"Vitamins = expensive urine" not true?

[pmv]

Doesn't it depend which vitamin? They aren't all water-soluble, so some may not add any value at all to your urine!

Anyway, I reckon Vitamin D is the only one that might be worth taking as a supplement, if you are at a high latitude, especially if you have darker skin.

My impression is there's a bit of expert disagreement about whether the bigger problem is too much sun causing skin cancer or too little causing Vitamin D deficiency.

 

[pmv]

If you are not getting certain nutrients adequately than your answer is to adjust your diet so that you get them.....not supplements

It's hard to get Vitamin D from food. You are supposed to get it from sunlight but in many places in Northern latitudes its dark all the time.

 

[PenguinPower]

It's hard to get Vitamin D from food. You are supposed to get it from sunlight but in many places in Northern latitudes its dark all the time.

Not true. Latitude does not hamper the ability to get adequate sun exposure. Also, eat fatty fish. One serving of salmon is twice the DV for Vitamin D.

 

[dainthomas]

Not true. Latitude does not hamper the ability to get adequate sun exposure. Also, eat fatty fish. One serving of salmon is twice the DV for Vitamin D.

That's weird since my doctor said it's quite common in western Oregon and Washington in the winter.

 

[PenguinPower]

That's weird since my doctor said it's quite common in western Oregon and Washington in the winter.

You can read through it here if you would like: link

Citations:

Wagner D, Hanwell HEC, Vieth R. An evaluation of automated methods for measurement of serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D. Clinical Biochemistry. 2009;42(15):1549–56.

Carter GD, Berry JL, Gunter E, Jones G, Jones JC, Makin HL, Sufi S, Wheeler MJ. Proficiency testing of 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25-OHD) assays. Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. 2010;121(1-2):176–9.

 

[Carson Dyle]

If you have a balanced diet, you probably don't need them.

I had some blood work done and my doctor said I had extremely low vitamin D, so she put me on a heavy supplement for five weeks, then recommended I take a multivitamin with vitamin D after that.

Maybe you should try leaving your coffin during the day and get out and get a little sunlight.

 

[dainthomas]

You can read through it here if you would like: link

Citations:

Wagner D, Hanwell HEC, Vieth R. An evaluation of automated methods for measurement of serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D. Clinical Biochemistry. 2009;42(15):1549–56.

Carter GD, Berry JL, Gunter E, Jones G, Jones JC, Makin HL, Sufi S, Wheeler MJ. Proficiency testing of 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25-OHD) assays. Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. 2010;121(1-2):176–9.

"When the U.S. data were “adjusted” to simulate conditions more consistent with winter months, at least in the more northern parts of the United States, mean serum 25OHD levels hovered around 40 nmol/L, consistent with an EAR intake."

My level was 10 nmol/L. The chances of me exceeding the recommended level with a 400IU/day supplement is pretty much nil. And it's far cheaper to spend $12 on a six month supply of multivitamins than to eat salmon every day. Not to mention all the mercury if you're eating farmed salmon.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Increased risk of cancer. No thanks. I'll just eat my vegetables, dairy, meats, fish. Way more enjoyable that swallowing a handful of pills, too.

A recent review of the last 20 years of literature on the subject, presented at the American Association for Cancer Research 2015 meeting, found an overall increased risk of cancer among vitamin users. Dr. Tim Byers presented the study, which echoes the result of a 2012 review that he and others published. He specifically refers to two famous studies showing an increased risk of cancer from vitamins.

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/vitamins-and-cancer-risk/

 

[OutHouse]

Not true. Latitude does not hamper the ability to get adequate sun exposure. Also, eat fatty fish. One serving of salmon is twice the DV for Vitamin D.

there is a valid argument on both sides.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Everyone seems to be an expert. I guess the fact that the majority of Doctors who not only recommend a multi vitamin they also take one are just amateurs.

 

[lxskllr]

Everyone seems to be an expert. I guess the fact that the majority of Doctors who not only recommend a multi vitamin they also take one are just amateurs.

Doctors are just Walmart cashiers that went to school. IOW, they're suseptable to the same fallacies anyone else is. If people were meant to eat concentrated multi-vitamins, they'd grow on trees.

 

[Chiropteran]

because its boring to have stir fry every night?

vitamins can provide some freedom

unless I eat spinach, I never seen to get enough iron. but I dont LOVE spinach, at all.

I've heard the best way to get iron is to simply cook with a cast iron pan

 

[Brainonska511]

Everyone seems to be an expert. I guess the fact that the majority of Doctors who not only recommend a multi vitamin they also take one are just amateurs.

Or they are just misinformed. They're not the ones generally doing the primary research.

The large body of accumulated evidence has important public health and clinical implications. Evidence is sufficient to advise against routine supplementation, and we should translate null and negative findings into action. The message is simple: Most supplements do not prevent chronic disease or death, their use is not justified, and they should be avoided. This message is especially true for the general population with no clear evidence of micronutrient deficiencies, who represent most supplement users in the United States and in other countries (9).

http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1789253

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/more-evidence-that-routine-multivitamin-use-should-be-avoided/

It reminds me a lot of the old cholesterol/eggs debate. Scientists at the time found that high blood cholesterol can lead to heart disease. So some people made some assumptions that high dietary cholesterol leads to high blood cholesterol. Turns out, that latter assumption was wrong when people finally did studies on how dietary cholesterol maps to blood cholesterol.

 

[highland145]

Doctors are just Walmart cashiers that went to school. IOW, they're suseptable to the same fallacies anyone else is. If people were meant to eat concentrated multi-vitamins, they'd grow on trees.

They're "practicing", you know.

I've heard the best way to get iron is to simply cook with a cast iron pan

Or piss the wife off.

 

[DrPizza]

But let's face facts, how many of us have a diet that good? Even people who stay... only have pizza once a week are probably missing something important.

Agreed. If people would just realize that they need to eat more pizza, they wouldn't need vitamins. And, they need to get variety in their pizza. Quit going for the same old cheese and pepperoni every night. Thinking about taking those stupid fish oil tablets? Bah. Have some anchovies on your pizza - high in omega-3. Need some vitamin C? Toss some pineapple on your pizza (not to mention, all those vitamins in your pizza sauce.) Make sure your dough is made from enriched flour. Yumm! A day's worth of B-12. Calcium in the cheese. Protein in the toppings. Pizza - not just junk food - it can be quite nutritious.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Everyone seems to be an expert. I guess the fact that the majority of Doctors who not only recommend a multi vitamin they also take one are just amateurs.

Amateurs on nutrition? For the most part, that's probably correct. I've seen comments from numerous doctors about how little training about they got in school about nutrition. I think you'd be surprised by how much outdated advice is dispensed by doctors.

 

[gururu2]

That's weird since my doctor said it's quite common in western Oregon and Washington in the winter.

Its one of the reasons they started supplementing vitamin D in milk (UW Madison discovery) on the east coast because people were indoors at least 4-6 months in the year and at risk of getting rickets.

Doctors regularly test for iron or D deficiency because, like it or not it happens. Maybe not vitamin C so much, since everything has it (natural, supplementary or preservative). B12 deficiency can occur with vegans not watching every molecule. Folic acid deficiencies result in way too many fetal neural tube defects. Calcium and magnesium are no brainers for women particularly near menopause. Targeted zinc does effect antiviral properties (I swear by Zicam). You wont guess you are missing something until somebody figures out why you've been miserable for years.

I can attest to the quality of the Nature Made brand. I was a quality control chemist back in the 90s for them and they had a very impressive operation. What you get is pretty much guaranteed to be in the dosage. The manufacturing and testing were exhaustively held to strict GMP and GLP standards. The quality of the raw materials was unquestionable.
They have a lot of products I don't think are helpful, but at least I wouldn't feel that I was getting less than I paid for.

 

[Auric]

You do know that your body is designed to handle that stress and adapts to lower the set point, right? I just go on longer runs.

Discussions here are so much different than in H&F...

There is an argument to be made for the benefits of fast walking plus sprints over running.

Not true. Latitude does not hamper the ability to get adequate sun exposure. Also, eat fatty fish. One serving of salmon is twice the DV for Vitamin D.

Omega-3 and D deficiencies are very common and the latter's old DV of 400 IU is insufficent. Current recommendations are in the low (official) to mid thousands (researchers).

https://ods.od.nih.gov/Research/VitaminD.aspx
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-929-VITAMIN D.aspx#vit_dosing

 

[John Connor]

You do know that your body is designed to handle that stress and adapts to lower the set point, right? I just go on longer runs.

Discussions here are so much different than in H&F...

My doctor and a spine doctor told me that I shouldn't run due to what I stated. Your wrong.

Edit- Forum now-it-alls FTW!

 

[ControlD]

My doctor and a spind doctor told me that I shouldn't run due to what I stated. Your wrong.

Well shit, it's solved then.

 

[Auric]

Amateurs on nutrition? For the most part, that's probably correct. I've seen comments from numerous doctors about how little training about they got in school about nutrition. I think you'd be surprised by how much outdated advice is dispensed by doctors.

Indeeed. As little as a single day dedicated to nutrition. 'Tis archaic.

 

[Carson Dyle]

My doctor and a spin doctor told me that I shouldn't run due to what I stated. Your wrong.

Yeah, but aren't you overweight and beset by health problems?

 

[highland145]

Yeah, but aren't you overweight and beset by health problems?

Sure?

 

[PenguinPower]

My doctor and a spin doctor told me that I shouldn't run due to what I stated. Your wrong.

Edit- Forum now-it-alls FTW!

You're*

And, certainly...if you're (see what I did there) overweight and out of shape, walking is going to be best. Always listen to your (proper usage again) physician. That being said, in healthy individuals, running is going to have a net positive in your overall health.

Oh, and Two Princes rocks.

 

[PenguinPower]

There is an argument to be made for the benefits of fast walking plus sprints over running.




Omega-3 and D deficiencies are very common and the latter's old DV of 400 IU is insufficent. Current recommendations are in the low (official) to mid thousands (researchers).

https://ods.od.nih.gov/Research/VitaminD.aspx
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-929-VITAMIN D.aspx#vit_dosing

Current recommendation is 600IU dependent on age. Where are you getting in the K's?