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[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: kamper

Originally posted by: bsobel
The content is encrypted at every point all the way until the display renders it, meaning there isn't yet a way to tap that stream and pirate the content.

You don't seriously think it's going to stay that way do you? All it takes is for a few people to bypass it and distribute the content.

with the way it works its going to be very difficult to break.

from what iv read, every licensed video card, monitor etc... will have its own key. if one of those keys is leaked and used in a hack the key can be blacklisted.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze

Originally posted by: kamper

Originally posted by: bsobel
The content is encrypted at every point all the way until the display renders it, meaning there isn't yet a way to tap that stream and pirate the content.

You don't seriously think it's going to stay that way do you? All it takes is for a few people to bypass it and distribute the content.

with the way it works its going to be very difficult to break.

from what iv read, every licensed video card, monitor etc... will have its own key. if one of those keys is leaked and used in a hack the key can be blacklisted.

But with so many keys out there, the possibility of the generator being made increases. Also, leaks are bound to happen within the companies themselves.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze

Originally posted by: kamper

Originally posted by: bsobel
The content is encrypted at every point all the way until the display renders it, meaning there isn't yet a way to tap that stream and pirate the content.

You don't seriously think it's going to stay that way do you? All it takes is for a few people to bypass it and distribute the content.

with the way it works its going to be very difficult to break.

from what iv read, every licensed video card, monitor etc... will have its own key. if one of those keys is leaked and used in a hack the key can be blacklisted.

But with so many keys out there, the possibility of the generator being made increases. Also, leaks are bound to happen within the companies themselves.

There was an article I found from avsforum that mentioned you could use a fairly simple equation to solve for a devices "secret key". If you can get 40 of those "secret keys", you can decipher the 40x40 key table and generate new, legit valid keys (public, private AND secret) and authorize, well, pretty much anything.

 

[doornail]

The funny thing is, nothing will stop a pirate from using reduced quality -- which is exactly what they are going to use anyway. No one is going to download full 1080p resolution videos. Remember, these are the same folks who sneak a camcorder into a theater and make DVD's from it.

It's all about locking consumers in and locking competitors out. What really sticks in my craw is we have to pay extra to have our devices crippled by these elaborate control schemes. Why the hell do you need decryption chips in a monitor? Who is the threat between your video card and your screen?

You are. You dirty lousy pirate consumers. So pony up for more chips and more locks to keep you from that stuff you bought. Err, *thought* you bought.

I am thoroughly disgusted with both HD-DVD and Blu Ray. Both formats carry so much crap that has nothing to with video or sound. With all the cross licensing and royalties, I bet they'll never be able to touch the price of a "simple" DVD. They are setting themselves up to be another LaserDisc. If the Chinese (as is rumored) roll out a format without the hassels, I'm buying it.

DRM amputates value while jacking up cost.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: doornail
The funny thing is, nothing will stop a pirate from using reduced quality -- which is exactly what they are going to use anyway. No one is going to download full 1080p resolution videos. Remember, these are the same folks who sneak a camcorder into a theater and make DVD's from it.

It's all about locking consumers in and locking competitors out. What really sticks in my craw is we have to pay extra to have our devices crippled by these elaborate control schemes. Why the hell do you need decryption chips in a monitor? Who is the threat between your video card and your screen?

You are. You dirty lousy pirate consumers. So pony up for more chips and more locks to keep you from that stuff you bought. Err, *thought* you bought.

I am thoroughly disgusted with both HD-DVD and Blu Ray. Both formats carry so much crap that has nothing to with video or sound. With all the cross licensing and royalties, I bet they'll never be able to touch the price of a "simple" DVD. They are setting themselves up to be another LaserDisc. If the Chinese (as is rumored) roll out a format without the hassels, I'm buying it.

DRM amputates value while jacking up cost.

Great post... :thumbsup:

 

[bsobel]

But with so many keys out there, the possibility of the generator being made increases.

You clearly do not understand the key system.

Also, leaks are bound to happen within the companies themselves.

More possible.

Bill

 

[Link19]

The most stable were Windows98SE and Windows XP SP2, which of course is indicative of the extensive patching.

Windows 98SE and Windows XP don't belong in the same sentence when it comes to stability. Windows XP SP2 was light years ahead of Windows 98SE in everything. So were previous Windows XP versions and all versions of Windows 2000, which were also light years ahead of Windows 98SE. Even Windows NT 4 was much better than Windows 98SE.

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: Link19

The most stable were Windows98SE and Windows XP SP2, which of course is indicative of the extensive patching.

Windows 98SE and Windows XP don't belong in the same sentence when it comes to stability. Windows XP SP2 was light years ahead of Windows 98SE in everything. So were previous Windows XP versions and all versions of Windows 2000, which were also light years ahead of Windows 98SE. Even Windows NT 4 was much better than Windows 98SE.

I agree.

Windows 9x managed memory like a game of Jenga

 

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: doornail
I am thoroughly disgusted with both HD-DVD and Blu Ray. Both formats carry so much crap that has nothing to with video or sound. With all the cross licensing and royalties, I bet they'll never be able to touch the price of a "simple" DVD. They are setting themselves up to be another LaserDisc. If the Chinese (as is rumored) roll out a format without the hassels, I'm buying it.

Personally, I"m simply not going to buy any HD-DVD or Blu-Ray programming. I'll live without it. That's the only way that the media companies will get the message.

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: RebateMonger

Originally posted by: doornail
I am thoroughly disgusted with both HD-DVD and Blu Ray. Both formats carry so much crap that has nothing to with video or sound. With all the cross licensing and royalties, I bet they'll never be able to touch the price of a "simple" DVD. They are setting themselves up to be another LaserDisc. If the Chinese (as is rumored) roll out a format without the hassels, I'm buying it.

Personally, I"m simply not going to buy any HD-DVD or Blu-Ray programming. I'll live without it. That's the only way that the media companies will get the message.

Same here, I'm in no hurry to buy a bunch of new stuff.

 

[bsobel]

I agree. Windows 9x managed memory like a game of Jenga

Please don't feed the troll. Sure, very few people will aruge with a straight face that XP isn't signifigantly more stable than the 9x line. However, having one local user constantly jump into threads that aren't about that (to the point that its becoming expected) to point out the obvious is just neffing/trolling.

 

[spyordie007]

I wouldnt say it's to the troll stage yet; just passionate

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: spyordie007
I wouldnt say it's to the troll stage yet; just passionate

Search his posts

 

[Link19]

Originally posted by: spyordie007
I wouldnt say it's to the troll stage yet; just passionate

It isn't any troll stage. The OP specifically mentioned Windows 98 and Windows XP in the same sentence when regards to stability and I didn't want to see that. If the OP didn't mention Windows 98 being close to as good as Windows XP, I wouldn't have said anything. So this thread did have a small piece about that topic, even though it wasn't in the topic title.

 

[bsobel]

If the OP didn't mention Windows 98 being close to as good as Windows XP, I wouldn't have said anything.

He never said that, you just look for opportunities to nef. No one in this thread is disagreeing with you, but like many of your recent posts, it adds ZERO value to the thread.

Maybe you should try re-reading the post and the question that was actually asked, if you have something relevant to add to that discussion, feel free to post again.

 

[stash]

The OP specifically mentioned Windows 98 and Windows XP in the same sentence when regards to stability and I didn't want to see that

I for one, am way beyond the point of caring what you want to see. If you don't want to see something, stop reading. We don't need to see your endless railing on Windows 9x. We freaking get it already.

If AT needed a mod whose sole job it was to crap on threads where the dreaded 9x was mentioned, they probably would've had one already.

/rant

 

[couppi]

Originally posted by: doornail
The funny thing is, nothing will stop a pirate from using reduced quality -- which is exactly what they are going to use anyway. No one is going to download full 1080p resolution videos. Remember, these are the same folks who sneak a camcorder into a theater and make DVD's from it.

It's all about locking consumers in and locking competitors out. What really sticks in my craw is we have to pay extra to have our devices crippled by these elaborate control schemes. Why the hell do you need decryption chips in a monitor? Who is the threat between your video card and your screen?

You are. You dirty lousy pirate consumers. So pony up for more chips and more locks to keep you from that stuff you bought. Err, *thought* you bought.

I am thoroughly disgusted with both HD-DVD and Blu Ray. Both formats carry so much crap that has nothing to with video or sound. With all the cross licensing and royalties, I bet they'll never be able to touch the price of a "simple" DVD. They are setting themselves up to be another LaserDisc. If the Chinese (as is rumored) roll out a format without the hassels, I'm buying it.

DRM amputates value while jacking up cost.

Really... What does the video card do, if the stream is decrypted in the monitor? DRM makes no sense. People actually need the crack to be able to use this stuff. I'm not going to pay $300 for a new video card and $600 for a new monitor just to see a movie I bought.

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: couppi
Really... What does the video card do, if the stream is decrypted in the monitor? DRM makes no sense. People actually need the crack to be able to use this stuff. I'm not going to pay $300 for a new video card and $600 for a new monitor just to see a movie I bought.

I agree; dont buy the movie.

 

[gplracer]

Microsoft has decided to support this stuff and it is going to affect the sales of Vista. It has been said that the movie people are pushing this stuff. Well Microsoft could say too bad. This is our operating system and this is what we are going to do. They have decided to support the wishes of the movie companies instead of the public. Heck a while back they were sued to integrating IE into Windows. That did not stop them from doing it. Eventually it all went away. The issue is that Microsoft wants to converge computers and television. To do that they must support what the movie companies want. Convergence would not happen if the new HD discs could not be played on the computer but only in free standing HD players. The best thing is just to not buy it. Wait till all of the owners who have HD televisions bought in the last three years without DVI realize they can not get a HD player to work on their television. Lots of people are unaware of this issue.

 

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: gplracer
The best thing is just to not buy it. Wait till all of the owners who have HD televisions bought in the last three years without DVI realize they can not get a HD player to work on their television. Lots of people are unaware of this issue.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with HDCP. Especially the Blu-Ray stuff, which has incredibly complex copy protection links.

Circuit City's DIVX had many of the same features as Blu-Ray, including the modem links to the Mothership. It failed miserably.

Since it's doubtful that combined HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players will be common, most folks will probably wait to buy a player until one format prevails. If you combine that with concerns about the copy-protection scheme, then it's probable that mass sales of programming on either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray won't happen for several years. If ever. Except, of course, for proprietary stuff, like Console games.

At this time, I'm betting on HD-DVD as the eventual winner, because of its less-messy protection scheme and because it's likely to win the battle for PC domination. I think Sony's looking at another BetaMax with their Blu-Ray scheme.