Vista's slowness cost users $81 bilion

[BubbaBooBoo]

Im just copying the first paragrahp from Articel:

This just-released report clearly shows that the total value of the productivity hours completely wasted due to installing and booting up Vista by its worldwide users equal upwards of $81 billion to date.

I thougth Vista was slow but to cost $81 billion in lost prodectivety is a lot!


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[RoloMather]

Yea, and alcohol cost how much in lost productivity? Lets blame the alcohol manufacturers.

No one even forced these people to use Vista.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

vistas long install? it installs twice as fast as xp

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: BubbaBooBoo
Im just copying the first paragrahp from Articel:

This just-released report clearly shows that the total value of the productivity hours completely wasted due to installing and booting up Vista by its worldwide users equal upwards of $81 billion to date.

I thougth Vista was slow but to cost $81 billion in lost prodectivety is a lot!

Try not to believe anything you read on the internet, mkay. For a good laugh go to the second part of the article where he defends his math.

 

[BD2003]

People need to learn to use sleep mode. Uses just as little power and turning it off. Shutting down and booting is so 20th century.

 

[BubbaBooBoo]

I always reboot sicne it clears up the RAM utilezation. Vista was supposedto be more dynamic in memory use, but I dont see that on my memory utility.

 

[postmortemIA]

People learned to not use Vista.

I was working on my buddy's PC over the weekend, he reinstalled Vista this week and it takes about 3 minutes to shutdown. He has a typical laptop with 5400rpm drive.

Looks like it works well on my PC only because I have two raptors in a RAID

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: BubbaBooBoo
I always reboot sicne it clears up the RAM utilezation. Vista was supposedto be more dynamic in memory use, but I dont see that on my memory utility.

I'm over 16 days of uptime with my Vista64 rig, and it's running grand. I last rebooted due to an update.

 

[VinDSL]

Sometimes, at work, I feel like installing a different OS, so I could be more productive... but I know it would set off all the bells n' whistles in IT. So, I continue to use the sanctioned XP OS that comes on our machines.

Gawd, how I hate Citrix under XP! It's... sooo productive... not!

In these "uncertain times" they recently dumped Lotus Notes at my workplace, because it cost money, in favor of Outlook 2003. OMG!!! More lost productivity... even though they saved 10's of 1000's in real live cash!

LoL! Speaking of money, do you know how much money 'we' could save by printing hard copy on both sides of the sheet? I don't, but I'll bet it would eclipse lost productivity (whatever that means) by billions!

Not to mention removing those automatic flushing devices in the restrooms... think of all the polar bears we would rescue by saving that which others throw away. Um...and polar bears are worth what??? Another intangible...

I dunno, this whole lost productivity thing seems like a vapid argument...

Going to the casino and not hitting the 777 Jackpot every time you pull the lever. Hell, gamblers have lost trillions in productivity, if you wanna look at it that way, you know?

How about pro golfers??? The winner gets (let's say) a million bucks - the losers get zip! There's got to be 100 million dollars in lost productivity in ever pro golf event, at a bare minimum!

EDIT: I was just thinking...

Here's an odd one for you!

I recently installed Ubuntu 9.04 on my P4EE machine. It boots hideously fast - probably 20-25 seconds - dittos for shutdown; unbelievably fast.

The same applies to FreeBSD 7.2 (Gnome) to a lesser degree, but it still runs circles around Windows XP/Vista/7 in 'productivity'. It's free and indestructible!

The thing is - and I *think* it's a Gnome thing - they've added a 60 second timer to the shutdown sequence, e.g. if you don't click through it, shutdown is delayed by 60 seconds.

What's THAT all about??? Free choice, maybe...

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
LoL! Speaking of money, do you know how much money 'we' could save by printing hard copy on both sides of the sheet? I don't, but I'll bet it would eclipse lost productivity (whatever that means) by billions!

Enough to make the company I work for rip out every network HP Laserjet 4 compatible printer and every local injet printer and every copy machine and every fax machine and install 40 or 50 Xerox all-in-one units.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
People learned to not use Vista.

I was working on my buddy's PC over the weekend, he reinstalled Vista this week and it takes about 3 minutes to shutdown. He has a typical laptop with 5400rpm drive.

Looks like it works well on my PC only because I have two raptors in a RAID

I have a typical Dell laptop and Vista homebuilt PC,both shutdown within 15/20 secs,nothing special harddrive wise.


Quite sad how much FUD is still spread even now about Vista,I wonder how many productive hours and cost are lost due to workers taking unofficial tea breaks or leaving early,how about workers that are ill with flu or bad cold that spread their illness at work?...I could make a bigger list but you see my point.

 

[j0j081]

what a load of crap.

 

[Bateluer]

Total BS.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
vistas long install? it installs twice as fast as xp

Yeah wtf is that about? It hasnt been since Win98 that I had an install go this quick.

 

[Genx87]

btw this is a horribad article.

 

[Scotteq]

What was the old dictum about a million monkeys pounding on keyboards?? Apparently, one of the aforementioned simians has made his presence known...

 

[Nothinman]

I thougth Vista was slow but to cost $81 billion in lost prodectivety is a lot!

That's retarded. People cost companies more in lost productivity than any piece of software ever will..

I always reboot sicne it clears up the RAM utilezation. Vista was supposedto be more dynamic in memory use, but I dont see that on my memory utility.

Then either your memory utility is wrong or you're reading it's output incorrectly.

Gawd, how I hate Citrix under XP! It's... sooo productive... not!

Actually Citrix or TS is awesome when done correctly.

In these "uncertain times" they recently dumped Lotus Notes at my workplace, because it cost money, in favor of Outlook 2003. OMG!!! More lost productivity... even though they saved 10's of 1000's in real live cash!

But it's probably a better plan in the long-term because Outlook is what just about everyone uses so overall support should go down after the initial learning curve.

Going to the casino and not hitting the 777 Jackpot every time you pull the lever. Hell, gamblers have lost trillions in productivity, if you wanna look at it that way, you know?

How about pro golfers??? The winner gets (let's say) a million bucks - the losers get zip! There's got to be 100 million dollars in lost productivity in ever pro golf event, at a bare minimum!

If you're at a casino or out golfing chances are you're on your own time and not trying to be productive so you're not costing anyone but yourself anything. Again your logic eludes me.

 

[BubbaBooBoo]

Originally posted by: bsobel

For a good laugh go to the second part of the article where he defends his math.

Im no math whiz but where is the math wrong? Looks rite to me, but maybe im missing something.

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
People learned to not use Vista.

I was working on my buddy's PC over the weekend, he reinstalled Vista this week and it takes about 3 minutes to shutdown. He has a typical laptop with 5400rpm drive.

Looks like it works well on my PC only because I have two raptors in a RAID

Ya, Vista is grate if you have a lot of horsepower. I can tell the diff between my old C2Q and now with my i7 hugetime. I know lots of guys who run it on weak computers and just hate it.

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Then either your memory utility is wrong or you're reading it's output incorrectly.

All CPU Meter V 1.0 By Addgadget.com. And I know Im no Einstine but you figure you should gimme some credit for reading a bar chart. That RAM utalizetion goes up and up and up with every app I launch and even if ive shut down every app it stays high until reboot.

 

[Nothinman]

All CPU Meter V 1.0 By Addgadget.com. And I know Im no Einstine but you figure you should gimme some credit for reading a bar chart. That RAM utalizetion goes up and up and up with every app I launch and even if ive shut down every app it stays high until reboot.

And? Caching things in memory is a good thing, rebooting to wipe that out defeats one of the main reasons that you have all of that memory.

 

[BubbaBooBoo]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

And? Caching things in memory is a good thing, rebooting to wipe that out defeats one of the main reasons that you have all of that memory.

Althouhg i havent gotten that far with my new system when i had a C2Q on that same gagdet I had 3GB RAM on Vista 32 and as soon as the RAM usage metre got to 70% the whole damn computer woudl noticably slow down. Thats hapened to me with every singel computer ive ever had. i dunno if you and i read the same books on computers!

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
If you're at a casino or out golfing chances are you're on your own time and not trying to be productive so you're not costing anyone but yourself anything. Again your logic eludes me.

Heh! Sorry...

I'm at St. Pete Beach in Florida right now, on a business trip. Actually, I'm supposed to be in a workshop, but I'm not feeling productive right now! Let's just say, I'm having a Vista moment... LoL!

It's raining (excuse me - "misting" in the local vernacular) like a mofo - my umbrella is 3000 miles away - and I don't feel like getting soaked to the bone again, running between buildings.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective. The locals are ecstatic that it's raining, even though it's counter-productive (from my point of view). They've been experiencing extreme drought conditions here, or so they say. Looks pretty ^%$! wet to me!

Anyway, I suppose I had golfing and casinos on my mind last night, and somehow they corrupted my usual impeccable logic.

As I was falling asleep in a strange bed (next to an even stranger alarm clock on the night stand) I was thinking about what an odd 'sport' golfing is - where the least productive person wins - the one that does the least work - takes the fewest swings, e.g. has the lowest score.

Maybe that's what I like about Vista - there is no expectation of performance, so ppl don't see it - even though it's there. The perception is... Vista is slow - so it is written - so it is done! But, like Billzebub said, don't believe everything you read on the web!

Okay, Linux Mint says my lappy is charged. I think I'll make a run for it...

Er...

BTW, I know my thoughts and actions bother some ppl, but I have a 138 IQ, so don't think too poorly of me. I'm usually the most loved and most hated person (all at the same time) on any forum I'm on. I'm NOT trolling here - just being honest with ppl, stating my views openly, and to the best of my ability (given the context). I bite my tongue a LOT here - believe it or not!

 

[Nothinman]

Althouhg i havent gotten that far with my new system when i had a C2Q on that same gagdet I had 3GB RAM on Vista 32 and as soon as the RAM usage metre got to 70% the whole damn computer woudl noticably slow down. Thats hapened to me with every singel computer ive ever had. i dunno if you and i read the same books on computers!

I've only read a few computer books outside of the crappy school books I had but one of them explained the theory of virtual memory management in general and the implementation in Linux specifically and IME it's dead on even with Windows. If a reboot fixes your issues then you're using the proverbial hammer to fix the symptoms and not the problem itself.

I'm at St. Pete Beach in Florida right now, on a business trip. Actually, I'm supposed to be in a workshop, but I'm not feeling productive right now! Let's just say, I'm having a Vista moment... LoL!

Again, your comparison isn't even close. Even if we give into the fact that Vista is slower and costs you productivity it would be more like you daydreaming while trying to get work done, not completely saying "F'it, I'm gonna golf instead". For something like that Vista would have to keep popping up Solitaire while you're trying to work.

As I was falling asleep in a strange bed (next to an even stranger alarm clock on the night stand) I was thinking about what an odd 'sport' golfing is - where the least productive person wins - the one that does the least work - takes the fewest swings, e.g. has the lowest score. Maybe that's what I like about Vista - there is no expectation of performance, so ppl don't see it - even though it's there. There perception is, Vista is slow - so it is written - so it is done!

No, the most effecient person wins. Everyone goes the same distance but the person who does it in the least amount of strokes wins. People only expect Vista to be slow because people like you keep saying it is even when it shouldn't be the case. There are a lot of variables involved, making any sort of blanket statement like that is just dumb.

BTW, I know my thoughts and actions bother some ppl, but I have a 138 IQ, so don't think too poorly of me.

But if I post that I've got a 139 IQ does that give me the right to look down on you since I'm obviously a little bit smarter? I mean, those numbers are absolutely correct all of the time, right?

 

[Griffinhart]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: BubbaBooBoo
I always reboot sicne it clears up the RAM utilezation. Vista was supposedto be more dynamic in memory use, but I dont see that on my memory utility.

I'm over 16 days of uptime with my Vista64 rig, and it's running grand. I last rebooted due to an update.

A quick look at my various Vista PCs...

My Work Desktop last rebooted May 6 (today is May 18) - Vista 32 - I patched.
My Norton Ghost Console PC was last rebooted Feb 2nd - Vista 32
My Home Media Center PC was last rebooted April 28th - Vista 64 - for a patch.

My primary home desktop is currently running Win7, but Under Vista reboots were similar to my other machines. I have been using sleep mode rather than rebooting.

I can't believe someone would write an article like this. Even more so, he never does a comparison for XP installs.

 

[BubbaBooBoo]

Well, my IQ may not be 138, more like 38, but ive been using memory moniters since Win98se. Ive always found exactly the same thing. Reboot cleans everthing up nice and the PC (execpt my current one) runs faster. Even timed it on sereval ocasions. Noticable diference.

 

[Genx87]

I'd like to see him prove Vista installs slower than windows 2000 and its inability to do a quick format. Lets put both on a 1TB drive and give Win2000 SP4 so it can actually format an entire volume above 127GB.

Call me in a week when it finally finishes lol