"Vitamins = expensive urine" not true?

[John Connor]

Well, they all told me running puts pressure on your joints, etc.

I've been meaning to buy a badge on a police equipment website that reads Grammar police. Thing will set me back about $50 but would be awesome.

 

[highland145]

Well, they all told me running puts pressure on your joints, etc.

I've been meaning to buy a badge on a police equipment website that reads Grammar police. Thing will set me back about $50 but would be awesome.

Yes
No
No

Just no.



No correlation between running and bad knees.

 

[WelshBloke]

Well, they all told me running puts pressure on your joints, etc.

I've been meaning to buy a badge on a police equipment website that reads Grammar police. Thing will set me back about $50 but would be awesome.

You could buy a dictionary for less.

 

[highland145]

You could buy a dictionary for less.

Google for free.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Amateurs on nutrition? For the most part, that's probably correct. I've seen comments from numerous doctors about how little training about they got in school about nutrition. I think you'd be surprised by how much outdated advice is dispensed by doctors.

Or they are just misinformed. They're not the ones generally doing the primary research.


http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1789253

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/more-evidence-that-routine-multivitamin-use-should-be-avoided/

It reminds me a lot of the old cholesterol/eggs debate. Scientists at the time found that high blood cholesterol can lead to heart disease. So some people made some assumptions that high dietary cholesterol leads to high blood cholesterol. Turns out, that latter assumption was wrong when people finally did studies on how dietary cholesterol maps to blood cholesterol.

Doctors are just Walmart cashiers that went to school. IOW, they're suseptable to the same fallacies anyone else is. If people were meant to eat concentrated multi-vitamins, they'd grow on trees.

Guys by all your regular posts I know you are all smart people, you do realize you sound like climate change deniers right? They too scour the internet to find a handful of people that support a position that the majority of people who are educated on the subject disagree with.
I see no harm in a daily multi vitamin.

 

[Brainonska511]

Guys by all your regular posts I know you are all smart people, you do realize you sound like climate change deniers right? They too scour the internet to find a handful of people that support a position that the majority of people who are educated on the subject disagree with.
I see no harm in a daily multi vitamin.

I simply believe in science-based medicine. The evidence suggests that there is really no benefit to normal people taking a multivitamin. It's a waste of money.

Plus, the multi-billion dollar supplements industry is largely unregulated and built on piles and piles of bs marketing with little to no evidence to support their claimed health benefits.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Guys by all your regular posts I know you are all smart people, you do realize you sound like climate change deniers right? They too scour the internet to find a handful of people that support a position that the majority of people who are educated on the subject disagree with.
I see no harm in a daily multi vitamin.

And to us, you sound like one of those crazies who think that a diet of only garlic, cassava, and green tea will prevent cancer and cure polio.

No harm done, mostly, but with very little scientific backing.

 

[Captante]

I take a multi-vit, 5000 iu's of D3 and a B12 daily. (D & B on the advice of my doc)

Of every supplement I've tried, D is the only thing that has ever made a real and noticeable difference. Since a few weeks after I started taking it I'm in a better mood and have more energy.

 

[Red Squirrel]

They can help supplement any nutrients you're missing. It's a pretty big science to try to come up with a big enough variety of meals that give you every single nutrient that you need, so getting the more important ones like vitamin C, omega 3, and vitamin D is not a bad idea. (I'm probably missing some but those are the 3 I take) But if I eat a food that has a lot of one then I don't bother taking the supplement too. Like if I eat fish I wont take omega 3 as I got it through my meal. Though meals alone are often not enough on their own. I also don't tend to take them every single day, mostly because I forget.

Part of the issue though is that you have to trust that you're even getting the vitamin you think you're getting. I heard they can pretty much lie on the packages.

 

[stlc8tr]

I simply believe in science-based medicine. The evidence suggests that there is really no benefit to normal people taking a multivitamin. It's a waste of money.

Plus, the multi-billion dollar supplements industry is largely unregulated and built on piles and piles of bs marketing with little to no evidence to support their claimed health benefits.

You're probably right but at $0.024 for each multi-vitamin ($12 for 500), it's not exactly a large waste of money.

 

[Triumph]

Matt Damon survived a year on Mars with nothing but potatoes and vitamin supplements. Good enough for me!

 

[pmv]

Maybe you should try leaving your coffin during the day and get out and get a little sunlight.

That's what puzzled me. My D levels came out far below 'deficient' (twice) after a summer that I spent pretty much entirely out doors all day every day.

I keep hearing medics insisting that this far north (the UK being as far north as Canada, with just the gulf stream making us warmer) we probably don't get enough vitamin D. And there seems to be some evidence (contested, of course) that lack of D is a contributory factor to a lot of different health problems, not just rickets.

Then other medics argue with them and talk about the risk of skin cancer from too much sun. But, as skin-cancer rates have increased massively here, while incident sun has not, I'm deeply suspicious that skin-cancer increases are really about people using sun-beds excessively [and flying off to southern countries for holidays and just lying on beaches all day], and have nothing to do with going outdoors here without using sunscreen. This isn't Australia.

So I take vitamin D supplements. I personally don't think others are necessary.

 

[Zee]

ive had a blood test where my vit D was low (makes sense, im in the shade/shadows all the time.

I took vitamin d. now my levels are fine.

fuck you expensive urine

 

[IronWing]

Matt Damon survived a year on Mars with nothing but potatoes and vitamin supplements. Good enough for me!

Imagine going all the way to Mars and coming back the Earth only to find that you are still Matt Damon.

 

[dainthomas]

You're probably right but at $0.024 for each multi-vitamin ($12 for 500), it's not exactly a large waste of money.

Lol, this.

 

[Auric]

Current recommendation is 600IU dependent on age. Where are you getting in the K's?

See the WebMD dosing tab.

Also Rhonda Patrick vids including:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc815fQn8iY

 

[PenguinPower]

See the WebMD dosing tab.

Also Rhonda Patrick vids including:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc815fQn8iY

Yeah...it says the same thing that I said for normal population. So again, where are you getting in the K's?

 

[who?]

Sunscreen blocks vitamin D absorption from the sunlight.
Excess fat soluble vitamins such as vitamin A build up in fatty tissue like the brain and can cause TERRIBLE headaches.

 

[MongGrel]

Imagine going all the way to Mars and coming back the Earth only to find that you are still Matt Damon.

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with being Matt Damon.

()

 

[OverVolt]

B-vitamins go straight through.

Vitamin D3 is the good stuff.

B-12 is a bit a stimulant I guess.

Vitamin A supplements seem risky since you can OD. Eat carrots or something.

Vitamin E just cook with fresh vegetable oil, soybean, corn, etc.

Just remember what vitamins are biologically. They are cofactors for enzymes. The enzymes need the vitamins to function.


It bugs me that they put Boron and Copper and other dumb shit in what should be a vitamin.

 

[tortillasoup]

I've always believed this and have skipped taking supplements based on this belief that vitamins are just gimmicks and that food fulfills our nutritional needs... I recently countered my doc's suggestion to start taking a supplement by saying that very line, which my doc countered with "malarky, vitamins can play an important role if you're not getting certain nutrients adequately in your diet."

I saw the wisdom of his words and got a one a day - my point is though, why is this saying so popular and given off as wisdom? It's just old world thinking, nutrients in your urine imply over abundance, and that's better than not enough right?

Here is the way I look at it. If there isn't anything wrong, you probably shouldn't bother taking them. However, when I found I was experiencing problems indicative of a vitamin deficiency such as cracked skin between the toes, cracked lips (b vitamins), bitch tits, brittle nails, hair falling out, (Zinc, Magnesium/Vitamin D3 deficiency), nerve shocks/muscle twitching (B12 deficiency), taking a multivitamin, especially one made from actual food sources helped a lot.


http://bodyecology.com/articles/fight-vitamin-b-deficiency-beautify-skin.php

 

[edro]

However, when I found I was experiencing problems indicative of a vitamin deficiency...bitch tits...taking a multivitamin...helped a lot.

Ah yes, the magic weight loss pill.

 

[OverVolt]

That's what puzzled me. My D levels came out far below 'deficient' (twice) after a summer that I spent pretty much entirely out doors all day every day.

I keep hearing medics insisting that this far north (the UK being as far north as Canada, with just the gulf stream making us warmer) we probably don't get enough vitamin D. And there seems to be some evidence (contested, of course) that lack of D is a contributory factor to a lot of different health problems, not just rickets.

Then other medics argue with them and talk about the risk of skin cancer from too much sun. But, as skin-cancer rates have increased massively here, while incident sun has not, I'm deeply suspicious that skin-cancer increases are really about people using sun-beds excessively [and flying off to southern countries for holidays and just lying on beaches all day], and have nothing to do with going outdoors here without using sunscreen. This isn't Australia.

So I take vitamin D supplements. I personally don't think others are necessary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D

Was literally just reading the article on Vitamin D and thought it was interesting that it varies by geography so much in termsof what is normal.

 

[tortillasoup]

Ah yes, the magic weight loss pill.

Zinc deficiency can cause low testosterone production which can mean an increase in the ratio of estrogen to testosterone. I'd rather have fat on my gut than on my tits and ass.

 

[OverVolt]

I simply believe in science-based medicine. The evidence suggests that there is really no benefit to normal people taking a multivitamin. It's a waste of money.

Plus, the multi-billion dollar supplements industry is largely unregulated and built on piles and piles of bs marketing with little to no evidence to support their claimed health benefits.

Because multivitamins skimp on the good vitamins. B-12, D3, A, E, folic acid, K, etc.

Multivitamins try and be a safe as possible for as many people as possible so that they never cause problems. Really no one multivitamin fits all. If you don't eat enough vegetables you need a wee bit of folic acid, like 200mcg, and probably a wee bit of vitamin K. Its a misnomer that you can skip vegetables and take a multivitamin and it is probably why multivitamins are inversely correlated with health. They are probably positively correlated with not eating hardly any vegetables. Folic acid is converted to the active form of folate by an enzyme and it is a rate limited process and thats why you should never exceed 400mcg of folic acid for long periods of time because folic acid will build up and never get converted to folate.

Things that are bad in current diets are like the fact that folate in food breaks down easily from processing, heat, and boiling. So you really only get alot from raw vegetables. The best you can do is probably freshly frozen, as folate is also lost in canning. Nobody really knows this stuff IMO. Just look at what people are eating and all the health problems everyone has. Sometimes I get flak like "well everybody eats XYZ so its fine" and I usually counter "Well 1/3 of everybody will have diabetes and 1/2 of everybody is obese so I'll just do me thanks"