also have a Home Premium OEM (one of the Dell things) for my laptop so I have a total of 4 licenses. My other several PCs are running XP and one running WHS beta.

Things that are important to me in Vista are:
- Ultimate Backup
- Performance under virtualization
- Speedy loading of apps that I use frequently
- AES encryption for ad hoc networks
- Improved security
- Keeping up on "the latest and greatest" (I'm a software consultant)

For me it was a no-brainer to get 3 licenses for $350.

 

[Josh05]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Well, oem will tie the os to one machine. I would assume vista will last more than just a few yearsand i won't want to buy the os again when i rebuild my pc. Not to mention.. i don't think I will want vista basic.

So IF I buy Vista Ultimate from newegg and I upgrade my motherboard in 6 months I have to buy another copy of Vista Ultimate?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: sweetpea70512
Brand new Toshiba laptop and the damn Microsoft site says it fails validation and won't let me download the update.

Microsoft is really pissing me off now.

Just phone them,soon be fixed with one call to Microsoft,I had to get my legal copy of Vista reactivated after 8 weeks(they said it was a known problem ,however they gave me a new key and all sorted).

Originally posted by: Mem
Here we go again,I'm not going to argue with the 1% of users that have problems with Vista ,just like there are 1% of people that have problems with XP and other operating systems,no OS is perfect .

Vista is a better OS then XP,sooner XP is phased out the better,I won't even bother posting all the superior benefits since they have been posted many times.

(they said it was a known problem

A known problem yet somehow miraculously only 1%

Be real.

You get paid extra for talking out the side of your mouth?

 

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
What is the chances that microsoft is going to lower the price of vista?

Quite low. The prices of Windows 98 and XP have remained, basically, the same since their release.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Vista upgrade worth 195?

It is definitely worth it if it is free.

For anyone in school right now (if you have not already heard about it), check to see if your school is a member of the MSDNAA. About 24 hours after applying, the school's admin set me up an account and I received a license for Vista and Office for free (they let you download the ISOs and burn them to a disk and email you your license keys).

Unfortunately, I cannot use Vista on my desktop (due to poor 3d performance because nvidia is ignoring their customers with nforce3 and before chipsets). So, my laptop got an upgrade (thank you Intel for supporting your legacy products).

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: sweetpea70512
Brand new Toshiba laptop and the damn Microsoft site says it fails validation and won't let me download the update.

Microsoft is really pissing me off now.

Just phone them,soon be fixed with one call to Microsoft,I had to get my legal copy of Vista reactivated after 8 weeks(they said it was a known problem ,however they gave me a new key and all sorted).

Originally posted by: Mem
Here we go again,I'm not going to argue with the 1% of users that have problems with Vista ,just like there are 1% of people that have problems with XP and other operating systems,no OS is perfect .

Vista is a better OS then XP,sooner XP is phased out the better,I won't even bother posting all the superior benefits since they have been posted many times.

(they said it was a known problem

A known problem yet somehow miraculously only 1%

Be real.

You get paid extra for talking out the side of your mouth?

You get paid for being the rudeness member in these forums?..They said it was a known problem but does not effect every Vista user/OS.

You seem to like arguing and making flaming comments.

 

[heymrdj]

I like Vista cause I'm not booting the operating system a 1,000 hotfixes and patches at startup. Face it people, XP is a broken piece of crap. I went from XP home to XP Pro and now to Vista Ultimate. I'd never go back. OP, if you want the features of Vista Home Premium and Vista Business rolled into one sweet package, grab the ultimate for the 195. But if you don't need the Business features (like I did so I can hook up to huge networks and that sort of thing at jobsites) then stay where you are (or get Home Premium if you want and don't have it).



EDIT: Just noticed this thread is old lol.

 

[gizbug]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
If you are going to get vista sooner or ater, and you got a chance to buy the brand new vista upgrade disk retail for 195 plus tax, would you do it?

No way. Complete waste of money. Ultimate is just a lot of bloat. Stick with home premium.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: gizbug

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
If you are going to get vista sooner or ater, and you got a chance to buy the brand new vista upgrade disk retail for 195 plus tax, would you do it?

No way. Complete waste of money. Ultimate is just a lot of bloat. Stick with home premium.

I wouldn't say it's a waste of money, it really depends on what your needs are. It would be a waste of money for me(I have Business), but for someone that needs all of the features of Business and Home, it would be perfect.

 

[Modelworks]

I don't see an advantage of ultimate over just the basic vista.
Just lots of bloatware.

I really tried to like vista.
I ran it through a torture test yesterday and came away disappointed and am staying with xp.

What I ran it through was a test to render 3d graphics (professional not gaming) with as many polys as I could before the memory/cpu bogged down. I was able to get to about 3.5million polys in one scene before vista just choked, crashed and couldn't render.

The same test on XP I was able to get 5.2 million polys and the scene was still workable, rendered and OS didn't crash.

Vista seems ok for average daily task, but there is no way its ready for the workstation.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: elcamino74ss
Obviously Vista is not some critical deal as most corporations don't even have Vista on the roadmap till 2008/2009.

Since when do corporate desktop choices intersect with home user options? You're grasping at straws.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: heymrdj
I like Vista cause I'm not booting the operating system a 1,000 hotfixes and patches at startup. Face it people, XP is a broken piece of crap. I went from XP home to XP Pro and now to Vista Ultimate. I'd never go back. OP, if you want the features of Vista Home Premium and Vista Business rolled into one sweet package, grab the ultimate for the 195. But if you don't need the Business features (like I did so I can hook up to huge networks and that sort of thing at jobsites) then stay where you are (or get Home Premium if you want and don't have it).



EDIT: Just noticed this thread is old lol.

You're (apparently not) aware that XP's "1000 hotfixes and patches" are simply replacement DLLs (ie upgrades to already-existing DLLs already on SP0/gold releases of XP)?

That's a silly objection.

If you mean you don't like loading all those hotfixes when you image a new XP machine, integrate the hotfixes into your install source.

 

[hans007]

I think vista is pretty easy to get cheap right now.

vista RETAIL full home basic is only $90 or so on ebay. $195 is a good deal, but you really need to ask yourself if you need ultimate as for a home user i think it really doesnt add much over premium , since it seems to just add all the business stuff that you probably dont need at home.

 

[nerp]

I hope people who scoff that Vista is "bloated" aren't using these programs:

Norton anything
Zonealarm
anything Real
anything Nero
Acrobat
iTunes

etc.